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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 22, 2018 0:12:18 GMT
Phantasm -Its one of the few horror hits not to get a redo. Its pretty cool. There's a few cheesy bits, but its definitely one of a kind. The sequels are cool too. I have yet to see part 5, I feel, as a fan, I am being royally fucked over in the UK. What the hell? I can get Galaxy of Terror on some cheap ass label, but no Phantasm 5?
The Keep -The best film not on DVD. It departs from the book a fair bit, but it is an unusual film, it has some great moments, and Tangerine Dream's score is awesome.
The Last Starfighter -There have been proposed ideas, but nothing came about. But this is a damn good movie. Its obviously a riff on Star Wars and Tron, but it is never less than entertaining. Robert Preston steals scenes as galactic hustler Centauri, and Dan O'Herlihy is great as Grig.
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Post by Catman on Sept 22, 2018 0:22:51 GMT
Quatermass and the Pit Yeah, the film is a remake of a television serial, but they'd no doubt focus on all the wrong elements if they attempted a modern remake.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 22, 2018 0:37:01 GMT
Bought the 5-film Blu-ray box set a few weeks ago... I still love these movies. Sorry the UK has failed you in this regard.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 22, 2018 0:38:40 GMT
Killer Clowns from Outer Space
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Post by Vegas on Sept 22, 2018 0:43:43 GMT
On the flip side.. I tried to get my girl to watch The Other, costarring a very young John Ritter, as she likes movies with a good twist.... *SPOILER ALERT* BONUS POINTS FOR KILLING THAT BABY But, LORDY!!, does this film need a remake.... You forget just how slow some long-shots lasted in early 70's film... Yeah, we get it... the car is slowly driving up the 2 mile long driveway... WE DON'T NEED TO SEE THE ENTIRE 3 MINUTE TRIP!!
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Post by Vegas on Sept 22, 2018 0:47:00 GMT
The Keep-The best film not on DVD. It departs from the book a fair bit, but it is an unusual film, it has some great moments, and Tangerine Dream's score is awesome. I had to make my own DVD burn of this when it aired on HBO (or CINEMAX) a few years back....
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 22, 2018 1:28:41 GMT
Bought the 5-film Blu-ray box set a few weeks ago... I still love these movies. Sorry the UK has failed you in this regard. I got a boxed set of 1-4, a Christmas gift for myself along with all the Friday the 13ths, and Nightmare on Elm Street, but I find I much prefer Phantasm series over Jason and Freddy.
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 22, 2018 1:30:24 GMT
Killer Clowns from Outer Space I was so glad to get the DVD, a frequent Halloween viewing. 👍👍👍👍👍
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Post by geode on Sept 22, 2018 10:00:25 GMT
Basically no films should be remade. I guess some remakes of silent movies such as "Ben-Hur" were justifiable but others in general? No way. It just shows a lack of imagination and crass commercialism.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 22, 2018 12:00:45 GMT
I got a boxed set of 1-4, a Christmas gift for myself along with all the Friday the 13ths, and Nightmare on Elm Street, but I find I much prefer Phantasm series over Jason and Freddy.Yeah... There's just something about having characters that you like and wanting them to escape death... ...as opposed to 2 dimensional film props that you just can't wait to see how they die.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 22, 2018 13:35:25 GMT
Basically no films should be remade. I disagree. I guess some remakes of silent movies such as "Ben-Hur" were justifiable but others in general? Most remakes use latest technologies that were not available at some point. Sound, color, CGI, 3D... And Ben Hur was a book originally. It just shows a lack of imagination and crass commercialism. Do you tell this theater directors who instead of writing their own pieces put Shakespeare, Molière and Goethe on the stage? All modern performances of pieces written by these great authors are remakes, so to speak. If you don't like a remake, don't watch it. The original is not going away because of a remake.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 22, 2018 14:07:06 GMT
ATTACK OF THE GIANT LEECHES, the cheese classic, with the ultimate still scene of the muscle bound hero holding a pistol in one hand and a scantily clad babe in the other.
