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Post by damngumby on Oct 2, 2018 2:25:16 GMT
the movie really wasn’t about girl power or anything of the sort. Gender politics played virtually no part in the movie. The film wasn’t about fighting the patriarchy or achieving equal rights for women, it was about the protagonist coming to terms with the complexity of human nature. Diana was never under the impression that men as a gender are a problem WWI was a male creation in a male dominated world. It represented all the ugliness of the male gender ... and it needed a pure woman to save the day and put those nasty men in their place. Feminist love that sort of thing. The WW character wasn’t overtly feminist, but the movie certainly tried to play to that audience. On the flip side, the fact that they selected an actress based solely on her looks, someone who couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag, and made her wear that ridiculous costume, is an indication they weren’t 100% in on the feminist thing. Gotta keep those teenage boys happy too!
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 2, 2018 3:05:32 GMT
the movie really wasn’t about girl power or anything of the sort. Gender politics played virtually no part in the movie. The film wasn’t about fighting the patriarchy or achieving equal rights for women, it was about the protagonist coming to terms with the complexity of human nature. Diana was never under the impression that men as a gender are a problem WWI was a male creation in a male dominated world. It represented all the ugliness of the male gender ... and it needed a pure woman to save the day and put those nasty men in their place. Feminist love that sort of thing. The WW character wasn’t overtly feminist, but the movie certainly tried to play to that audience. On the flip side, the fact that they selected an actress based solely on her looks, someone who couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag, and made her wear that ridiculous costume, is an indication they weren’t 100% in on the feminist thing. Gotta keep those teenage boys happy too! You’re really reaching there, especially considering that she didn’t even end the war.
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Post by poelzig on Oct 2, 2018 3:38:47 GMT
the movie really wasn’t about girl power or anything of the sort. Gender politics played virtually no part in the movie. The film wasn’t about fighting the patriarchy or achieving equal rights for women, it was about the protagonist coming to terms with the complexity of human nature. Diana was never under the impression that men as a gender are a problem WWI was a male creation in a male dominated world. It represented all the ugliness of the male gender ... and it needed a pure woman to save the day and put those nasty men in their place. Feminist love that sort of thing. The WW character wasn’t overtly feminist, but the movie certainly tried to play to that audience. On the flip side, the fact that they selected an actress based solely on her looks, someone who couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag, and made her wear that ridiculous costume, is an indication they weren’t 100% in on the feminist thing. Gotta keep those teenage boys happy too! I thought the teenage boys kept the mcu audiences happy......oh wait that would be PRE teen boys. My bad.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 2, 2018 18:07:03 GMT
WWI was a male creation in a male dominated world. It represented all the ugliness of the male gender ... and it needed a pure woman to save the day and put those nasty men in their place. Feminist love that sort of thing. The WW character wasn’t overtly feminist, but the movie certainly tried to play to that audience. On the flip side, the fact that they selected an actress based solely on her looks, someone who couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag, and made her wear that ridiculous costume, is an indication they weren’t 100% in on the feminist thing. Gotta keep those teenage boys happy too! You’re really reaching there, especially considering that she didn’t even end the war. King Kong Shady's posts are always crap. King Kong Shady still believes that Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight and not because he was deflating footballs for Tom Brady to illegally use in games. LOL!!! Have you ever heard anyone who's trying to lose weight call themselves "The Deflator"?
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Post by damngumby on Oct 3, 2018 0:26:38 GMT
WWI was a male creation in a male dominated world. It represented all the ugliness of the male gender ... and it needed a pure woman to save the day and put those nasty men in their place. Feminist love that sort of thing. The WW character wasn’t overtly feminist, but the movie certainly tried to play to that audience. On the flip side, the fact that they selected an actress based solely on her looks, someone who couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag, and made her wear that ridiculous costume, is an indication they weren’t 100% in on the feminist thing. Gotta keep those teenage boys happy too! You’re really reaching there, especially considering that she didn’t even end the war. Arguably, she did ... by killing the man god who was behind it all. But don’t go by what I say, Google will direct you to plenty of articles that explain why women saw WW as a feminist icon.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 3, 2018 0:58:12 GMT
You’re really reaching there, especially considering that she didn’t even end the war. Arguably, she did ... by killing the man god who was behind it all. But don’t go by what I say, Google will direct you to plenty of articles that explain why women saw WW as a feminist icon. Ares wasn’t behind it all, and killing him wasn’t what ended the war. The war ended because of the armistice.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 3, 2018 3:46:57 GMT
Arguably, she did ... by killing the man god who was behind it all. But don’t go by what I say, Google will direct you to plenty of articles that explain why women saw WW as a feminist icon. Ares wasn’t behind it all, and killing him wasn’t what ended the war. The war ended because of the armistice. It's incredible how King Kong Shady doesn't understand that. Then again, King Kong Shady still believes that Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight and not because he was deflating footballs for Tom Brady to illegally use in games. LOL!!!
