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Post by petrolino on Sept 22, 2018 20:25:42 GMT
People are often whacked in the head and knocked unconscious in movies. They may conk out slowly or go out like a light. Not sure how realistic this is.
What's the best knockout you've seen in a movie?
Thanks!
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Post by divtal on Sept 22, 2018 20:34:55 GMT
Probably, the most embraced example would be the blow to the head that sent Dorothy to Oz.
I'll have to think about more.
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Post by manfromplanetx on Sept 22, 2018 21:07:06 GMT
Mies vailla menneisyyttä , The Man Without a Past (2002) Produced, written, and directed by Aki Kaurismäki An excellent, highly acclaimed film that tells the tale of an unnamed man who has arrived by train to Helsinki. The man is mugged and beaten by punk hoodlums and is "Knocked Out" severely injured in the head, he loses consciousness & collapses. The man eventually awakens in a hospital and finds that he has lost all memory of his past... Kaurismäki perfects his trademark formula, a wonderfully creative blend of deadpan humour and some uniquely Finnish pathos in this brilliant comedy/drama.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 22, 2018 21:48:44 GMT
Mies vailla menneisyyttä , The Man Without a Past (2002) Produced, written, and directed by Aki Kaurismäki An excellent, highly acclaimed film that tells the tale of an unnamed man who has arrived by train to Helsinki. The man is mugged and beaten by punk hoodlums and is "Knocked Out" severely injured in the head, he loses consciousness & collapses. The man eventually awakens in a hospital and finds that he has lost all memory of his past... Kaurismäki perfects his trademark formula, a wonderfully creative blend of deadpan humour and some uniquely Finnish pathos in this brilliant comedy/drama. I've not seen any of Aki Kaurismaki's films from the 21st century. I'd like to see more of his work, thanks for the highlighting 'The Man Without A Past'.
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Post by teleadm on Sept 22, 2018 23:41:00 GMT
I don't know much of Danny Green, but he certanly played a character that had too many knockout punches in The Ladykillers.
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Post by OldAussie on Sept 22, 2018 23:45:53 GMT
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Post by petrolino on Sept 23, 2018 16:05:58 GMT
It seems there are different variables at work some of the more meticulous film directors would consider when making crime movies. Things like hitting the sweet spots where parts of the head hold direct connections to the brain, the element of surprise, blunt basal head trauma.
A scientific study that's recommended reading in the 'Journal Of Biomechanics' is 'Physical Model Simulations Of Brain Injury In The Primate' by Thomas A. Gennarelli, Susan Sheps Margulies and Lawrence E. Thibault.
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Post by london777 on Sept 23, 2018 17:10:54 GMT
I've not seen any of Aki Kaurismaki's films from the 21st century. I'd like to see more of his work, thanks for the highlighting 'The Man Without A Past'. I am a great fan but I have to admit many of his films are somewhat similar. This is not a criticism. He mines a narrow vein, but mines it deeper. The same could be said of much of Ingmar Bergman's output and he is my favorite director. Anyway, Mies vailla menneisyyttä is my favorite Aki Kaurismäki film, perhaps because it was the first I saw, and I recommend it strongly.
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Post by london777 on Sept 23, 2018 17:18:16 GMT
One interpretation, voiced within the film, of Squadron Leader Peter D Carter's experiences in A Matter of Life and Death (1946) dir: Powell & Pressburger is that they resulted from a blow to the head when bailing out of his burning bomber without a parachute.
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Post by london777 on Sept 23, 2018 17:27:57 GMT
I have just added Murder, My Sweet (1944) dir: Edward Dmytryk to my DVD collection. Marlowe (Dick Powell) gets knocked out two or three times during his quest, resulting in expressionist "dream sequences". It was a common device in Film Noir and the pulp fiction which provided many of the plots. These were the decades when psychiatry first entered popular culture, and Film Noir characters often suffered mental problems caused, or even cured, by blows to the head.
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Post by london777 on Sept 23, 2018 17:50:57 GMT
People are often whacked in the head and knocked unconscious in movies. They may conk out slowly or go out like a light. Not sure how realistic this is.