This was Yvette Vickers's movie. It belonged to her. There has been a remake, and fundamentally, it was much better than the original, but that's where it lost the magic. The original was filmed in a dark swamp, and had atmospheric murk. The remake was much too clear. On the technical level, the purist would say the remake was "better", but the femme fatale was washed out in the sunlight. Yvette was hot in the original, because the dark lighting was perfect contrast to the fair blond. In the remake, the lady was totally washed out and pale, and just lacked any sexiness. The other girls looked ten times hotter than her in the bright light.
Today's purists want to make everything to a tee, perfectly lucid, whereas a good film doesn't put too much clutter in to desensitize the viewer. It's much like the appeal of seeing an old time grocery with a few items vs. the new grocery that has five thousand different flavors and colors of the same thing in a one square foot area.
We've already seen why this movie, as well as WAR OF THE WORLDS, FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX, CLASH OF THE TITANS, PLANET OF THE APES, and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL should not have been remade. The main problem is that today's movie moguls, the decision makers, completely lack any creativity, imagination, inspiration, and also are horribly out of touch with the people outside their clique.
So, looking at these films, one sees the common thread of "action" as opposed to "theater" and "drama". I believe the more drama based movies would be okay in remakes, because they would be done on the basis of the play itself.
So, I'll say the action movies would be worse in remakes, particularly ones that involve theatrics. I agree with Quartermas and the Pit being one that would be doomed in a remake. The worse remake would be of the sci fi classics THEM! and FIRST SPACESHIP TO VENUS. The modern neo Nazi of Hollywood would insist on killing the female leads since they have dark hair.
The three things that would ruin the remakes are the neo Nazi Hollywood preaching, the insane desire to make the audience dizzy with the arcade game look, and the clutter.
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Post by senan90 on Sept 22, 2018 14:25:46 GMT
The Wizard of Oz Vertigo Paris, Texas Rosemary's Baby Audition Three Colors Trilogy Videodrome
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Post by kls on Sept 22, 2018 14:44:09 GMT
I can't imagine hoping a film isn't remade. There are many I'd have zero interest in them being remade, but I couldn't care less if they are out there for others to watch.
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Post by geode on Sept 22, 2018 14:47:25 GMT
Basically no films should be remade. I disagree. I guess some remakes of silent movies such as "Ben-Hur" were justifiable but others in general? Most remakes use latest technologies that were not available at some point. Sound, color, CGI, 3D... And Ben Hur was a book originally. It just shows a lack of imagination and crass commercialism. Do you tell this theater directors who instead of writing their own pieces put Shakespeare, Molière and Goethe on the stage? All modern performances of pieces written by these great authors are remakes, so to speak. If you don't like a remake, don't watch it. The original is not going away because of a remake. The technology involved in making films was very technologically advanced by the mid-20th Century. I cited one remake that I would argue was improved because of the advent of sound. One can argue color improved some remakes, but usually this has not been the case. CGI has in many cases made remakes worse than the original. So "Ben-Hur" was a book first. I don't see the rekevence as we are talking about movies. Many films are adapted, but the medium isdifferent. For that reason I find your dragging stage plays into this to be irrelevent. I think the only time a stage production is at all comparable is if it is rewritten to materially alter the original. The way you are describing it two successive performances of "Julius Caesar" at the onset would be an "original"and a remake"... But the real bottom line is how seldom a remake actually is superior. I can only think of one or two after the advent of sound thay I think are better, and in these cases most everybody disagrees with me. Remakes are generally made from films that were successful. There were reasons why this happened. Most remakes are not done to correct the mistakes in failed films. Actually those would be the best candidates to be remade, but they are usually not because they were commercial failures.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 22, 2018 15:05:19 GMT
geodeI agree with phludowin. My reasoning is very simple. Everyone deserves a chance to remake a movie simply by desiring to do so. While remakes are mostly bad and are not able to increase the quality of original in majority of cases, that in itself is no reason to deny someone the chance. May be you used an exaggerated way of writing that I didn't get. But to me everyone who is in film-making profession has certain aspirations and should have the chance to do what he or she wants to. If the remake is bad we will simply ignore it. Once in a while remakes are not that bad. Cape Fear for example is not that bad. Even though I personally like the original more, the remake is also good.
