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Post by dazz on Feb 8, 2019 11:56:38 GMT
I didn't mind Waller in Smallville, she was a villain in a sense because she was a foe to the heroes but I don't think they made her outright villainous, she felt more like one would expect a at all cost cia type to behave, ends justify the means and all that, which is all Waller needs to be, if she is best suited teaming with the heroes to do something for the "greater good" she will if it's not she wont, but I don't feel she should be as self serving as she was in the live action movie. Thing with Croc is one of those things where I don't care tbh, I don't give a chickens quiff how big he is in the comics or anything, in animated stuff or the games make him huge it doesn't really matter, he looks no less real than anything else in them, but in live action unless they are going to spend Thanos or hulk level time and money into making the character look realistic I would rather he not be a CGI creation, though they could compromise and hire some bigger dude to play him, but then do you run the risk of a crappy performance? Really you don't need someone huge to sell the character, you just need the right actor, story and director, said it before but Jackman isn't ideal for Wolverine if you do a comparison to the character and actor in general but Jackman made you believe he was Wolverine and that's all that really matters imo. Yeah. I agree with you about Amanda Waller in ‘Smallville’ but she didn’t do anything in Season Nine when Zod and all the other Kandorians took over in the dystopian future Lois saw but to be fair a lot of the other superheroes didn’t do anything to stop it which as much as I liked Season Nine was one of my main problems with that season and it made no sense why Supergirl didn’t come back to help Clark fight Zod and even up the odds ‘cause Kara spent more years on Krypton than Clark and would have probably known a lot of the Kandorians with Zod and if she told them what Zod turned out to be like in the future they might have listened to her and turned on him earlier but perhaps that was the point of Supergirl not being in it ‘cause it would have made it too easy for Clark to beat Zod.
Amanda Waller could have formed a ‘Suicide Squad’ type of team to go against Zod but instead they had a small team with the Green Arrow, Chloe and some others as the only ones left to stand up and fight against Zod while Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Aquaman, Black Canary, Hawkman, Stargirl etc weren’t anywhere to be seen and they could have taken them on. I think in Amanda’s case she was a coward and didn’t want to do anything in case she was killed but what was the whole thing with her and Checkmate and Martha turning out to be the Red Queen? I don’t remember ‘Checkmate’ being in many comic books but I looked into them and there were a lot of members they didn’t get for the show and Harvey Bullock, Harry Stein, Arsenal, Black Thorn, Peacemaker, Vigilante and Vixen were some of them along with Deathstroke and Deadshot who appeared separately in Season 10. I really liked the ‘JSA’ episode but it seems Checkmate was kinda wasted.
The thing with Killer Croc is he is meant to be a half human/ half crocodile and I want to see him look more crocodile like and scarier and it is not so much the height aspect but the fact he is supposed to become more like a crocodile and should look terrifying. There was an episode of ‘The Lost Tapes’ a few years ago where they were in New Orleans and there was an Urban Legend of a creature which was half human and half crocodile and it looked far more like Killer Croc than what we got in ‘Suicide Squad’ and I think that Urban Legend might have been the inspiration for Killer Croc and if a TV show like that on a much smaller budget can pull off having a scary looking half human half crocodile then I think the movies should have been able to too. He is supposed to look like a monster and want to tear people to shreds and eat them and his only humanity is he likes children and has befriended 2 kids who got lost in the sewers and helped Batman and Catwoman get them back to their parents.
I think Killer Croc would be best used in live action as a Jason Vorhees type of character who kills and eats a heap of people throughout the movie until Batman fights him at the end.
Yeah the Kandorians should have had a trophy wall of something like Dahrk had in the LOT altered reality where trophies of the heroes who died fighting are hung up, it's an easy way to allude to the heroes we know off and why they aren't around in this moment, simple and effective.
Thing about Croc also is what they are going for with him, if they wanted him to be a horror character then yeah you are right they should have made him scarier, but then they weren't going for an R rating they wanted PG-13 which means less horror, less cannibalism and stuff, but then why they used him I don't know, he literally serves no purpose for 99% of the film his only really addition he provides is he's a better swimmer than the others but even then the normal humans seem to keep up with him alright so it's like why use him?
Croc I think would be better suited until WB/DC decide to grow a set and do an R rated Batman have Croc be just a add on to a film, during the film have Batman get reports on people going missing which he will deal with once he finishes up with the main story, maybe the film opens with him investigating this, then he gets called away then in the mid credit and post credit scene you pay it off with Batman finding Croc's lair and we cut just as Croc attacks, then the post credit features Batman overseeing Croc getting locked up, with his suit all fucked up and dirty, that way you can nod to Croc's history of being a monster, tease this tension of a show down and show Batman being the victor without needing to spend $10's of millions of effects or other stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 11:52:54 GMT
Yeah. I agree with you about Amanda Waller in ‘Smallville’ but she didn’t do anything in Season Nine when Zod and all the other Kandorians took over in the dystopian future Lois saw but to be fair a lot of the other superheroes didn’t do anything to stop it which as much as I liked Season Nine was one of my main problems with that season and it made no sense why Supergirl didn’t come back to help Clark fight Zod and even up the odds ‘cause Kara spent more years on Krypton than Clark and would have probably known a lot of the Kandorians with Zod and if she told them what Zod turned out to be like in the future they might have listened to her and turned on him earlier but perhaps that was the point of Supergirl not being in it ‘cause it would have made it too easy for Clark to beat Zod.
Amanda Waller could have formed a ‘Suicide Squad’ type of team to go against Zod but instead they had a small team with the Green Arrow, Chloe and some others as the only ones left to stand up and fight against Zod while Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Aquaman, Black Canary, Hawkman, Stargirl etc weren’t anywhere to be seen and they could have taken them on. I think in Amanda’s case she was a coward and didn’t want to do anything in case she was killed but what was the whole thing with her and Checkmate and Martha turning out to be the Red Queen? I don’t remember ‘Checkmate’ being in many comic books but I looked into them and there were a lot of members they didn’t get for the show and Harvey Bullock, Harry Stein, Arsenal, Black Thorn, Peacemaker, Vigilante and Vixen were some of them along with Deathstroke and Deadshot who appeared separately in Season 10. I really liked the ‘JSA’ episode but it seems Checkmate was kinda wasted.
The thing with Killer Croc is he is meant to be a half human/ half crocodile and I want to see him look more crocodile like and scarier and it is not so much the height aspect but the fact he is supposed to become more like a crocodile and should look terrifying. There was an episode of ‘The Lost Tapes’ a few years ago where they were in New Orleans and there was an Urban Legend of a creature which was half human and half crocodile and it looked far more like Killer Croc than what we got in ‘Suicide Squad’ and I think that Urban Legend might have been the inspiration for Killer Croc and if a TV show like that on a much smaller budget can pull off having a scary looking half human half crocodile then I think the movies should have been able to too. He is supposed to look like a monster and want to tear people to shreds and eat them and his only humanity is he likes children and has befriended 2 kids who got lost in the sewers and helped Batman and Catwoman get them back to their parents.
I think Killer Croc would be best used in live action as a Jason Vorhees type of character who kills and eats a heap of people throughout the movie until Batman fights him at the end.
Yeah the Kandorians should have had a trophy wall of something like Dahrk had in the LOT altered reality where trophies of the heroes who died fighting are hung up, it's an easy way to allude to the heroes we know off and why they aren't around in this moment, simple and effective.
Thing about Croc also is what they are going for with him, if they wanted him to be a horror character then yeah you are right they should have made him scarier, but then they weren't going for an R rating they wanted PG-13 which means less horror, less cannibalism and stuff, but then why they used him I don't know, he literally serves no purpose for 99% of the film his only really addition he provides is he's a better swimmer than the others but even then the normal humans seem to keep up with him alright so it's like why use him?
