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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 17, 2018 15:03:59 GMT
Can’t find the link at the moment but I saw that there were two statistical anomalies in Saturday’s Phillies Marlins game. One - it was the first time since 1900 that no pitcher batted in a non-DH game. Two - no pitcher on either team lasted more than two innings. As a side note Kapler pinch hit for Scott Kingery before he ever had a single at bat in the game. To all this I say “fuck off Gabe Kapler”, I’m out. This isn’t baseball, it’s a nerd death march.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Sept 17, 2018 15:22:32 GMT
They were talking about this during yesterday's Met game. Pretty crazy. This is where September call-ups get a bit out of hand. It's like he's trying outdo Tony La Russa.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 17, 2018 16:16:03 GMT
They were talking about this during yesterday's Met game. Pretty crazy. This is where September call-ups get a bit out of hand. It's like he's trying outdo Tony La Russa. The September call-up roster size is Kapler’s wet dream. If they let him have a hundred guys on the bench and in the bullpen he’d use them all. I wasn’t a huge fan of La Russa but at least he had some rings to show for all the nonsense. |
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Post by Xeliou66 on Sept 17, 2018 16:41:07 GMT
The September rosters are too big IMO. You have a boatload of players on the roster and the managers are just trying to get them all in the games.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 17, 2018 16:44:27 GMT
Baseball sucks now anyway.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 17, 2018 17:02:48 GMT
The September rosters are too big IMO. You have a boatload of players on the roster and the managers are just trying to get them all in the games. The September callups benefit the others on your 40 man roster. The minors, excepting the few playoff teams, have their season end on September 1st. That gives minor league players an extra month off. Giving the players a month to acclimate themselves to the majors helps a lot also. But Mattingly is right September baseball is a different game because of the bloated rosters. The solution is simple. Carry a 40 man roster but name a 25 man roster for each game. That gives a few more options (last night's starting pitcher, tomorrows starting pitcher won't be on the game's roster, obviously), but end the 15 pitching change games. |
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 17, 2018 17:27:22 GMT
The September rosters are too big IMO. You have a boatload of players on the roster and the managers are just trying to get them all in the games. The September callups benefit the others on your 40 man roster. The minors, excepting the few playoff teams, have their season end on September 1st. That gives minor league players an extra month off. Giving the players a month to acclimate themselves to the majors helps a lot also. But Mattingly is right September baseball is a different game because of the bloated rosters. The solution is simple. Carry a 40 man roster but name a 25 man roster for each game. That gives a few more options (last night's starting pitcher, tomorrows starting pitcher won't be on the game's roster, obviously), but end the 15 pitching change games. Sounds like a plan. also, a firm trading deadline. None of this waivers stuff. |
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Post by Toy-Cannon on Sept 17, 2018 17:27:27 GMT
Baseball sucks now anyway. The Cult of Sabermetrics is ruining the game.
I can't even read half of these nerds articles and understand anything. wRC+, BABIP, UZR, WPA, FIP, Blah blah blah.
Mention ERA or Batting Average or chemistry on the SB Nation Pages and they will jump all over you and threaten to throw you out.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 17, 2018 17:44:35 GMT
Baseball sucks now anyway. The Cult of Sabermetrics is ruining the game.
I can't even read half of these nerds articles and understand anything. wRC+, BABIP, UZR, WPA, FIP, Blah blah blah.