It has always horrified me how, even in serious and realistic films, characters can be knocked cold, then be right as rain shortly after. Even more absurd is when our hero says, "That should keep him quiet for twenty minutes (or 'an hour', or 'the rest of the night')" as if they had a dial on their fist to calibrate the length of time and force required. I know nothing about medicine, but I do know that the results of such traumas are impossible to predict and depend on numerous factors. People have been killed by fairly light taps, while others can still function fairly normally with massive damage to the skull, as many well-documented war and civil disaster incidents prove. We just have to accept it as a cinema convention but it may be more mischievous than most if it convinces stupid people or children that it is possible to knock someone out "harmlessly". A good example was during the Great Train Robbery (1963) in England (the subject of several movies, as discussed in spiderwort's "Trains" thread). One robber hit the train-driver over the head "to keep him quiet for a bit". Subsequently the driver lived with constant pain and died prematurely. This assault turned public opinion strongly against the robbers and resulted in more severe sentences and, later, opposition to parole or early release.
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Post by kijii on Sept 23, 2018 18:22:18 GMT
People are often whacked in the head and knocked unconscious in movies. They may conk out slowly or go out like a light. Not sure how realistic this is.
What's the best knockout you've seen in a movie?
Thanks!
Just a guess, but I would think it might be in one of the boxing movies. Guys tend to get knocked out but then get up once or twice before a clear-cut KO. The most recent boxing movie I have seen is Robert Wise's The Set-Up (1949) Here, Robert Ryan refuses to "take the fall." So, his KO was more convincing than most. At the very least, it took more than one punch........ On a related subject, which movies are the more convincing about the sound of a fist fight. I like the flesh on flesh sound more than the bum on bum sound. For the flesh on flesh sound, look at fight between Gregory Peck and Charlton Heston in The Big Country (1958) Not only is there a flesh on flesh sound here, but the only audience for this fight seems to be the movie camera: they fight it out on a moonlit night with no one else there to see it. Each falls down and gets up multiple times....
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Post by bravomailer on Sept 23, 2018 19:10:17 GMT
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Post by bravomailer on Sept 23, 2018 19:22:52 GMT
In Deliverance – In order to thwart the investigation, Burt Reynolds claims he was knocked out. He might have been unconscious at one point but not when key events took place.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 24, 2018 17:42:58 GMT
People are often whacked in the head and knocked unconscious in movies. They may conk out slowly or go out like a light. Not sure how realistic this is.
It has always horrified me how, even in serious and realistic films, characters can be knocked cold, then be right as rain shortly after. Even more absurd is when our hero says, "That should keep him quiet for twenty minutes (or an hour, or the rest of the night)" as if they had a dial on the fist to calculate the length of time and force required. I know nothing about medicine, but I do know that the results of such traumas are impossible to predict and depend on numerous factors. People have been killed by fairly light taps, while others can still function fairly normally with massive damage to the skull, as many well-documented war and civil disaster incidents prove. We just have to accept it as a cinema convention but it may be more mischievous than most if it convinces stupid people or children that it is possible to knock someone out "harmlessly". A good example was during the Great Train Robbery (1963) in England (the subject of several movies, as discussed in spiderwort's "Trains" thread). One robber hit the train-driver over the head "to keep him quiet for a bit". Subsequently the driver lived with constant pain and died prematurely. This assault turned public opinion strongly against the robbers and resulted in more severe sentences and, later, opposition to parole or early release.
Hi london. Interesting historical perspective you've added through highlighting a real life case that exposes the shocking effects of head injuries. As a fan of both wrestling entertainment and NFL football I'm acutely aware of the long-term dangers linked to concussion, especially when an athlete suffers multiple concussions of continues to perform while concussed. Fortunately, safety standards are constantly being assessed and improved regarding hits to the head.
I do feel the NFL might have gone a step too far penalising Green Bay Packer Clay Matthews' clean hit on Washington Redskins quarterback Alex Smith this past weekend. They've introduced a rule that tackling linebackers can no longer fall on top of the QB and should roll over before hitting the ground. Matthews isn't a dirty player - he's the son of legendary Cleveland Browns linebacker Clay Matthews.
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