Croc I think would be better suited until WB/DC decide to grow a set and do an R rated Batman have Croc be just a add on to a film, during the film have Batman get reports on people going missing which he will deal with once he finishes up with the main story, maybe the film opens with him investigating this, then he gets called away then in the mid credit and post credit scene you pay it off with Batman finding Croc's lair and we cut just as Croc attacks, then the post credit features Batman overseeing Croc getting locked up, with his suit all fucked up and dirty, that way you can nod to Croc's history of being a monster, tease this tension of a show down and show Batman being the victor without needing to spend $10's of millions of effects or other stuff.
I think that would have been a good way to explain it 'cause it just looked silly that the other superheroes were nowhere to be seen when they needed them the most and they could have had a scene in the future where they showed Martian Manhunter try to fight Zod and looked like he was going to beat him only to be outnumbered by the other Kandorians. Other than that Season 9 is still one of my favourite series and I know a few people who stopped watching 'Smallville' after Season 7 who watched the seasons they missed later and really liked Season 9 and I think it was the most underrated season of the show. The 'Arrowverse' has the same problem answering where some superheroes are when they are under attack and the future flashes in this season have become the biggest example of it and it is like all the other superheroes are dead in the future. With Huntress returning though they might have some other heroes come back too like Ragman and Katana and if they could use Katana right she could be an interesting season regular. I remember you said you liked the 'Arrowverse's' version more than the one we got in 'Suicide Squad' and I think she was better too but has been underused and they said the block is off her now and with Will Smith revealing he is not coming back for 'Suicide Squad 2' the block should be off Deadshot.
I have always thought the best way to handle Killer Croc in live action would be to start him off as a human and in one of his comic book origins he was a highly feared Mob Boss called Waylon Jones who had a rare skin condition that made him have scales on his skin and as he got older it got worse and he had to cover it up wearing lots of extra clothes like gloves and eventually his anger got out of control and he started having the craving for human flesh and would eat the people who failed him. That lead to him transforming into a half human/ half crocodile who was over 10 feet tall and was close to unstoppable. I think if they played that out in a Batman movie and had Batman go face to face with Killer Croc at the start in a more human form and then his fully transformed form at the end when he is eating people and destroying things it would work for sure but yeah, it would have to be R rated 'cause he is supposed to eat people and tear people's flesh apart. They could have the Scarecrow in the movie too and have Killer Croc try to eat him near the end disfiguring his face.
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Post by dazz on Feb 28, 2019 12:11:58 GMT
Yeah the Kandorians should have had a trophy wall of something like Dahrk had in the LOT altered reality where trophies of the heroes who died fighting are hung up, it's an easy way to allude to the heroes we know off and why they aren't around in this moment, simple and effective.
Thing about Croc also is what they are going for with him, if they wanted him to be a horror character then yeah you are right they should have made him scarier, but then they weren't going for an R rating they wanted PG-13 which means less horror, less cannibalism and stuff, but then why they used him I don't know, he literally serves no purpose for 99% of the film his only really addition he provides is he's a better swimmer than the others but even then the normal humans seem to keep up with him alright so it's like why use him?
Croc I think would be better suited until WB/DC decide to grow a set and do an R rated Batman have Croc be just a add on to a film, during the film have Batman get reports on people going missing which he will deal with once he finishes up with the main story, maybe the film opens with him investigating this, then he gets called away then in the mid credit and post credit scene you pay it off with Batman finding Croc's lair and we cut just as Croc attacks, then the post credit features Batman overseeing Croc getting locked up, with his suit all fucked up and dirty, that way you can nod to Croc's history of being a monster, tease this tension of a show down and show Batman being the victor without needing to spend $10's of millions of effects or other stuff.
I think that would have been a good way to explain it 'cause it just looked silly that the other superheroes were nowhere to be seen when they needed them the most and they could have had a scene in the future where they showed Martian Manhunter try to fight Zod and looked like he was going to beat him only to be outnumbered by the other Kandorians. Other than that Season 9 is still one of my favourite series and I know a few people who stopped watching 'Smallville' after Season 7 who watched the seasons they missed later and really liked Season 9 and I think it was the most underrated season of the show. The 'Arrowverse' has the same problem answering where some superheroes are when they are under attack and the future flashes in this season have become the biggest example of it and it is like all the other superheroes are dead in the future. With Huntress returning though they might have some other heroes come back too like Ragman and Katana and if they could use Katana right she could be an interesting season regular. I remember you said you liked the 'Arrowverse's' version more than the one we got in 'Suicide Squad' and I think she was better too but has been underused and they said the block is off her now and with Will Smith revealing he is not coming back for 'Suicide Squad 2' the block should be off Deadshot.
I have always thought the best way to handle Killer Croc in live action would be to start him off as a human and in one of his comic book origins he was a highly feared Mob Boss called Waylon Jones who had a rare skin condition that made him have scales on his skin and as he got older it got worse and he had to cover it up wearing lots of extra clothes like gloves and eventually his anger got out of control and he started having the craving for human flesh and would eat the people who failed him. That lead to him transforming into a half human/ half crocodile who was over 10 feet tall and was close to unstoppable. I think if they played that out in a Batman movie and had Batman go face to face with Killer Croc at the start in a more human form and then his fully transformed form at the end when he is eating people and destroying things it would work for sure but yeah, it would have to be R rated 'cause he is supposed to eat people and tear people's flesh apart. They could have the Scarecrow in the movie too and have Killer Croc try to eat him near the end disfiguring his face.
That would be interesting but the two things with that is like you said that would need to be an R rating, which they wont do because an R rating means less of a potential audience, and the other thing is that's not a mass appeal story, the cannibal part would cost them more viewers than the R rating would, and Batman isn't a mid budget brand, nor do they want middle tier box office returns, you know they want every Batman film to be whiffing on the scent or bathing in the pools of that billion dollar region these days.
Stuff like that is where we should be content in getting it in the animated films, and maybe some day getting it in one of the live action shows, in a live action film however unless it was a DC Online exclusive or something similar type of movie I don't see it happening.
That's why I think the idea I said is the best and most true extent we could get of that character on the big screen by making him a bonus for fans within another story, unless DC decide ok f it Suicide Squad is going to get an R rating and use him more like that in that film, but in a Batman movie, never say never but that's astronomically unlikely to happen imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 12:42:10 GMT
I think that would have been a good way to explain it 'cause it just looked silly that the other superheroes were nowhere to be seen when they needed them the most and they could have had a scene in the future where they showed Martian Manhunter try to fight Zod and looked like he was going to beat him only to be outnumbered by the other Kandorians. Other than that Season 9 is still one of my favourite series and I know a few people who stopped watching 'Smallville' after Season 7 who watched the seasons they missed later and really liked Season 9 and I think it was the most underrated season of the show. The 'Arrowverse' has the same problem answering where some superheroes are when they are under attack and the future flashes in this season have become the biggest example of it and it is like all the other superheroes are dead in the future. With Huntress returning though they might have some other heroes come back too like Ragman and Katana and if they could use Katana right she could be an interesting season regular. I remember you said you liked the 'Arrowverse's' version more than the one we got in 'Suicide Squad' and I think she was better too but has been underused and they said the block is off her now and with Will Smith revealing he is not coming back for 'Suicide Squad 2' the block should be off Deadshot.
