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Post by darkpast on Sept 22, 2018 6:06:30 GMT
Marvel flopped twice with Hulk and even Star Wars has a huge flop. Yet DCEU is falling apart? Who is controlling the media?
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Post by hobowar on Sept 22, 2018 10:17:27 GMT
Star Wars is Marvel?
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Post by hobowar on Sept 22, 2018 10:20:50 GMT
Justice League was probably the biggest box office disaster in a very long time and caused WB to drastically rethink what they're doing (Again).
FACT!
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Post by damngumby on Sept 22, 2018 12:22:51 GMT
Marvel flopped twice with Hulk and even Star Wars has a huge flop. Yet DCEU is falling apart? Who is controlling the media? There was only one Hulk movie under the control of Marvel, and it has a respectable fresh rating on RT. Something the DCEU has only managed to accomplish once, after five attempts. Yeah ... the DCEU has been an epic failure of biblical proportions. All eyes now turn to Aquaman and his giant seahorse, Reggie, to save the day. |
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Post by politicidal on Sept 22, 2018 15:25:06 GMT
The best way to describe it is disappointing. Especially with what's happening with Superman and Batman atm.
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Post by scabab on Sept 22, 2018 16:28:26 GMT
I'm not sure if Justice Leagie lost money or not in the end but it was a disappointment.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 22, 2018 18:51:52 GMT
Isn't it more critical flops?
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 22, 2018 18:52:31 GMT
They see it as all under Disney. Or should I say as Disney. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 22, 2018 19:15:36 GMT
The third Avengers movie just made three times as much as the first Justice league movie, and you guys still haven't dispelled your hubris?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 22, 2018 19:27:31 GMT
The third Avengers movie just made three times as much as the first Justice league movie, and you guys still haven't dispelled your hubris? The OP isn’t a DC fan. He makes topics like this on every board. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Sept 23, 2018 9:10:33 GMT
I wouldn't say outright flops, Justice League being the closest, but definitely "disappointments". Critical flops (that's a thing right?) for sure.
Like I think we all expected Batman v Superman and Justice League to make more than they did. Suicide Squad was definitely a surprise hit.
Everything for the DCEU does seem to be on an upswing though. I don't exactly count Justice League as happening after Wonder Woman because I feel like the wheels were already in motion for that film and they sort of rethought how they'd do things after WW.
Shazam looks like something everyone will enjoy, while I'm hesitant but hopeful for Aquaman. I thought it looked a bit dull but I'm hoping for some great underwater visuals and hopefully an awesome performance from Jason Momoa. He certainly wasn't one of the problems with JL.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 28, 2018 15:57:14 GMT
I've done this before: If you take the first four movies of each universe and compare them (box office) you'll see that the first four movies of DCEU actually come out ahead. Its not until Justice League that you have an outright flop. The first four DCEU movies did well, proving two things... 1) There is an audience that wants to come out for them and will if they make good movies, and 2) that they can be profitable enough for WB to continue with them.
WB just needs some focus and some balls. This can STILL be a contender universe of franchises.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 28, 2018 20:15:57 GMT
I've done this before: If you take the first four movies of each universe and compare them (box office) you'll see that the first four movies of DCEU actually come out ahead. Its not until Justice League that you have an outright flop. The first four DCEU movies did well, proving two things... 1) There is an audience that wants to come out for them and will if they make good movies, and 2) that they can be profitable enough for WB to continue with them.
WB just needs some focus and some balls. This can STILL be a contender universe of franchises.
Just to follow up, here are the numbers, or as they say in the biz - the actuals, according to BOX OFFICE MOJO:
Title domestic world
DCEU
MOS: $291,045,518 $668,045,518
BvS: $330,360,194 $873,634,919
Squad: $325,100,054 $746,846,894
WW: $412,563,408 $821,847,012
JL: $229,024,295 $657,924,295
MCU
IM: $ 318,412,101 $585,174,222
HULK: $134,806,913 $263,427,551
IM2: $312,433,331 $623,933,331
Cap: $176,654,505 $370,569,774
Thor: $181,030,624 $449,326,618
Here's where it gets interesting! THE MATCHUPS!
MOS: $291,045,518 $668,045,518
IM: $318,412,101 $585,174,222
Winner domestic: IM, Winner world: MOS
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BvS: $330,360,194 $873,634,919
Inc HULK: $134,806,913 $263,427,551
Winner domestic and world: BVS
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Squad: $325,100,054 $746,846,894
IM2: $312,433,331 $623,933,331
Winner domestic and world: Squad
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WW: $412,563,408 $821,847,012
Cap: $176,654,505 $370,569,774
Winner domestic and world: WW
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JL: $229,024,295 $657,924,295
Thor: $181,030,624 $449,326,618
Winner domestic and world: JL
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One tie and 4 wins for DCEU! At this point in both universes evolution (5 movies in) DCEU actually looks pretty good… And don't tell me its not fair. I'm simply matching up the first 5 movies against one another. That's fair enough.
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Post by sostie on Sept 28, 2018 20:46:05 GMT
I've done this before: If you take the first four movies of each universe and compare them (box office) you'll see that the first four movies of DCEU actually come out ahead. Its not until Justice League that you have an outright flop. The first four DCEU movies did well, proving two things... 1) There is an audience that wants to come out for them and will if they make good movies, and 2) that they can be profitable enough for WB to continue with them.
WB just needs some focus and some balls. This can STILL be a contender universe of franchises.