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 3, 2018 3:54:16 GMT
Ares wasn’t behind it all, and killing him wasn’t what ended the war. The war ended because of the armistice. It's incredible how King Kong Shady doesn't understand that. Then again, King Kong Shady still believes that Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight and not because he was deflating footballs for Tom Brady to illegally use in games. LOL!!! Not really sure what some NFL players have to do with anything.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 3, 2018 11:37:13 GMT
Arguably, she did ... by killing the man god who was behind it all. But don’t go by what I say, Google will direct you to plenty of articles that explain why women saw WW as a feminist icon. Ares wasn’t behind it all, and killing him wasn’t what ended the war. The war ended because of the armistice. You mean Ares was just a McGuffin? ... and Wonder Woman’s crusade to kill him was completely pointless? Oh man, that movie was even worse than I remember!
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Post by damngumby on Oct 3, 2018 11:47:50 GMT
It's incredible how King Kong Shady doesn't understand that. Then again, King Kong Shady still believes that Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight and not because he was deflating footballs for Tom Brady to illegally use in games. LOL!!! Not really sure what some NFL players have to do with anything. It’s just an old sports argument that DC-Fan lost (repeatedly) and he can’t reconcile with that fact ... so he drags it to a superhero board. Maybe he’s hoping he will get better results among a less sports savvy crowd.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 3, 2018 13:09:49 GMT
Ares wasn’t behind it all, and killing him wasn’t what ended the war. The war ended because of the armistice. You mean Ares was just a McGuffin? ... and Wonder Woman’s crusade to kill him was completely pointless? Oh man, that movie was even worse than I remember! you should stick to movies about funny laser-gun battles in WWII and villains defeated by dance offs and magic stones, cupcake. Even if thisguy explains the plot and meaning of WW to you, you would not understand.
MCU is meant for you.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 3, 2018 13:12:47 GMT
Not really sure what some NFL players have to do with anything. It’s just an old sports argument that DC-Fan lost (repeatedly) and he can’t reconcile with that fact ... so he drags it to a superhero board. Maybe he’s hoping he will get better results among a less sports savvy crowd. sounds brutal, a lot like when you got your ass handed to you (repeatedly) in the dance offs with the Ackbars. The circle is complete.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 3, 2018 14:45:46 GMT
Ares wasn’t behind it all, and killing him wasn’t what ended the war. The war ended because of the armistice. You mean Ares was just a McGuffin? ... and Wonder Woman’s crusade to kill him was completely pointless? Oh man, that movie was even worse than I remember! The point was that Diana thought that killing Ares would end the war because she was very naive and overly idealistic. Her whole character arc was how she came to realize that the world is much more grey than she assumed, and that war can’t just be blamed on a single bad person.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 4, 2018 1:07:15 GMT
You mean Ares was just a McGuffin? ... and Wonder Woman’s crusade to kill him was completely pointless? Oh man, that movie was even worse than I remember! The point was that Diana thought that killing Ares would end the war because she was very naive and overly idealistic. Her whole character arc was how she came to realize that the world is much more grey than she assumed, and that war can’t just be blamed on a single bad person. But she killed Ares anyways ... even when it wasn’t nessessary? Is that what you’re saying? Ares is killed and the war suddenly ends ... but it didn’t end because Ares was no longer around to stir the pot, it ended for ... reasons ... that had absolutely nothing to do with WW. Her entire story, and the entire movie, was pointless. I mean, it’s not like she emerged as the superhero she was meant to be in the end. She abandoned mankind for 50 years or so and let some of the worse atrocities the world has ever seen occur while she idly watched. Hey, keep talkin’ man ... this is fascinating! I never realized that WW was that bad!