I have always thought the best way to handle Killer Croc in live action would be to start him off as a human and in one of his comic book origins he was a highly feared Mob Boss called Waylon Jones who had a rare skin condition that made him have scales on his skin and as he got older it got worse and he had to cover it up wearing lots of extra clothes like gloves and eventually his anger got out of control and he started having the craving for human flesh and would eat the people who failed him. That lead to him transforming into a half human/ half crocodile who was over 10 feet tall and was close to unstoppable. I think if they played that out in a Batman movie and had Batman go face to face with Killer Croc at the start in a more human form and then his fully transformed form at the end when he is eating people and destroying things it would work for sure but yeah, it would have to be R rated 'cause he is supposed to eat people and tear people's flesh apart. They could have the Scarecrow in the movie too and have Killer Croc try to eat him near the end disfiguring his face.
That would be interesting but the two things with that is like you said that would need to be an R rating, which they wont do because an R rating means less of a potential audience, and the other thing is that's not a mass appeal story, the cannibal part would cost them more viewers than the R rating would, and Batman isn't a mid budget brand, nor do they want middle tier box office returns, you know they want every Batman film to be whiffing on the scent or bathing in the pools of that billion dollar region these days.
Stuff like that is where we should be content in getting it in the animated films, and maybe some day getting it in one of the live action shows, in a live action film however unless it was a DC Online exclusive or something similar type of movie I don't see it happening.
That's why I think the idea I said is the best and most true extent we could get of that character on the big screen by making him a bonus for fans within another story, unless DC decide ok f it Suicide Squad is going to get an R rating and use him more like that in that film, but in a Batman movie, never say never but that's astronomically unlikely to happen imo.
Yeah. You are right there and I think that is one of the main problems I have with these movies 'cause they are far too concerned with how many seats they will fill and how much money they will make at the Box Office than making a proper adaption that is true to the 'Batman' comic books which many longtime comic book fans have been wanting. 'Batman' has a lot of Horror characters and Horror stories and a lot of fans I know have been waiting years to see them use those in the movies and have Batman go up against the likes of Killer Croc, Clayface, Solomon Grundy, Man Bat and a proper huge Bane with the venom. Funny enough it was Christopher Nolan who said he later regretted making his movies too realistic 'cause he wanted to use Killer Croc and before we got 'Batman Begins' they were planning on making a 'Batman' movie with many of his Horror villains too so they must have thought they could have worked it and I think if they toned down the blood and gore they could still use Killer Croc and keep him scary, huge and a massive threat who beats the crap out of Batman the first time they go face to facee instead of the crappy version we got in 'Suicide Squad.' It will be interesting to see what villains Matt Reeves uses in 'The Batman' 'cause various sites have reported there will be multiple villains in the movies.
Have you seen they have a new lineup for 'Suicide Squad' and Killer Croc is not in it? They have confirmed it is a complete reboot and is not going to be called 'Suicide Squad 2' (as mentioned in the article below) and I am interested in seeing Ratcatcher and am surprised the character wasn't in 'Gotham' and they should add Great White Shark and Killer Moth. James Gunn's Suicide Squad Movie Is A "Total Reboot," Not Called Suicide Squad 2www.gamespot.com/articles/james-gunns-suicide-squad-movie-is-a-total-reboot-/1100-6465626/
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Post by dazz on Mar 20, 2019 17:51:26 GMT
That would be interesting but the two things with that is like you said that would need to be an R rating, which they wont do because an R rating means less of a potential audience, and the other thing is that's not a mass appeal story, the cannibal part would cost them more viewers than the R rating would, and Batman isn't a mid budget brand, nor do they want middle tier box office returns, you know they want every Batman film to be whiffing on the scent or bathing in the pools of that billion dollar region these days.
Stuff like that is where we should be content in getting it in the animated films, and maybe some day getting it in one of the live action shows, in a live action film however unless it was a DC Online exclusive or something similar type of movie I don't see it happening.
That's why I think the idea I said is the best and most true extent we could get of that character on the big screen by making him a bonus for fans within another story, unless DC decide ok f it Suicide Squad is going to get an R rating and use him more like that in that film, but in a Batman movie, never say never but that's astronomically unlikely to happen imo.
Yeah. You are right there and I think that is one of the main problems I have with these movies 'cause they are far too concerned with how many seats they will fill and how much money they will make at the Box Office than making a proper adaption that is true to the 'Batman' comic books which many longtime comic book fans have been wanting. 'Batman' has a lot of Horror characters and Horror stories and a lot of fans I know have been waiting years to see them use those in the movies and have Batman go up against the likes of Killer Croc, Clayface, Solomon Grundy, Man Bat and a proper huge Bane with the venom. Funny enough it was Christopher Nolan who said he later regretted making his movies too realistic 'cause he wanted to use Killer Croc and before we got 'Batman Begins' they were planning on making a 'Batman' movie with many of his Horror villains too so they must have thought they could have worked it and I think if they toned down the blood and gore they could still use Killer Croc and keep him scary, huge and a massive threat who beats the crap out of Batman the first time they go face to facee instead of the crappy version we got in 'Suicide Squad.' It will be interesting to see what villains Matt Reeves uses in 'The Batman' 'cause various sites have reported there will be multiple villains in the movies.
Have you seen they have a new lineup for 'Suicide Squad' and Killer Croc is not in it? They have confirmed it is a complete reboot and is not going to be called 'Suicide Squad 2' (as mentioned in the article below) and I am interested in seeing Ratcatcher and am surprised the character wasn't in 'Gotham' and they should add Great White Shark and Killer Moth. James Gunn's Suicide Squad Movie Is A "Total Reboot," Not Called Suicide Squad 2www.gamespot.com/articles/james-gunns-suicide-squad-movie-is-a-total-reboot-/1100-6465626/ Thing is I bet if they did a $50m R rated Batman movie it could make $500m easy, it would be more of a ROI but they just wont do that, but then that's their choice, so long as we do get these stories some how is all I want really, so if they could or would do it on a show or in a straight to streaming movie, so long as it looks good I don't care, I don't need all the bells and whistles and Batman is a character if you strip away a lot of the wank around him they built up over the last 35 years and keep it a gritty detective story you can do a great Batman story cheap, it's just all the over the top shit they do which cost a fortune.
I thought Suicide Squad 2 was going to have Killer Shark in it, oh well I am not to fussed they still have Margo as Harley and anytime you add Idris Elba to a project my interest is peaked naturally, a lot of people liked Smith in the role I thought he was fine, still he was Will Smith as Deadshot, Idris I think is going to be Deadshot so that's a win in my book, I hope Boomerang is back I actually liked him in the first one, also Katana she didn't do much but she was hot bring her back and give her more to do I say, but glad Flagg & Enchantress are gone, that fucking shit was cringe inducing in SS1.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 21, 2019 16:39:52 GMT
I think Warner Bros is scared of doing an R rated Batman movie. Remember the outrage from parents about Batman Returns? They don't want to have that happen again.
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Post by dazz on Mar 21, 2019 17:46:13 GMT
I think Warner Bros is scared of doing an R rated Batman movie. Remember the outrage from parents about Batman Returns? They don't want to have that happen again. Because they still marketed it for kids, and a lot of that shit was fucked up, but that's a fair point DC/WB make so much off of the merch generated specifically from these films that yeah even if they could make and market a R rated Batman film and it grossed $500m+ making it a x5 ROI they probably make less doing that then they would a $250m Prod & Marketing Batman film that grossed $1B due to toy sales, merch tie ins and everything else, I mean that's the thing with Batman 89 they made twice as much off of the merch for that movie than they did the box office, and WB don't have to cut in their investors on that merch money I think.
