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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 8:44:48 GMT
I remember as a Braves fan thinking he was laughable because he took out Nola after like 5 innings because analytics told him so.
I hate the statistic things today. A lot of stats that I don't understand. All I know is if Kapler was my manager, I'd fucking hate him.
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 18, 2018 16:27:24 GMT
Some day we may have 1st inning specialist, 2nd inning specialist, etc. This is killing to joy of watching a dominating starting pitching performance. In a way, Starting Pitching is already half dead. I used to love watching the Guidry, Carlton, Ryan, Gooden, etc. going deep into the game. Most of them nowadays don't even get past the 6th inning. They are not even giving a chance to finish the game. When Matt Harvey pitching the 9th in the WS, trouble is looming because he was never given that chance to finish his games.
I don't think it is even the manager's fault. They are just puppet to the higher up who relies on Stats that do not show the human quality of the game. Every pitchers are different, and the same pitchers can be different day by day. All pitchers are treated like replaceable components. I am seeing Socialism is seeping into baseball.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 18, 2018 18:22:50 GMT
I remember as a Braves fan thinking he was laughable because he took out Nola after like 5 innings because analytics told him so. I hate the statistic things today. A lot of stats that I don't understand. All I know is if Kapler was my manager, I'd fucking hate him. it's a way to avoid responsibility---the stats made me do it. i had a buddy who during the last recession---this was quite genius actually---he'd just blame any and all decision on 'the economy'. and it worked!
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 18, 2018 18:31:30 GMT
I remember as a Braves fan thinking he was laughable because he took out Nola after like 5 innings because analytics told him so. I hate the statistic things today. A lot of stats that I don't understand. All I know is if Kapler was my manager, I'd fucking hate him. I would not blame statistics either. Statistics is a tool. People who used it improperly are fools. These Sabermetricians look at only the observed elements of the game. A factor that is overlooked in the equation is the human element, which they have no idea how to measure. These are what they called Latent Variables in Social Science.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 18, 2018 22:14:45 GMT
A thousand times this. The 2008 Phillies, barring injuries and occasional rest days, the batting order was Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard etc. every day regardless of the opposing pitcher. As did most other teams. I think this helped their success, not detract from it. And if I see a pitcher bat 8th one more time I’m gonna puke. The batting order roles is something I've always been a proponent of (especially so for younger players), however, I do like the idea of hitting the pitcher 8th in certain situations, but not every situation. If you have a thin bottom of the order, you're helping by putting the pitcher 8th and perhaps a somewhat better hitter 9th because it gives the top of your lineup, which will invariably be better, more opportunities to make something happen. From game to game, it won't add up to a discernible amount, however, over the course of the season it does help. But if you have a deep lineup it doesn't really do much for you. Bullpen roles by inning, however, need to be a thing of the past. The notion that your closer can ONLY pitch in the 9th inning has always been puzzling to me and it was a breath of fresh air to see Francona use Andrew Miller, undoubtedly his best pitcher outside of Corey Kluber, all over the place in the 2016 playoffs. Your best pitcher should be used in the most difficult spots, he does you no good if you're saving him for the 9th when you're shaky other guy is squandering leads in the 7th and 8th. Why the fuck would you send some garbage time reliever to face the other team's 3-4-5 hitters when your stud pitcher is just sitting there with his dick in his hand? A Miller type arm is key for the playoffs.
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