Here's where it gets interesting! THE MATCHUPS!
MOS: $291,045,518 $668,045,518
IM: $318,412,101 $585,174,222
Winner domestic: IM, Winner world: MOS
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BvS: $330,360,194 $873,634,919
Inc HULK: $134,806,913 $263,427,551
Winner domestic and world: BVS
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Squad: $325,100,054 $746,846,894
IM2: $312,433,331 $623,933,331
Winner domestic and world: Squad
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WW: $412,563,408 $821,847,012
Cap: $176,654,505 $370,569,774
Winner domestic and world: WW
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JL: $229,024,295 $657,924,295
Thor: $181,030,624 $449,326,618
Winner domestic and world: JL
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Just to make it a bit more interesting...the production budgets at the end of each line MOS $291,045,518 $668,045,518 $225m IM: $318,412,101 $585,174,222 $140 ------------------------------------------------ BvS: $330,360,194 $873,634,919 $250m Inc HULK:$134,806,913 $263,427,551 $150m ------------------------------------------------ Squad: $325,100,054 $746,846,894 $175m IM2: $312,433,331 $623,933,331 $200m ------------------------------------------------ WW: $412,563,408 $821,847,012 $149m Cap: $176,654,505 $370,569,774 $140m ------------------------------------------------ JL: $229,024,295 $657,924,295 $300m Thor: $181,030,624 $449,326,618 $150m ----------------------------------------------- It doesn't really affect things but it should be Thor v WW and Cap v JL It's also interesting, despite it's amazing success at home the worldwide total for WW did not top any of the 3 MCU films that year And just a bit more on the financials. Domestic bluray/DVD sales DCEU: MOS: $112.2m BvS: $77.7m Squad:$95.1m WW: $103.6m JL: $49m MCU IM: $196.5m HULK:$77.3m IM2: $177.8m Cap: $118m Thor:$82.7m |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 28, 2018 20:51:08 GMT
Here's where it gets interesting! THE MATCHUPS!
MOS: $291,045,518 $668,045,518
IM: $318,412,101 $585,174,222
Winner domestic: IM, Winner world: MOS
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BvS: $330,360,194 $873,634,919
Inc HULK: $134,806,913 $263,427,551
Winner domestic and world: BVS
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Squad: $325,100,054 $746,846,894
IM2: $312,433,331 $623,933,331
Winner domestic and world: Squad
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WW: $412,563,408 $821,847,012
Cap: $176,654,505 $370,569,774
Winner domestic and world: WW
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JL: $229,024,295 $657,924,295
Thor: $181,030,624 $449,326,618
Winner domestic and world: JL
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Just to make it a bit more interesting...the production budgets at the end of each line MOS $291,045,518 $668,045,518 $225m IM: $318,412,101 $585,174,222 $140 ------------------------------------------------ BvS: $330,360,194 $873,634,919 $250m Inc HULK:$134,806,913 $263,427,551 $150m ------------------------------------------------ Squad: $325,100,054 $746,846,894 $175m IM2: $312,433,331 $623,933,331 $200m ------------------------------------------------ WW: $412,563,408 $821,847,012 $149m Cap: $176,654,505 $370,569,774 $140m ------------------------------------------------ JL: $229,024,295 $657,924,295 $300m Thor: $181,030,624 $449,326,618 $150m ----------------------------------------------- It doesn't really affect things but it should be Thor v WW and Cap v JL It's also interesting, despite it's amazing success at home the worldwide total for WW did not top any of the 3 MCU films that year And just a bit more on the financials. Domestic bluray/DVD sales DCEU: MOS: $112.2m BvS: $77.7m Squad:$95.1m WW: $103.6m JL: $49m MCU IM: $196.5m HULK:$77.3m IM2: $177.8m Cap: $118m Thor:$82.7m You're right, the budgets were/are out of control at DCEU. However, that's their problem. What I'm showing is that there was/is interest on the part of the audience, who could care less what a movie costs to make. We just want to see a good movie whether it cost 20 $ to make or 200mill $ to make. |
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Post by sostie on Sept 28, 2018 21:54:54 GMT
You're right, the budgets were/are out of control at DCEU. However, that's their problem. What I'm showing is that there was/is interest on the part of the audience, who could care less what a movie costs to make. We just want to see a good movie whether it cost 20 $ to make or 200mill $ to make. True, but if you are talking whether they are flops, financials are really the only way to tell. Of course audience, and critic, ratings would indicate whether they are flops in any other sense. BO doesn't really indicate the quality of a film...I paid to see Phantom Menace and Avatar and thought they were shit. The video sales may be a slight indicator...seems the DCEU films are not really "keepers" or worth a repeat viewing as much as a lot of MCU films. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 28, 2018 22:25:28 GMT
You're right, the budgets were/are out of control at DCEU. However, that's their problem. What I'm showing is that there was/is interest on the part of the audience, who could care less what a movie costs to make. We just want to see a good movie whether it cost 20 $ to make or 200mill $ to make. True, but if you are talking whether they are flops, financials are really the only way to tell. Of course audience, and critic, ratings would indicate whether they are flops in any other sense. BO doesn't really indicate the quality of a film...I paid to see Phantom Menace and Avatar and thought they were shit. The video sales may be a slight indicator...seems the DCEU films are not really "keepers" or worth a repeat viewing as much as a lot of MCU films. had some phenomenal legs at the box office, and did pretty well on home video. |
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