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Yeah. You are right there and I think that is one of the main problems I have with these movies 'cause they are far too concerned with how many seats they will fill and how much money they will make at the Box Office than making a proper adaption that is true to the 'Batman' comic books which many longtime comic book fans have been wanting. 'Batman' has a lot of Horror characters and Horror stories and a lot of fans I know have been waiting years to see them use those in the movies and have Batman go up against the likes of Killer Croc, Clayface, Solomon Grundy, Man Bat and a proper huge Bane with the venom. Funny enough it was Christopher Nolan who said he later regretted making his movies too realistic 'cause he wanted to use Killer Croc and before we got 'Batman Begins' they were planning on making a 'Batman' movie with many of his Horror villains too so they must have thought they could have worked it and I think if they toned down the blood and gore they could still use Killer Croc and keep him scary, huge and a massive threat who beats the crap out of Batman the first time they go face to facee instead of the crappy version we got in 'Suicide Squad.' It will be interesting to see what villains Matt Reeves uses in 'The Batman' 'cause various sites have reported there will be multiple villains in the movies.
Have you seen they have a new lineup for 'Suicide Squad' and Killer Croc is not in it? They have confirmed it is a complete reboot and is not going to be called 'Suicide Squad 2' (as mentioned in the article below) and I am interested in seeing Ratcatcher and am surprised the character wasn't in 'Gotham' and they should add Great White Shark and Killer Moth. James Gunn's Suicide Squad Movie Is A "Total Reboot," Not Called Suicide Squad 2www.gamespot.com/articles/james-gunns-suicide-squad-movie-is-a-total-reboot-/1100-6465626/ Thing is I bet if they did a $50m R rated Batman movie it could make $500m easy, it would be more of a ROI but they just wont do that, but then that's their choice, so long as we do get these stories some how is all I want really, so if they could or would do it on a show or in a straight to streaming movie, so long as it looks good I don't care, I don't need all the bells and whistles and Batman is a character if you strip away a lot of the wank around him they built up over the last 35 years and keep it a gritty detective story you can do a great Batman story cheap, it's just all the over the top shit they do which cost a fortune.
I thought Suicide Squad 2 was going to have Killer Shark in it, oh well I am not to fussed they still have Margo as Harley and anytime you add Idris Elba to a project my interest is peaked naturally, a lot of people liked Smith in the role I thought he was fine, still he was Will Smith as Deadshot, Idris I think is going to be Deadshot so that's a win in my book, I hope Boomerang is back I actually liked him in the first one, also Katana she didn't do much but she was hot bring her back and give her more to do I say, but glad Flagg & Enchantress are gone, that fucking shit was cringe inducing in SS1.
I think there is no doubt an R rated 'Batman' movie could be successful and I don't know what ratings the Nolan movies had in America but I thought one of them had an R rating here in Australia and 'The Dark Knight' was a fairly violent movie and was successful so having a lot of violence in a 'Batman' movie shouldn't be a problem. I would just rather see them explore more of Batman's Horror roots on screen which they were planning on doing at one point and would love to see Clayface in his giant clay monster form and Batman taking on a huge 13 foot tall zombie in the form of Solomon Grundy. That would be fun to see and I am disappointed Paul Dini's 'Arkham Asylum' never got made into a movie even though it was probably better if got made into a video game 'cause they wouldn't have been able to fit all of it into a movie but we would have got Batman facing the huge Titan monsters with their bones sticking out of their bodies and they were very gruesome looking creatures that would look even more terrifying in live action form. I think Warner Bros fears alienating their younger audience now though which is disappointing since they have so many Horror villains. They should give Killer Croc and Solomon Grundy to New Line Cinema and let them make Horror movies of them.
The main things I would like to see done with the 'Batman' movies is having Batman as the World's Greatest Detective (not a vigilante), having the Bat Family at the front and centre and having Batman portrayed as a proper fighter just like in the comic books and it sounds like we are going to be seeing some of that going forward with Matt Reeves saying he wants to explore the Detective aspects in the movie and 'The Batman' is going to have appearances from one or two other Bat Family characters. King Shark (not Killer Croc ) is said to be in 'Suicide Squad 2' but I am not sure if it is one hundred percent confirmed. What apparently is though is Idris isn't playing Deadshot and three of the characters from the first movie are returning and one of them is Viola Davis. I think Deadshot is going to be moved to the 'Secret Six' TV Show.
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Post by dazz on Apr 14, 2019 14:29:37 GMT
Thing is I bet if they did a $50m R rated Batman movie it could make $500m easy, it would be more of a ROI but they just wont do that, but then that's their choice, so long as we do get these stories some how is all I want really, so if they could or would do it on a show or in a straight to streaming movie, so long as it looks good I don't care, I don't need all the bells and whistles and Batman is a character if you strip away a lot of the wank around him they built up over the last 35 years and keep it a gritty detective story you can do a great Batman story cheap, it's just all the over the top shit they do which cost a fortune.
I thought Suicide Squad 2 was going to have Killer Shark in it, oh well I am not to fussed they still have Margo as Harley and anytime you add Idris Elba to a project my interest is peaked naturally, a lot of people liked Smith in the role I thought he was fine, still he was Will Smith as Deadshot, Idris I think is going to be Deadshot so that's a win in my book, I hope Boomerang is back I actually liked him in the first one, also Katana she didn't do much but she was hot bring her back and give her more to do I say, but glad Flagg & Enchantress are gone, that fucking shit was cringe inducing in SS1.
I think there is no doubt an R rated 'Batman' movie could be successful and I don't know what ratings the Nolan movies had in America but I thought one of them had an R rating here in Australia and 'The Dark Knight' was a fairly violent movie and was successful so having a lot of violence in a 'Batman' movie shouldn't be a problem. I would just rather see them explore more of Batman's Horror roots on screen which they were planning on doing at one point and would love to see Clayface in his giant clay monster form and Batman taking on a huge 13 foot tall zombie in the form of Solomon Grundy. That would be fun to see and I am disappointed Paul Dini's 'Arkham Asylum' never got made into a movie even though it was probably better if got made into a video game 'cause they wouldn't have been able to fit all of it into a movie but we would have got Batman facing the huge Titan monsters with their bones sticking out of their bodies and they were very gruesome looking creatures that would look even more terrifying in live action form. I think Warner Bros fears alienating their younger audience now though which is disappointing since they have so many Horror villains. They should give Killer Croc and Solomon Grundy to New Line Cinema and let them make Horror movies of them.
The main things I would like to see done with the 'Batman' movies is having Batman as the World's Greatest Detective (not a vigilante), having the Bat Family at the front and centre and having Batman portrayed as a proper fighter just like in the comic books and it sounds like we are going to be seeing some of that going forward with Matt Reeves saying he wants to explore the Detective aspects in the movie and 'The Batman' is going to have appearances from one or two other Bat Family characters. King Shark (not Killer Croc ) is said to be in 'Suicide Squad 2' but I am not sure if it is one hundred percent confirmed. What apparently is though is Idris isn't playing Deadshot and three of the characters from the first movie are returning and one of them is Viola Davis. I think Deadshot is going to be moved to the 'Secret Six' TV Show.
I heard it's up to 4 now with Harley, Waller, Boomerang & Flagg all returning and with the same actors, so maybe they are just calling it a reboot so they can recast Joker again?
