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Post by Aj_June on Sept 21, 2018 4:08:25 GMT
I don't know what is mostly republican. Do you use mostly as in 90% military people are republican? No. Military people just like other people of other groups are diverse. They might lean more toward republican but they are not monolithic group. In a survey of who they would want as president this was how they indicated they would vote. Trump vs Sanders 51% Trump, 38% Sanders (who is extreme left), 11 % no vote. so you had 38% military people who wanted to vote leftist candidate/democrat party. 11% didn't want to vote. Only 1 out of 2 wanted to vote for republican. Like I said, they're drawn from the lower classes so there would be a tendency towards liberalism on economic issues. If Democrat party keeps promoting dubious candidates like Hillary Clinton then they would alienate those who lean towards liberalism. Point to note that on the same survey in which 38% wanted to vote for Sanders, only 2/3rd of those who wanted to vote for Sanders also wanted to vote for Hillary. Democrat party couldn't have come up with a worse candidate.
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Post by gameboy on Sept 21, 2018 4:17:40 GMT
Like I said, they're drawn from the lower classes so there would be a tendency towards liberalism on economic issues. If Democrat party keeps promoting dubious candidates like Hillary Clinton then they would alienate those who lean towards liberalism. Point to not that on the same survey in which 38% wanted to vote for Sanders, only 2/3rd of those who wanted to vote for Sanders also wanted to vote for Hillary. Democrat party couldn't have come up with a worse candidate.
I never liked Hillary because she's part of a corrupt power hungry political machine. Who the hell could trust that bitch? However, she did get more votes than Trump. Women loved her and came out to vote for her in droves. No American politician like Sanders who calls himself a socialist can be elected president in the U.S. though. That's still a dirty word here. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Sept 21, 2018 4:22:27 GMT
This doesn't even make sense, but I have never really expected you too. Of course you don't. I'm not white or a silly liberal. You just proved my point. I'm sure you don't believe that. |
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Post by Nora on Sept 21, 2018 6:18:27 GMT
This doesn't even make sense, but I have never really expected you too. Of course you don't. I'm not white or a silly liberal. You just proved my point. wait what... U R NOT WHITE?? wow that is a twist... |
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Post by ant-mac on Sept 21, 2018 8:15:20 GMT
I wouldn't know.
My father was born in 1919. I was born in 1968. He died in 1980.
I missed out on most of his life.
I would say values and lifestyles were different then. Working class 'were' working class and putting things together for purpose that was more tangible. Technological advancements were slower also many things still had novelty value. People weren't as savvy either I would say. They believed in what was spoon fed to them by the ruling establishment. In general terms you might be right, but I wouldn't assume they were all the same.
Dad was working class, but he seemed to take a certain pride in owning the best car in the entire street, sometimes the entire town. He and Mum were both enrolled nurses. He'd be up before 0500 hours every morning, whether he was working or not. If Mum was on an early, he'd be up to make her breakfast and warm the car up while she showered. If they were both on an early, when they got home in the afternoon, Mum would take a nap, but Dad would go out and see what yard work needed to be done. At night, unless he was on a late or there was a specific reason to stay up, he was often in bed by 2100 hours. And I doubt you would've met many people quite as savvy as he was. He had an ability to "read" people - or situations - that often unsettled Mum.
I knew him and what he was like. I just didn't know him during the period you described. I also know the period you described through watching countless documentaries and such, but by then, Dad was already dead. So I was never able to fully combine both sides of that equation.
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Post by hi224 on Sept 21, 2018 8:53:55 GMT
whjoo rah.
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Post by poelzig on Sept 22, 2018 2:53:07 GMT
Of course you don't. I'm not white or a silly liberal. You just proved my point. wait what... U R NOT WHITE?? wow that is a twist... I know, right? How dare a person of color like movies and tv and dare to discuss them with white folks? Your ignorance of swarthy people is disgusting even for a european. I know y'all rarely if ever interact with anyone but other whites but that's still no excuse. That's your cue to invent some black "friends" thus proving you're not they typical hypocritical white liberal. Keep on goosestepping sweetie. |
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Post by Nora on Sept 22, 2018 3:20:23 GMT
wait what... U R NOT WHITE?? wow that is a twist... I know, right? How dare a person of color like movies and tv and dare to discuss them with white folks? Your ignorance of swarthy people is disgusting even for a european. I know y'all rarely if ever interact with anyone but other whites but that's still no excuse. That's your cue to invent some black "friends" thus proving you're not they typical hypocritical white liberal. Keep on goosestepping sweetie. my dear, paranoid, confused and self absorbed Poelzig. you believed i thought you were white because you "like movies and tv and dare to discuss them with white folks"? thats adorable. oh darling Poelzig. It had NOTHING to do with you "liking tv and movies and discussing it with :white folks:". But it had everything to do with your vile arrogance, jumpiness, demagogy, and tendencies to stereotype to a truly great extent. I too fell partially in that pit since I stereotyped you. As those qualities are mostly exhibited by white men in my world. The arrogance, the ignorance mixed with aggression. To me those were saying "white guy". that is why I was surprised. thats all. you often act like an entitled, arrogant, bitter and not very well educated ….. white guy . But I believe in u, u Can change this. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 22, 2018 4:35:41 GMT
I think bryce has commented that he is bisexual. He is very flexible and open-minded. It just appears that the majority of those that are conservative\republican\right wing minded, seem to have more of an inclination or propensity to the defense force and the need for military guidance as a way of necessity.