Mention ERA or Batting Average or chemistry on the SB Nation Pages and they will jump all over you and threaten to throw you out.
the lure of ideology is strong, it engenders in the believer's ego the feeling of being smart, while also, never having to actually make a decision--a true marker of intelligence. to maintain the hallucination that the ideology brings Utopian ends dissent is not tolerated. |
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Post by fjenkins on Sept 17, 2018 18:54:18 GMT
Can’t find the link at the moment but I saw that there were two statistical anomalies in Saturday’s Phillies Marlins game. One - it was the first time since 1900 that no pitcher batted in a non-DH game. Two - no pitcher on either team lasted more than two innings. As a side note Kapler pinch hit for Scott Kingery before he ever had a single at bat in the game. To all this I say “fuck off Gabe Kapler”, I’m out. This isn’t baseball, it’s a nerd death march. Wow, that's all it took for you to be out? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:00:46 GMT
I don’t mind because you get to see some of your minor leaguer play if you’re on a team with no chance of making the post season.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 17, 2018 19:12:54 GMT
Can’t find the link at the moment but I saw that there were two statistical anomalies in Saturday’s Phillies Marlins game. One - it was the first time since 1900 that no pitcher batted in a non-DH game. Two - no pitcher on either team lasted more than two innings. As a side note Kapler pinch hit for Scott Kingery before he ever had a single at bat in the game. To all this I say “fuck off Gabe Kapler”, I’m out. This isn’t baseball, it’s a nerd death march. Wow, that's all it took for you to be out? Well that’s the Kapler straw that broke this camel’s back. The Phillies where better than expected this year and it was so painfully unentertaining to watch because of the Kapler experience that’s it’s not worth it. 162 games, 162 different batting orders, none of which make sense. Endless pitching changes. Stupid mistakes. His postgame press conferences were a joy as well - nothing but rainbows and unicorns no matter how badly they fucked up. I can’t stand him, I’m done until he’s gone. Who gives a shit if they get Harper, Machado and Trout - he’ll just fuck it up anyway. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 17, 2018 19:19:44 GMT
Wow, that's all it took for you to be out? Well that’s the Kapler straw that broke this camel’s back. The Phillies where better than expected this year and it was so painfully unentertaining to watch because of the Kapler experience that’s it’s not worth it. 162 games, 162 different batting orders, none of which make sense. Endless pitching changes. Stupid mistakes. His postgame press conferences were a joy as well - nothing but rainbows and unicorns no matter how badly they fucked up. I can’t stand him, I’m done until he’s gone. Who gives a shit if they get Harper, Machado and Trout - he’ll just fuck it up anyway. Pfft--try being a Marlins fan. |
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 17, 2018 19:31:02 GMT
Wow, that's all it took for you to be out? Well that’s the Kapler straw that broke this camel’s back. The Phillies where better than expected this year and it was so painfully unentertaining to watch because of the Kapler experience that’s it’s not worth it. 162 games, 162 different batting orders, none of which make sense. Endless pitching changes. Stupid mistakes. His postgame press conferences were a joy as well - nothing but rainbows and unicorns no matter how badly they fucked up. I can’t stand him, I’m done until he’s gone. Who gives a shit if they get Harper, Machado and Trout - he’ll just fuck it up anyway. Try explaining to the stats geeks about 'roles' in a batting oder 1-fast, contact hitter 2- fastball eater 3-some power, good avg. 4- slugger etc... lol. Players don't develop over a season when they have to 'be' many things. |
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Post by tristramshandy on Sept 17, 2018 20:00:40 GMT
Can’t find the link at the moment but I saw that there were two statistical anomalies in Saturday’s Phillies Marlins game. One - it was the first time since 1900 that no pitcher batted in a non-DH game. Two - no pitcher on either team lasted more than two innings. As a side note Kapler pinch hit for Scott Kingery before he ever had a single at bat in the game. To all this I say “fuck off Gabe Kapler”, I’m out. This isn’t baseball, it’s a nerd death march. This follows up earlier in the month when the Rays had a four-hit shutout and used six pitchers to get it. |
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Post by tristramshandy on Sept 17, 2018 20:06:45 GMT
Just looked at that boxscore: there were 10 hits in the game and 15 pitchers.  |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 17, 2018 20:29:03 GMT