As for TDK all those films were PG-13, TDK got away with violence because they didn't show blood a lot or the violence was implied, and yeah they don't want to push out their younger fans as that's how they make so much money from these films, because Batman Returns wasn't seen as a filure due to the lower box office because it still made a lot of money, it was because it was hard to sell to kids and parents as toys, collectibles and other stuff, specifically the McDonalds tie ins were a huge issue for that film which is why Forever got given to Schumacher and they made it more kid and toy friendly, I mean that is a larger part of why Wonder Woman was such a success, sure the film made over $800m at the box office but that's on a budget of $100m, advertising likely about the same and WB only get $400m of that $800m, but Wonder Woman merch sales reached over $1B in the next fiscal year or something like that, that's all WB money and likely didn't cost them $200m to produce, and why marketing to kids is a vital part of the superhero movie genre.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 8:08:46 GMT
I think there is no doubt an R rated 'Batman' movie could be successful and I don't know what ratings the Nolan movies had in America but I thought one of them had an R rating here in Australia and 'The Dark Knight' was a fairly violent movie and was successful so having a lot of violence in a 'Batman' movie shouldn't be a problem. I would just rather see them explore more of Batman's Horror roots on screen which they were planning on doing at one point and would love to see Clayface in his giant clay monster form and Batman taking on a huge 13 foot tall zombie in the form of Solomon Grundy. That would be fun to see and I am disappointed Paul Dini's 'Arkham Asylum' never got made into a movie even though it was probably better if got made into a video game 'cause they wouldn't have been able to fit all of it into a movie but we would have got Batman facing the huge Titan monsters with their bones sticking out of their bodies and they were very gruesome looking creatures that would look even more terrifying in live action form. I think Warner Bros fears alienating their younger audience now though which is disappointing since they have so many Horror villains. They should give Killer Croc and Solomon Grundy to New Line Cinema and let them make Horror movies of them.
The main things I would like to see done with the 'Batman' movies is having Batman as the World's Greatest Detective (not a vigilante), having the Bat Family at the front and centre and having Batman portrayed as a proper fighter just like in the comic books and it sounds like we are going to be seeing some of that going forward with Matt Reeves saying he wants to explore the Detective aspects in the movie and 'The Batman' is going to have appearances from one or two other Bat Family characters. King Shark (not Killer Croc ) is said to be in 'Suicide Squad 2' but I am not sure if it is one hundred percent confirmed. What apparently is though is Idris isn't playing Deadshot and three of the characters from the first movie are returning and one of them is Viola Davis. I think Deadshot is going to be moved to the 'Secret Six' TV Show.
I heard it's up to 4 now with Harley, Waller, Boomerang & Flagg all returning and with the same actors, so maybe they are just calling it a reboot so they can recast Joker again?
As for TDK all those films were PG-13, TDK got away with violence because they didn't show blood a lot or the violence was implied, and yeah they don't want to push out their younger fans as that's how they make so much money from these films, because Batman Returns wasn't seen as a filure due to the lower box office because it still made a lot of money, it was because it was hard to sell to kids and parents as toys, collectibles and other stuff, specifically the McDonalds tie ins were a huge issue for that film which is why Forever got given to Schumacher and they made it more kid and toy friendly, I mean that is a larger part of why Wonder Woman was such a success, sure the film made over $800m at the box office but that's on a budget of $100m, advertising likely about the same and WB only get $400m of that $800m, but Wonder Woman merch sales reached over $1B in the next fiscal year or something like that, that's all WB money and likely didn't cost them $200m to produce, and why marketing to kids is a vital part of the superhero movie genre.
I didn't know about that. It is very confusing at the moment and I keep hearing how Idris Elba is going to play Deadshot one minute and the next he is playing Deathstroke and then he is playing somebody different altogether. It is hard to take some of the things these news sites are saying about it seriously 'cause they are changing so often and I think the Joker will end up being recast again and they won't end up keeping Jared Leto and it is very possible Joaquin Phoenix could become the permanent Joker if the solo movie is successful 'cause Warner Bros might turn around and offer the actor a lot of money to stay on and play him in other movies. I wasn't a big fan of Jared Leto's Joker but I think that was more to do with how they wrote him and not the actor himself and I would have preferred if he played the character closer to Mark Hamill's version who has been my favourite. What did you think of the version of the Joker we saw in the final episode of 'Gotham' and did you hear the actor who played him is going to be the main star in the next 'Star Wars' video game, 'Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order?' I am not exactly sure if that was him 'cause he sounded and looked so different than he did before. I don't think his version was as bad as some people thought and was mostly disappointed we didn't get a face to face confrontation between him and Batman and only got Batman throwing a Batarang at him.
I didn't know the Dark Knight Trilogy movies were only rated PG 13 in America and I was saying to another member on here recently how those and a lot of other superhero movies like the 'Spider-Man' and 'X-Men' trilogy were rated M in our country and I am pretty sure all the DCEU and MCU movies have come out under M ratings here but we have a different rating and sometimes movies which I think should be rated higher for having more blood and guts in them are only M instead of being rated R or AV. What are your ratings like in the UK Dazz? Do you have G, PG, M, MA, R, AV etc?
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Post by dazz on May 15, 2019 9:04:55 GMT
I heard it's up to 4 now with Harley, Waller, Boomerang & Flagg all returning and with the same actors, so maybe they are just calling it a reboot so they can recast Joker again?
As for TDK all those films were PG-13, TDK got away with violence because they didn't show blood a lot or the violence was implied, and yeah they don't want to push out their younger fans as that's how they make so much money from these films, because Batman Returns wasn't seen as a filure due to the lower box office because it still made a lot of money, it was because it was hard to sell to kids and parents as toys, collectibles and other stuff, specifically the McDonalds tie ins were a huge issue for that film which is why Forever got given to Schumacher and they made it more kid and toy friendly, I mean that is a larger part of why Wonder Woman was such a success, sure the film made over $800m at the box office but that's on a budget of $100m, advertising likely about the same and WB only get $400m of that $800m, but Wonder Woman merch sales reached over $1B in the next fiscal year or something like that, that's all WB money and likely didn't cost them $200m to produce, and why marketing to kids is a vital part of the superhero movie genre.
I didn't know about that. It is very confusing at the moment and I keep hearing how Idris Elba is going to play Deadshot one minute and the next he is playing Deathstroke and then he is playing somebody different altogether. It is hard to take some of the things these news sites are saying about it seriously 'cause they are changing so often and I think the Joker will end up being recast again and they won't end up keeping Jared Leto and it is very possible Joaquin Phoenix could become the permanent Joker if the solo movie is successful 'cause Warner Bros might turn around and offer the actor a lot of money to stay on and play him in other movies. I wasn't a big fan of Jared Leto's Joker but I think that was more to do with how they wrote him and not the actor himself and I would have preferred if he played the character closer to Mark Hamill's version who has been my favourite. What did you think of the version of the Joker we saw in the final episode of 'Gotham' and did you hear the actor who played him is going to be the main star in the next 'Star Wars' video game, 'Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order?' I am not exactly sure if that was him 'cause he sounded and looked so different than he did before. I don't think his version was as bad as some people thought and was mostly disappointed we didn't get a face to face confrontation between him and Batman and only got Batman throwing a Batarang at him.
I didn't know the Dark Knight Trilogy movies were only rated PG 13 in America and I was saying to another member on here recently how those and a lot of other superhero movies like the 'Spider-Man' and 'X-Men' trilogy were rated M in our country and I am pretty sure all the DCEU and MCU movies have come out under M ratings here but we have a different rating and sometimes movies which I think should be rated higher for having more blood and guts in them are only M instead of being rated R or AV. What are your ratings like in the UK Dazz? Do you have G, PG, M, MA, R, AV etc? Ours are Universal (U), PG, 12a, 12, 15, 18, in that order I dunno what rating most films got as all I know is I have been old enough to see them all as they came out, I don't think any got higher than 15 though.