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Post by geode on Sept 22, 2018 15:38:01 GMT
geode I agree with phludowin . My reasoning is very simple. Everyone deserves a chance to remake a movie simply by desiring to do so. While remakes are mostly bad and are not able to increase the quality of original in majority of cases, that in itself is no reason to deny someone the chance. May be you used an exaggerated way of writing that I didn't get. But to me everyone who is in film-making profession has certain aspirations and should have the chance to do what he or she wants to. If the remake is bad we will simply ignore it. Once in a while remakes are not that bad. Cape Fear for example is not that bad. Even though I personally like the original more, the remake is also good. I was not talking about a right to do a remake, I was only saying I think it is usually a bad idea. What did I possibly say that led you to the conclusion that I thought remakes should be banned or illegal? People are free to make as many remakes as they wish, but to me it is usually an artistic cop-out that they resort to when they lack the originality to make something new and fresh. The intent almost invariably is not artistic anyway, but financial. I think your argument does make some sense if the original artist remakes their own work. Alfred Hitchcock for instance with "The Man that Knew Too Much" but he materially changed it.
The analogy to stage plays does not work in my opinion since by definition they need to be re-staged for every performance. That is what makes film rather unique. It really is a closer analog to novels. So, say the estate of Margaret Mitchell decided that they would commission a rewrite of "Gone With the Wind"...is there a case to do so? This is the same thing I see with movies. The sad thing is that more than in any other era I think originality in films is rare. If remakes take up a significant portion of what is produced we get even less chance of something inventively original being made.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 22, 2018 22:19:13 GMT
geode I agree with phludowin . My reasoning is very simple. Everyone deserves a chance to remake a movie simply by desiring to do so. While remakes are mostly bad and are not able to increase the quality of original in majority of cases, that in itself is no reason to deny someone the chance. May be you used an exaggerated way of writing that I didn't get. But to me everyone who is in film-making profession has certain aspirations and should have the chance to do what he or she wants to. If the remake is bad we will simply ignore it. Once in a while remakes are not that bad. Cape Fear for example is not that bad. Even though I personally like the original more, the remake is also good. I was not talking about a right to do a remake, I was only saying I think it is usually a bad idea. What did I possibly say that led you to the conclusion that I thought remakes should be banned or illegal? You said this:And Aj_June did not use the words "banned" or "illegal". People are free to make as many remakes as they wish, but to me it is usually an artistic cop-out that they resort to when they lack the originality to make something new and fresh. The same could be said about people who do not make a movie from an original script, but adapt a book. They tell the same story the book author told. That's why I mentioned that "Ben Hur" was originally a book. To paraphrase Aj_June : Everybody deserves a chance to put a story into pictures. Whether this story comes from a book, or another movie, is irrelevant. Every adaptation from a book that is not the first adaptation is a remake. Some books/stories have been made into countless movies; like "The Count of Monte Christo", "The Three Musketeers", or "Robin Hood". And all movie adaptations have strengths and weaknesses. And in all three cases, my favourite adaptation is not the first one. The intent almost invariably is not artistic anyway, but financial. The intent for every movie is financial. Movie production studios are profit-oriented companies. They will finance anything that makes money. And there's nothing wrong with it. The analogy to stage plays does not work in my opinion since by definition they need to be re-staged for every performance. That is what makes film rather unique. It really is a closer analog to novels. So, say the estate of Margaret Mitchell decided that they would commission a rewrite of "Gone With the Wind"...is there a case to do so? Why not? Most stories have basic plots that get told in various ways. This is the same thing I see with movies. The sad thing is that more than in any other era I think originality in films is rare. If remakes take up a significant portion of what is produced we get even less chance of something inventively original being made. First, I don't believe it, and second: So what? Original doesn't necessarily mean good. If I have the choice between watching an original and badly made movie and a well-made movie with a well-known plot, I'll usually choose the well-made movie.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 23, 2018 1:25:45 GMT
"A Clockwork Orange."
Can't imagine how anyone could remake it as well as the original.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 23, 2018 4:35:14 GMT
drystyx Well it would be difficult to approach Nimoy's agent.
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