Those that are rounded up to make up the cannon fodder, are probably apolitical and even dense bunnies who get easily led or fooled. There is no other way else to see this. Then there will be those that do believe in the conservative hogwash agenda that is spoon fed to them and due to either narcissistic or psychopathic personality traits blindly follow where the other blind are leading.
You probably don't think you're a bigot, huh? Way to prejudge people in the military. Let me guess despite the glaring proof you're not prejudiced either. Yeah sure, I'm bigoted! Bigoted and prejudiced against ignorance. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 22, 2018 4:41:12 GMT
I don't know what is mostly republican. Do you use mostly as in 90% military people are republican?No. Military people just like people of other groups are diverse. They might lean more toward republican but they are not monolithic group. In a survey of who they would want as president this was how they indicated they would vote. Trump vs Sanders 51% Trump, 38% Sanders (who is extreme left), 11 % no vote. so you had 38% military people who wanted to vote leftist candidate/democrat party. 11% didn't want to vote. Only 1 out of 2 wanted to vote for republican. Are the politics of the "majority" of those that serve in the military steeped in conservative values? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 22, 2018 4:50:01 GMT
I would say values and lifestyles were different then. Working class 'were' working class and putting things together for purpose that was more tangible. Technological advancements were slower also many things still had novelty value. People weren't as savvy either I would say. They believed in what was spoon fed to them by the ruling establishment. In general terms you might be right, but I wouldn't assume they were all the same.
Dad was working class, but he seemed to take a certain pride in owning the best car in the entire street, sometimes the entire town. He and Mum were both enrolled nurses. He'd be up before 0500 hours every morning, whether he was working or not. If Mum was on an early, he'd be up to make her breakfast and warm the car up while she showered. If they were both on an early, when they got home in the afternoon, Mum would take a nap, but Dad would go out and see what yard work needed to be done. At night, unless he was on a late or there was a specific reason to stay up, he was often in bed by 2100 hours. And I doubt you would've met many people quite as savvy as he was. He had an ability to "read" people - or situations - that often unsettled Mum.
I knew him and what he was like. I just didn't know him during the period you described. I also know the period you described through watching countless documentaries and such, but by then, Dad was already dead. So I was never able to fully combine both sides of that equation.
I feel left and right values may have a different dynamic today, as to what they did say over 40yrs ago. What people thought was right and what they fought for and worked hard for then, now has a different outlook. PC values are very much different today and that can determine ones politics. Those that may have been from your Dad's era and were left wing supporters, may very well be right wing based on what they see today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 4:57:38 GMT
Why are military and militant put together in this discussion?
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Post by gameboy on Sept 22, 2018 5:02:39 GMT
Why are military and militant put together in this discussion? I know, right? They're almost opposites.  Well Toasty?  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 22, 2018 5:26:12 GMT
Why are military and militant put together in this discussion? I know, right? They're almost opposites. Well Toasty? How are they opposites? Well Gamy?  Military as a noun is a derivative of the term militant. Where else did they get it from? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 22, 2018 5:26:36 GMT
Why are military and militant put together in this discussion? The militant military, that's where fool! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 5:32:40 GMT
Why are military and militant put together in this discussion? The militant military, that's where fool! So you are just talking about militants in the military vs. military people who aren't militants, or militants who aren't in the military then? |
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Post by gameboy on Sept 22, 2018 5:33:41 GMT
I know, right? They're almost opposites. Well Toasty? How are they opposites? Well Gamy? Military as a noun is a derivative of the term militant. Where else did they get it from? Military is official. "Militants" usually refers to radical anti-establishment groups. Ya know, like "black militants", "gay militants". |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 22, 2018 5:36:06 GMT
The militant military, that's where fool! So you are just talking about militants in the military vs. military people who aren't militants, or militants who aren't in the military then? I am talking about militant attitudes and of course it goes without saying, that those in the military have militant ideals. So either way, are most people with militant attitudes, or in the military, republican or hold conservative values that do more harm than good? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 5:38:56 GMT
So you are just talking about militants in the military vs. military people who aren't militants, or militants who aren't in the military then? I am talking about militant attitudes and of course it goes without saying, that those in the military have militant ideals. So either way, are most people with militant attitudes, or in the military, republican or hold conservative values that do more harm than good? I seriously doubt that Antifa has a substantial Republican contingent. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 22, 2018 5:54:29 GMT
I don't know what is mostly republican. Do you use mostly as in 90% military people are republican?No. Military people just like people of other groups are diverse. They might lean more toward republican but they are not monolithic group. In a survey of who they would want as president this was how they indicated they would vote. Trump vs Sanders 51% Trump, 38% Sanders (who is extreme left), 11 % no vote. so you had 38% military people who wanted to vote leftist candidate/democrat party. 11% didn't want to vote. Only 1 out of 2 wanted to vote for republican. Are the politics of the "majority" of those that serve in the military steeped in conservative values? It's a matter of time. There is no thing set in stone. Yes, if you are talking about "USA" then in last 10 years military people have had greater associated with conservatives. In India, the militant people (the Maoist insurgents) are totally committed to leftist values. |
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Military as a noun is a derivative of the term militant. Where else did they get it from?