Still haven't watched the last 3 episodes of Gotham yet, the stupid release schedule threw me out of whack then I just want in the mood and just figured I would watch all 3 some weekend but haven't got around to it yet so I dunno, but from the sounds of things I don't like what I heard about how it ended, but never know I will need to watch the episodes to really judge for myself.
As for Leto I didn't mind him, I liked his version wasn't abusive to Harley, as I thought the idea that their relationship could be a story through multiple films would be cool start it of with him being obsessively devoted to her and her to him then he becomes more abusive as it goes till Harley stands up for herself and leaves him I think would work better in live action as opposed to him just being abusive from the get go, his portrayal was unique in how he acted which if we got more of I think could have been interesting, my issue with him in Suicide Squad is how little we got of him to really judge anything by, but I don't like what we heard of how he acted on the set, had we seen a why to justify his behaviour maybe I would be cooler with it but seeing as he went so lala for so little it's like eh no thanks, I agree Hamill in MY Joker I love that version of him closely followed by Ledger's also, that's sort of the hard thing though Leto is following in the footsteps of Hamil & Ledger who made iconic versions of the character, Phoenix has the benefit of doing a Joker in a completely new scenario, so he can take it anyway he wants and it doesn't matter, where as Leto's is judged compared to the numerous takes we have already seen in which case it falls flat.
I doubt Phoenix will stick around either, he doesn't want to be tied into this big films that's why he turned down Dr Strange and stuff from what I hear, this being very much a stand alone film allows him to be one and done, I say they just hire Hamil to be the Joker, he's meant to be older than Batman in a lot of media anyway, and if they are spinning Harley off into her own thing the age difference doesn't matter between them going forward besides like I said Hamil is my Joker so I wouldl ove to see him do it on the big screen.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 16:08:04 GMT
The thing I laugh about Suicide Squad the most is the government wants to create their own superhero team in case Superman goes rogue. So they get a guy with a gun, a guy with a boomerang, and a girl with a mallet. Yeah. That is a real threat to Superman. What the Hell were they thinking?
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I didn't know about that. It is very confusing at the moment and I keep hearing how Idris Elba is going to play Deadshot one minute and the next he is playing Deathstroke and then he is playing somebody different altogether. It is hard to take some of the things these news sites are saying about it seriously 'cause they are changing so often and I think the Joker will end up being recast again and they won't end up keeping Jared Leto and it is very possible Joaquin Phoenix could become the permanent Joker if the solo movie is successful 'cause Warner Bros might turn around and offer the actor a lot of money to stay on and play him in other movies. I wasn't a big fan of Jared Leto's Joker but I think that was more to do with how they wrote him and not the actor himself and I would have preferred if he played the character closer to Mark Hamill's version who has been my favourite. What did you think of the version of the Joker we saw in the final episode of 'Gotham' and did you hear the actor who played him is going to be the main star in the next 'Star Wars' video game, 'Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order?' I am not exactly sure if that was him 'cause he sounded and looked so different than he did before. I don't think his version was as bad as some people thought and was mostly disappointed we didn't get a face to face confrontation between him and Batman and only got Batman throwing a Batarang at him.
I didn't know the Dark Knight Trilogy movies were only rated PG 13 in America and I was saying to another member on here recently how those and a lot of other superhero movies like the 'Spider-Man' and 'X-Men' trilogy were rated M in our country and I am pretty sure all the DCEU and MCU movies have come out under M ratings here but we have a different rating and sometimes movies which I think should be rated higher for having more blood and guts in them are only M instead of being rated R or AV. What are your ratings like in the UK Dazz? Do you have G, PG, M, MA, R, AV etc? Ours are Universal (U), PG, 12a, 12, 15, 18, in that order I dunno what rating most films got as all I know is I have been old enough to see them all as they came out, I don't think any got higher than 15 though.
Still haven't watched the last 3 episodes of Gotham yet, the stupid release schedule threw me out of whack then I just want in the mood and just figured I would watch all 3 some weekend but haven't got around to it yet so I dunno, but from the sounds of things I don't like what I heard about how it ended, but never know I will need to watch the episodes to really judge for myself.
As for Leto I didn't mind him, I liked his version wasn't abusive to Harley, as I thought the idea that their relationship could be a story through multiple films would be cool start it of with him being obsessively devoted to her and her to him then he becomes more abusive as it goes till Harley stands up for herself and leaves him I think would work better in live action as opposed to him just being abusive from the get go, his portrayal was unique in how he acted which if we got more of I think could have been interesting, my issue with him in Suicide Squad is how little we got of him to really judge anything by, but I don't like what we heard of how he acted on the set, had we seen a why to justify his behaviour maybe I would be cooler with it but seeing as he went so lala for so little it's like eh no thanks, I agree Hamill in MY Joker I love that version of him closely followed by Ledger's also, that's sort of the hard thing though Leto is following in the footsteps of Hamil & Ledger who made iconic versions of the character, Phoenix has the benefit of doing a Joker in a completely new scenario, so he can take it anyway he wants and it doesn't matter, where as Leto's is judged compared to the numerous takes we have already seen in which case it falls flat.
I doubt Phoenix will stick around either, he doesn't want to be tied into this big films that's why he turned down Dr Strange and stuff from what I hear, this being very much a stand alone film allows him to be one and done, I say they just hire Hamil to be the Joker, he's meant to be older than Batman in a lot of media anyway, and if they are spinning Harley off into her own thing the age difference doesn't matter between them going forward besides like I said Hamil is my Joker so I wouldl ove to see him do it on the big screen.
Thanks for letting me know about the ratings Dazz. Wow. You have two different ratings for 12? I did not know that and I wonder why 12 is seen as such an important age in your country and they didn’t make it 13 since 13 is the age when a person becomes a teenager. We have two different ratings for 15 here and M and MA and are for people 15 years and over. R is for 18 and over and I think AV is for 21 and over but I am not sure about the last one ‘cause I have never seen any movies in our cinemas that are rated AV and it is only on TV they use it and the movies that have the AV rating on them are not that different than M and MA movies and have less violence and sexual content than the movies that get R ratings here.
They are confusing with their ratings here and I am often confused over why a Horror movie that has a ton of violence, blood and gore is rated lower than Drama movies which have a few sex scenes and crude language in them and it makes me wonder if the people who are giving them ratings bother to even watch the movies or just go on what they have heard from other people ‘cause even my Auntie and Uncle don’t think some of the ratings given to movies make sense. The two highest rated super-hero movies I have seen here are ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ and ‘Black Scorpion’ and both movies have R ratings on them here but ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ was very tame compared to the comics and ‘Black Scorpion’ wasn’t that violent and was more of a soft porn movie than a superhero movie.
I think you should still watch the final three episodes of ‘Gotham’ ‘cause even though some of it was disappointing it wasn’t horrible in my opinion and I enjoyed some of the things they did and was glad we got to see Barbara Gordon in live action again even though she was only young and I feel Warner Bros were silly blocking them from having a young Dick Grayson appear too ‘cause Dick might be the main star of ‘Titans’ but he is an adult in that show and having a young Dick the same age as Barbara appear for a minute or two wouldn’t have not hurt ‘Titans’ at all. I won’t say too much about the last 3 episodes ‘cause I don’t want to spoil it for you since I did that for another member by mistake but I will say what I have found out recently and that is Man Bat and Lady Shiva episodes got cut and they were going to have an episode with Man Bat were seeing him would have inspired Bruce to take on the Batman name and costume.