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 4, 2018 1:53:10 GMT
The point was that Diana thought that killing Ares would end the war because she was very naive and overly idealistic. Her whole character arc was how she came to realize that the world is much more grey than she assumed, and that war can’t just be blamed on a single bad person. But she killed Ares anyways ... even when it wasn’t nessessary? Is that what you’re saying? Ares is killed and the war suddenly ends ... but it didn’t end because Ares was no longer around to stir the pot, it ended for ... reasons ... that had absolutely nothing to do with WW. Her entire story, and the entire movie, was pointless. I mean, it’s not like she emerged as the superhero she was meant to be in the end. She abandoned mankind for 50 years or so and let some of the worse atrocities the world has ever seen occur while she idly watched. Hey, keep talkin’ man ... this is fascinating! I never realized that WW was that bad! Ares wanted to kill humanity, and was trying to kill Diana for not wanting to join him. Ares wasn’t responsible for the war, but he was banking on it killing a bunch of people, and he did provide inspiration for the weapons that Dr. Poison (a woman who happens to be a bad guy) made. Also, Diana took part in a mission to stop the Germans from gassing London, thereby ensuring that the armistice (which is what ended the war) would go through, on top of saving a bunch of lives. She wasnt the one who singlehandedly ended the war, but she helped prevent the deaths of a bunch of people in London, in addition to killing an evil God who wanted humanity dead. She didn’t abandon mankind either.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 4, 2018 3:13:37 GMT
But she killed Ares anyways ... even when it wasn’t nessessary? Is that what you’re saying? Ares is killed and the war suddenly ends ... but it didn’t end because Ares was no longer around to stir the pot, it ended for ... reasons ... that had absolutely nothing to do with WW. Her entire story, and the entire movie, was pointless. I mean, it’s not like she emerged as the superhero she was meant to be in the end. She abandoned mankind for 50 years or so and let some of the worse atrocities the world has ever seen occur while she idly watched. Hey, keep talkin’ man ... this is fascinating! I never realized that WW was that bad! Ares wanted to kill humanity, and was trying to kill Diana for not wanting to join him. Ares wasn’t responsible for the war, but he was banking on it killing a bunch of people, and he did provide inspiration for the weapons that Dr. Poison (a woman who happens to be a bad guy) made. Also, Diana took part in a mission to stop the Germans from gassing London, thereby ensuring that the armistice (which is what ended the war) would go through, on top of saving a bunch of lives. She wasnt the one who singlehandedly ended the war, but she helped prevent the deaths of a bunch of people in London, in addition to killing an evil God who wanted humanity dead. She didn’t abandon mankind either. As you can see, the more King Kong Shady posts, the more he demonstrates his lack of intelligence.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 4, 2018 5:10:52 GMT
But she killed Ares anyways ... even when it wasn’t nessessary? Is that what you’re saying? Ares is killed and the war suddenly ends ... but it didn’t end because Ares was no longer around to stir the pot, it ended for ... reasons ... that had absolutely nothing to do with WW. Her entire story, and the entire movie, was pointless. I mean, it’s not like she emerged as the superhero she was meant to be in the end. She abandoned mankind for 50 years or so and let some of the worse atrocities the world has ever seen occur while she idly watched. Hey, keep talkin’ man ... this is fascinating! I never realized that WW was that bad! Ares wanted to kill humanity, and was trying to kill Diana for not wanting to join him. Ares wasn’t responsible for the war, but he was banking on it killing a bunch of people, and he did provide inspiration for the weapons that Dr. Poison (a woman who happens to be a bad guy) made. Also, Diana took part in a mission to stop the Germans from gassing London, thereby ensuring that the armistice (which is what ended the war) would go through, on top of saving a bunch of lives. She wasnt the one who singlehandedly ended the war, but she helped prevent the deaths of a bunch of people in London, in addition to killing an evil God who wanted humanity dead. She didn’t abandon mankind either. Wait ... so now WW killed Ares ... in self defense? After she spent the entire movie hunting him down so she could kill him? If he didn’t get all megalomaniac in the end, she would have let him live? I could have sworn that Ares was in disguise, secretly manipulating humanity. Now you’re saying that although his master plan was to destroy humanity, WWI was purely a human driven event that occurred without his influence? Oh man, I though Ares was a rather weak villain to begin with but this just adds to his insignificance. You’re saying that WW didn’t end the war ... but if the plot to gas London had succeeded, the armistice would have been shelved and war would have continued. So she did end the war. I mean, that’s good! It would have been a really awful movie if both the villain and the hero were as trivial as you describe. What was she doing between WWI and 1980(ish)? Hibernating?