Well that’s the Kapler straw that broke this camel’s back. The Phillies where better than expected this year and it was so painfully unentertaining to watch because of the Kapler experience that’s it’s not worth it. 162 games, 162 different batting orders, none of which make sense. Endless pitching changes. Stupid mistakes. His postgame press conferences were a joy as well - nothing but rainbows and unicorns no matter how badly they fucked up. I can’t stand him, I’m done until he’s gone. Who gives a shit if they get Harper, Machado and Trout - he’ll just fuck it up anyway. Try explaining to the stats geeks about 'roles' in a batting oder 1-fast, contact hitter 2- fastball eater 3-some power, good avg. 4- slugger etc... lol. Players don't develop over a season when they have to 'be' many things. A thousand times this. The 2008 Phillies, barring injuries and occasional rest days, the batting order was Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard etc. every day regardless of the opposing pitcher. As did most other teams. I think this helped their success, not detract from it. And if I see a pitcher bat 8th one more time I’m gonna puke. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Sept 17, 2018 20:52:09 GMT
Try explaining to the stats geeks about 'roles' in a batting oder 1-fast, contact hitter 2- fastball eater 3-some power, good avg. 4- slugger etc... lol. Players don't develop over a season when they have to 'be' many things. A thousand times this. The 2008 Phillies, barring injuries and occasional rest days, the batting order was Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard etc. every day regardless of the opposing pitcher. As did most other teams. I think this helped their success, not detract from it. And if I see a pitcher bat 8th one more time I’m gonna puke. The batting order roles is something I've always been a proponent of (especially so for younger players), however, I do like the idea of hitting the pitcher 8th in certain situations, but not every situation. If you have a thin bottom of the order, you're helping by putting the pitcher 8th and perhaps a somewhat better hitter 9th because it gives the top of your lineup, which will invariably be better, more opportunities to make something happen. From game to game, it won't add up to a discernible amount, however, over the course of the season it does help. But if you have a deep lineup it doesn't really do much for you. Bullpen roles by inning, however, need to be a thing of the past. The notion that your closer can ONLY pitch in the 9th inning has always been puzzling to me and it was a breath of fresh air to see Francona use Andrew Miller, undoubtedly his best pitcher outside of Corey Kluber, all over the place in the 2016 playoffs. Your best pitcher should be used in the most difficult spots, he does you no good if you're saving him for the 9th when you're shaky other guy is squandering leads in the 7th and 8th. Why the fuck would you send some garbage time reliever to face the other team's 3-4-5 hitters when your stud pitcher is just sitting there with his dick in his hand? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 23:47:25 GMT
MLB won't miss any of you old fools.
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Post by cjh8504 on Sept 18, 2018 6:53:40 GMT
A thousand times this. The 2008 Phillies, barring injuries and occasional rest days, the batting order was Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard etc. every day regardless of the opposing pitcher. As did most other teams. I think this helped their success, not detract from it. And if I see a pitcher bat 8th one more time I’m gonna puke. The batting order roles is something I've always been a proponent of (especially so for younger players), however, I do like the idea of hitting the pitcher 8th in certain situations, but not every situation. If you have a thin bottom of the order, you're helping by putting the pitcher 8th and perhaps a somewhat better hitter 9th because it gives the top of your lineup, which will invariably be better, more opportunities to make something happen. From game to game, it won't add up to a discernible amount, however, over the course of the season it does help. But if you have a deep lineup it doesn't really do much for you. Bullpen roles by inning, however, need to be a thing of the past. The notion that your closer can ONLY pitch in the 9th inning has always been puzzling to me and it was a breath of fresh air to see Francona use Andrew Miller, undoubtedly his best pitcher outside of Corey Kluber, all over the place in the 2016 playoffs. Your best pitcher should be used in the most difficult spots, he does you no good if you're saving him for the 9th when you're shaky other guy is squandering leads in the 7th and 8th. Why the fuck would you send some garbage time reliever to face the other team's 3-4-5 hitters when your stud pitcher is just sitting there with his dick in his hand? If a team's stud pitcher is sitting in the bullpen with his dick in his hand then I would say the team has far worse problems than bullpen management, klaw. |
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