When they were writing those episodes they thought they were going to get a full season but found out they were getting a shortened one so they were cut and I thought it was unfair Fox wouldn’t give them a full season to end it ‘cause the writers could have done a lot more for the final season if they had been given more episodes and I think the final should have been movie length. The reason why Harvey Dent was written out of the show and didn’t become Two Face has been answered and they said it was ‘cause Harvey didn’t become Two Face until after him and Bruce had been friends and he had become Batman and I found that a disappointing excuse and surely they could have found a way to have him become close friends with Gordon and Bruce and if they had made him closer to Bruce in Gotham knowing he would become Two Face later would have been a bigger betrayal.
Yeah. Mark Hamill’s version of the Joker is great and I was surprised when I first found out it was him ‘cause I didn’t know it was for years and came across it when I was reading something and I think the Joker is the second biggest role of his career below Luke Skywalker. He did play the Joker once in live action in the awful ‘Birds of Prey’ adaption but I am not sure if it was him in the makeup too or if the show only used his voice ‘cause it doesn’t look like Mark. What did you think of Jack Nicholson as the Joker in the 1989 movie? I liked his version and some fans think it was too comedic compared to the version Health Ledger played but I think he was more closer to the comic books and animated versions and Heath's version wasn't comedic enough. It will be interesting to see what Phoenix's version is like but having the Joker not just before Bruce becomes Batman but long, long before seems like an odd move. How old is the Joker going to be when Bruce becomes Batman? I think characters like Ra's al Ghul and Solomon Grundy make sense since they are hundreds of years old but the Joker they could have had set when Bruce was Batman but only had Batman show up at the end to confront him and have Joker fall into the chemical vat.
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Post by dazz on Jun 7, 2019 12:56:17 GMT
Ours are Universal (U), PG, 12a, 12, 15, 18, in that order I dunno what rating most films got as all I know is I have been old enough to see them all as they came out, I don't think any got higher than 15 though.
Still haven't watched the last 3 episodes of Gotham yet, the stupid release schedule threw me out of whack then I just want in the mood and just figured I would watch all 3 some weekend but haven't got around to it yet so I dunno, but from the sounds of things I don't like what I heard about how it ended, but never know I will need to watch the episodes to really judge for myself.
As for Leto I didn't mind him, I liked his version wasn't abusive to Harley, as I thought the idea that their relationship could be a story through multiple films would be cool start it of with him being obsessively devoted to her and her to him then he becomes more abusive as it goes till Harley stands up for herself and leaves him I think would work better in live action as opposed to him just being abusive from the get go, his portrayal was unique in how he acted which if we got more of I think could have been interesting, my issue with him in Suicide Squad is how little we got of him to really judge anything by, but I don't like what we heard of how he acted on the set, had we seen a why to justify his behaviour maybe I would be cooler with it but seeing as he went so lala for so little it's like eh no thanks, I agree Hamill in MY Joker I love that version of him closely followed by Ledger's also, that's sort of the hard thing though Leto is following in the footsteps of Hamil & Ledger who made iconic versions of the character, Phoenix has the benefit of doing a Joker in a completely new scenario, so he can take it anyway he wants and it doesn't matter, where as Leto's is judged compared to the numerous takes we have already seen in which case it falls flat.
I doubt Phoenix will stick around either, he doesn't want to be tied into this big films that's why he turned down Dr Strange and stuff from what I hear, this being very much a stand alone film allows him to be one and done, I say they just hire Hamil to be the Joker, he's meant to be older than Batman in a lot of media anyway, and if they are spinning Harley off into her own thing the age difference doesn't matter between them going forward besides like I said Hamil is my Joker so I wouldl ove to see him do it on the big screen.
Thanks for letting me know about the ratings Dazz. Wow. You have two different ratings for 12? I did not know that and I wonder why 12 is seen as such an important age in your country and they didn’t make it 13 since 13 is the age when a person becomes a teenager. We have two different ratings for 15 here and M and MA and are for people 15 years and over. R is for 18 and over and I think AV is for 21 and over but I am not sure about the last one ‘cause I have never seen any movies in our cinemas that are rated AV and it is only on TV they use it and the movies that have the AV rating on them are not that different than M and MA movies and have less violence and sexual content than the movies that get R ratings here.
They are confusing with their ratings here and I am often confused over why a Horror movie that has a ton of violence, blood and gore is rated lower than Drama movies which have a few sex scenes and crude language in them and it makes me wonder if the people who are giving them ratings bother to even watch the movies or just go on what they have heard from other people ‘cause even my Auntie and Uncle don’t think some of the ratings given to movies make sense. The two highest rated super-hero movies I have seen here are ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ and ‘Black Scorpion’ and both movies have R ratings on them here but ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ was very tame compared to the comics and ‘Black Scorpion’ wasn’t that violent and was more of a soft porn movie than a superhero movie.
I think you should still watch the final three episodes of ‘Gotham’ ‘cause even though some of it was disappointing it wasn’t horrible in my opinion and I enjoyed some of the things they did and was glad we got to see Barbara Gordon in live action again even though she was only young and I feel Warner Bros were silly blocking them from having a young Dick Grayson appear too ‘cause Dick might be the main star of ‘Titans’ but he is an adult in that show and having a young Dick the same age as Barbara appear for a minute or two wouldn’t have not hurt ‘Titans’ at all. I won’t say too much about the last 3 episodes ‘cause I don’t want to spoil it for you since I did that for another member by mistake but I will say what I have found out recently and that is Man Bat and Lady Shiva episodes got cut and they were going to have an episode with Man Bat were seeing him would have inspired Bruce to take on the Batman name and costume.
When they were writing those episodes they thought they were going to get a full season but found out they were getting a shortened one so they were cut and I thought it was unfair Fox wouldn’t give them a full season to end it ‘cause the writers could have done a lot more for the final season if they had been given more episodes and I think the final should have been movie length. The reason why Harvey Dent was written out of the show and didn’t become Two Face has been answered and they said it was ‘cause Harvey didn’t become Two Face until after him and Bruce had been friends and he had become Batman and I found that a disappointing excuse and surely they could have found a way to have him become close friends with Gordon and Bruce and if they had made him closer to Bruce in Gotham knowing he would become Two Face later would have been a bigger betrayal.
Yeah. Mark Hamill’s version of the Joker is great and I was surprised when I first found out it was him ‘cause I didn’t know it was for years and came across it when I was reading something and I think the Joker is the second biggest role of his career below Luke Skywalker. He did play the Joker once in live action in the awful ‘Birds of Prey’ adaption but I am not sure if it was him in the makeup too or if the show only used his voice ‘cause it doesn’t look like Mark. What did you think of Jack Nicholson as the Joker in the 1989 movie? I liked his version and some fans think it was too comedic compared to the version Health Ledger played but I think he was more closer to the comic books and animated versions and Heath's version wasn't comedic enough. It will be interesting to see what Phoenix's version is like but having the Joker not just before Bruce becomes Batman but long, long before seems like an odd move. How old is the Joker going to be when Bruce becomes Batman? I think characters like Ra's al Ghul and Solomon Grundy make sense since they are hundreds of years old but the Joker they could have had set when Bruce was Batman but only had Batman show up at the end to confront him and have Joker fall into the chemical vat.
Yeah I dunno why we have 12, my best guess is because 12 was the age you turn in Year 7 which is the first year of secondary school, so it's like the transitioning between child and adolescence, I think that's also the ago where ticket cost go up for busses, trains and cinema's in general, as a rating though 12 is for 12's and up, 12a means under 12's must be accompanied by an adult, it's the newest rating which only came about in the mid 2000's I think, it was never a thing when I was that age though.
The ratings thing though is so pointless, like Kevin Smith I think has said that he sent back several cuts of films already rated and given higher restrictions only for the film to be given the desired certification the 2nd time with no edits made, just depends on the mood of the people certifying the film at that time, which makes it so dumb.