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Post by damngumby on Oct 4, 2018 5:28:31 GMT
Ares wanted to kill humanity, and was trying to kill Diana for not wanting to join him. Ares wasn’t responsible for the war, but he was banking on it killing a bunch of people, and he did provide inspiration for the weapons that Dr. Poison (a woman who happens to be a bad guy) made. Also, Diana took part in a mission to stop the Germans from gassing London, thereby ensuring that the armistice (which is what ended the war) would go through, on top of saving a bunch of lives. She wasnt the one who singlehandedly ended the war, but she helped prevent the deaths of a bunch of people in London, in addition to killing an evil God who wanted humanity dead. She didn’t abandon mankind either. As you can see, the more King Kong Shady posts, the more he demonstrates his lack of intelligence. You just sit there on the sidelines, cupcake. Hey, if all you’re going to do is make noise, why don’t you entertain us with another one of your stories. It’s been a while since you last told the one about the gang of Patriots fans who sexually molested you in a Hooters parking lot one night, with a variety of sports equipment ... so now you can’t walk properly ... which is the reason you will never set foot in any establishment that serves gay people. The folks on the Sports board got a real chuckle over that one!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 8:34:09 GMT
the movie really wasn’t about girl power or anything of the sort. Gender politics played virtually no part in the movie. The film wasn’t about fighting the patriarchy or achieving equal rights for women, it was about the protagonist coming to terms with the complexity of human nature. Diana was never under the impression that men as a gender are a problem On the flip side, the fact that they selected an actress based solely on her looks, someone who couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag, and made her wear that ridiculous costume, is an indication they weren’t 100% in on the feminist thing. Gotta keep those teenage boys happy too! Considering how many complaints there were over Gal's boobs not being big enough and Alexandra Daddario not getting the role of Wonder Woman you might want to rethink that one 'cause all the teenage boys cared about were the size of Diana's boobs and were angry a busty actress wasn't cast. As for casting on looks do you think 'Thor' would have been as successful if they had cast Triple H in the role (who I heard was a strong contender for the role at one point) over Chris Hemsworth 'cause the majority of people I know only went to see the 'Thor' movies 'cause they think Chris Hemsworth is hot and can't remember much else about them. They even talked about that on 'Studio 10' last year and asked people in the audience who saw 'Ragnarok' all these questions about it and most people couldn't answer them.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 4, 2018 12:25:02 GMT
Considering how many complaints there were over Gal's boobs not being big enough and Alexandra Daddario not getting the role of Wonder Woman you might want to rethink that one 'cause all the teenage boys cared about were the size of Diana's boobs and were angry a busty actress wasn't cast. As for casting on looks do you think 'Thor' would have been as successful if they had cast Triple H in the role (who I heard was a strong contender for the role at one point) over Chris Hemsworth 'cause the majority of people I know only went to see the 'Thor' movies 'cause they think Chris Hemsworth is hot and can't remember much else about them. They even talked about that on 'Studio 10' last year and asked people in the audience who saw 'Ragnarok' all these questions about it and most people couldn't answer them. Good points Deb and while I wasn't lusting after Gadot in any sense—Pine is more my style —I didn't find he had the best chemistry with her. I saw Thor: Ragnarok and loved it so much more than WW and not because of Hemsworth, and I hadn't seen the others, but because it was a fun ride, was visually strong and Hulk was in it. You did not get her point.
Get mine? Thor fragglerock is a tonal mess for uneducated manchildren, pissing on the great Ragnarök myth and even destroying the plot beats set u in the last Thor films, like the relationship and Loki's rise. For what? For Thor becoming a comedian and some cheap 80s pandering. Thor cries lieke a girl when getting a haircut, but he does not care that much when daddy dies or his homeworld exploses - all good enough for a cheap joke.
Talk about casting toasted cheese before the swine!
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