Meh I half doubt that excuse with Man Bat and Shiva, shows do this all the fucking time, were going to have this character, or this actor will be appearing in an arc with this main cast member and it will be a huge storyline, only for the part to be recast and significantly reduced, I don't see how they thought they were getting a full season when they knew it was going to be the last season and the network didn't really give a shit, when they announced S5 everyone assumed it would be a shorter season so why not the people making the show?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 12:00:31 GMT
Thanks for letting me know about the ratings Dazz. Wow. You have two different ratings for 12? I did not know that and I wonder why 12 is seen as such an important age in your country and they didn’t make it 13 since 13 is the age when a person becomes a teenager. We have two different ratings for 15 here and M and MA and are for people 15 years and over. R is for 18 and over and I think AV is for 21 and over but I am not sure about the last one ‘cause I have never seen any movies in our cinemas that are rated AV and it is only on TV they use it and the movies that have the AV rating on them are not that different than M and MA movies and have less violence and sexual content than the movies that get R ratings here.
They are confusing with their ratings here and I am often confused over why a Horror movie that has a ton of violence, blood and gore is rated lower than Drama movies which have a few sex scenes and crude language in them and it makes me wonder if the people who are giving them ratings bother to even watch the movies or just go on what they have heard from other people ‘cause even my Auntie and Uncle don’t think some of the ratings given to movies make sense. The two highest rated super-hero movies I have seen here are ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ and ‘Black Scorpion’ and both movies have R ratings on them here but ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ was very tame compared to the comics and ‘Black Scorpion’ wasn’t that violent and was more of a soft porn movie than a superhero movie.
I think you should still watch the final three episodes of ‘Gotham’ ‘cause even though some of it was disappointing it wasn’t horrible in my opinion and I enjoyed some of the things they did and was glad we got to see Barbara Gordon in live action again even though she was only young and I feel Warner Bros were silly blocking them from having a young Dick Grayson appear too ‘cause Dick might be the main star of ‘Titans’ but he is an adult in that show and having a young Dick the same age as Barbara appear for a minute or two wouldn’t have not hurt ‘Titans’ at all. I won’t say too much about the last 3 episodes ‘cause I don’t want to spoil it for you since I did that for another member by mistake but I will say what I have found out recently and that is Man Bat and Lady Shiva episodes got cut and they were going to have an episode with Man Bat were seeing him would have inspired Bruce to take on the Batman name and costume.
When they were writing those episodes they thought they were going to get a full season but found out they were getting a shortened one so they were cut and I thought it was unfair Fox wouldn’t give them a full season to end it ‘cause the writers could have done a lot more for the final season if they had been given more episodes and I think the final should have been movie length. The reason why Harvey Dent was written out of the show and didn’t become Two Face has been answered and they said it was ‘cause Harvey didn’t become Two Face until after him and Bruce had been friends and he had become Batman and I found that a disappointing excuse and surely they could have found a way to have him become close friends with Gordon and Bruce and if they had made him closer to Bruce in Gotham knowing he would become Two Face later would have been a bigger betrayal.
Yeah. Mark Hamill’s version of the Joker is great and I was surprised when I first found out it was him ‘cause I didn’t know it was for years and came across it when I was reading something and I think the Joker is the second biggest role of his career below Luke Skywalker. He did play the Joker once in live action in the awful ‘Birds of Prey’ adaption but I am not sure if it was him in the makeup too or if the show only used his voice ‘cause it doesn’t look like Mark. What did you think of Jack Nicholson as the Joker in the 1989 movie? I liked his version and some fans think it was too comedic compared to the version Health Ledger played but I think he was more closer to the comic books and animated versions and Heath's version wasn't comedic enough. It will be interesting to see what Phoenix's version is like but having the Joker not just before Bruce becomes Batman but long, long before seems like an odd move. How old is the Joker going to be when Bruce becomes Batman? I think characters like Ra's al Ghul and Solomon Grundy make sense since they are hundreds of years old but the Joker they could have had set when Bruce was Batman but only had Batman show up at the end to confront him and have Joker fall into the chemical vat. Yeah I dunno why we have 12, my best guess is because 12 was the age you turn in Year 7 which is the first year of secondary school, so it's like the transitioning between child and adolescence, I think that's also the ago where ticket cost go up for busses, trains and cinema's in general, as a rating though 12 is for 12's and up, 12a means under 12's must be accompanied by an adult, it's the newest rating which only came about in the mid 2000's I think, it was never a thing when I was that age though.
The ratings thing though is so pointless, like Kevin Smith I think has said that he sent back several cuts of films already rated and given higher restrictions only for the film to be given the desired certification the 2nd time with no edits made, just depends on the mood of the people certifying the film at that time, which makes it so dumb.
Meh I half doubt that excuse with Man Bat and Shiva, shows do this all the fucking time, were going to have this character, or this actor will be appearing in an arc with this main cast member and it will be a huge storyline, only for the part to be recast and significantly reduced, I don't see how they thought they were getting a full season when they knew it was going to be the last season and the network didn't really give a shit, when they announced S5 everyone assumed it would be a shorter season so why not the people making the show?
Well, 12 being the age you turn when you start Year 7 in England might explain that and over here in Australia Year 7 is the beginning of secondary school for children too but it is called High School and Kindergarten to Year 6 is called Primary School and I went to Pre-School followed by Primary School and High School but I left after Year 10 and went to TAFE to get Certificate 3 and 4 and then went to University and University was a nightmare for me in my last semester ‘cause I accidentally signed up to too many classes when I could have spread them out and I had so many essays coming at me left, right and centre I could barely keep up with them and am surprised I finished them.
Some ratings have changed here over the years and the price of tickets have changed too and it used to be if kids were under a certain age and were accompanied by adults they could get into events for free and that still holds true here but the age they class as kids has dropped and parents have to pay full prices for some children that are only 11, 12 and 13 who used to get in for free. We have noticed it taking my nieces and nephew places and my eldest niece can’t go to many events for free anymore while her younger Sister can still go to the ‘Sydney Royal Easter Show’ for free. I agree with you over the ratings being useless and with some movies it just looks like the people in charge of ratings don’t even watch them when you have movies that are more violent and have blood and guts getting lower ratings than other movies that just have some coarse language in them.
Have the ratings changed for nudity in your country Dazz ‘cause they changed here and movies with nudity are often rated higher than they used to be and most movies that have male nudity and show vaginas have an R rating on them but ‘Euphoria’ seems to have been the exception to that rule and it is only rated M here and has things most movies would be rated R for having. Did your country have problems with ratings for video games ‘cause ours did and there were some video games that didn’t get released here ‘cause they had an R rating unless a lot of graphic content was cut out of them and that only changed 5-6 years ago after the R18+ legislation for video games came into effect here and a lot of people were against it (mostly non gamers) ‘cause they thought games should only be for kids.
I think you could be right about Lady Shiva and Man Bat but I am hoping we get to see those characters turn up somewhere else especially Lady Shiva who I believe is one of the best and most wasted female villains in DC and I would rather see Lady Shiva in the next Batman movie over Catwoman who will look silly if they try to make her a villain now since she has been a antihero for ages now. I am not sure about when they found out they got cancelled but I remember JJ Abrams and the other writers of 'Fringe' were surprised over them getting cancelled and only getting half a season to finish the show 'cause JJ had 7 seasons planned out and they had to skip to the end and jump a heap of parts which made the final season not make as much sense as it should have. Etta was supposed to come to the past to warn her parents about what happened in the future with the Observors and stay a whole season before they went to the future.
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