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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 17:36:01 GMT
Interesting. They didn't 'win the division'; however what if they have better records than 3/4 of other division leaders in the MLB? That is the point for the wild card game. If a good team did not win the division, they have a second chance. This year is a rare exception that a 100 win team, Yankees, did not win a division, and this 100 team is only better than only 2/4 other playoff teams. In the pre-wild card days, the team would not even make the playoff. Without the premium of winning the division with a one game do-or-die wild card game, the regular season becomes just is a fight for the playoff instead of winning the division, the drama of being a wildcard is lost, and we won't have two exciting one-game playoff games today. But should it be the point of the Wildcard game? A team that has a better record than 95% of the rest of the league and it's 'Do or Die'? Previously just 1 WC team was granted acceptance into the dance - and their chances to advance did not rely on 1 game. |
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 1, 2018 17:55:15 GMT
That is the point for the wild card game. If a good team did not win the division, they have a second chance. This year is a rare exception that a 100 win team, Yankees, did not win a division, and this 100 team is only better than only 2/4 other playoff teams. In the pre-wild card days, the team would not even make the playoff. Without the premium of winning the division with a one game do-or-die wild card game, the regular season becomes just is a fight for the playoff instead of winning the division, the drama of being a wildcard is lost, and we won't have two exciting one-game playoff games today. But should it be the point of the Wildcard game? A team that has a better record than 95% of the rest of the league and it's 'Do or Die'? Previously just 1 WC team was granted acceptance into the dance - and their chances to advance did not rely on 1 game. The one thing that make the regular season meaningful is winning the division. That 1 WC format was a huge flaw as it ruined the drama towards the end of the season. When the Yankees & Red Sox tied going into the final game one year being both clinched a playoff spot already and that both teams played their B team, it was a flag for the problem of the format that the regular season is not as important anymore as long the team gets into the playoff. That 1 game is a punishment for not trying to win the division. That 1 game takes away the tied breaker so that there are two tie breaking playoff games today. The one game is scary, so the teams today will try the hardest not to play that wildcard game. If you look at football, they play do-or-die playoff game at every round, which is more than baseball. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 18:00:28 GMT
But should it be the point of the Wildcard game? A team that has a better record than 95% of the rest of the league and it's 'Do or Die'? Previously just 1 WC team was granted acceptance into the dance - and their chances to advance did not rely on 1 game. The one thing that make the regular season meaningful is winning the division. That 1 WC format was a huge flaw as it ruined the drama towards the end of the season. When the Yankees & Red Sox tied going into the final game one year being both clinched a playoff spot already and that both teams played their B team, it was a flag for the problem of the format that the regular season is not as important anymore as long the team gets into the playoff. That 1 game is a punishment for not trying to win the division. That 1 game takes away the tied breaker so that there are two tie breaking playoff games today. The one game is scary, so the teams today will try the hardest not to play that wildcard game. If you look at football, they play do-or-die playoff game at every round, which is more than baseball. But is it in fact 'punishment' for not winning the division - or 'punishment' you were dealt a raw deal and in the one other division with an elite team while the rest of the league blows? |
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 1, 2018 18:08:47 GMT
The one thing that make the regular season meaningful is winning the division. That 1 WC format was a huge flaw as it ruined the drama towards the end of the season. When the Yankees & Red Sox tied going into the final game one year being both clinched a playoff spot already and that both teams played their B team, it was a flag for the problem of the format that the regular season is not as important anymore as long the team gets into the playoff. That 1 game is a punishment for not trying to win the division. That 1 game takes away the tied breaker so that there are two tie breaking playoff games today. The one game is scary, so the teams today will try the hardest not to play that wildcard game. If you look at football, they play do-or-die playoff game at every round, which is more than baseball. But is it in fact 'punishment' for not winning the division - or 'punishment' you were dealt a raw deal and in the one other division with an elite team while the rest of the league blows? The situation doesn't happen that often. This year is exception, and I would not call Indians and the A's blows. One game or three games, I would not count the A's out. Lucky that the season ended earlier. A more scary team would have been Tampa Bay Rays. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 18:09:37 GMT
brew crew up on the cubbies now 1-0 in the 4th.
gotta be honest folks - maybe a tiebreaker needs to be 3 games too - let's cut down on the ridiculous exhibition season.
pitchers and catchers already report in feb - make the exhibition 2 weeks tops.
gotta feel for the fans at Wrigley if they're going home empty today......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 18:10:59 GMT
But is it in fact 'punishment' for not winning the division - or 'punishment' you were dealt a raw deal and in the one other division with an elite team while the rest of the league blows? The situation doesn't happen that often. This year is exception, and I would not call Indians and the A's blows. One game or three games, I would not count the A's out. Lucky that the season ended earlier. A more scary team would have been Tampa Bay Rays. but you just made my point for me. what if the As go home after one game? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 18:27:57 GMT
boom goes Rizzo.....
tie game 1-1....
here's my other problem with MLB - why are these 'gem's being played during the day - hope all of Milwaukee and Chicago are playing 'hookie' right now from work...........
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 1, 2018 18:32:35 GMT
The situation doesn't happen that often. This year is exception, and I would not call Indians and the A's blows. One game or three games, I would not count the A's out. Lucky that the season ended earlier. A more scary team would have been Tampa Bay Rays. but you just made my point for me. what if the As go home after one game? No team wants to go out after one game, and that is the great drawback of not winning the division. If the A's do not want to go out after one game, they should try to win the division. Same with the Yankees. If they can't win the division, they have to face the drawback. With this format, baseball is still able to put the premium on winning the division. Unlike NBA or NHL, which I never look at the division standing anymore as I just go straight to the conference standing. In addition, with one game, the wildcard team that move on is also put a disadvantage of setting up the rotation for the next series on without the ace a chance of pitching 2 games. The bottom line is to put on as much disadvantage as possible for the non-division winners. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 18:39:38 GMT
but you just made my point for me. what if the As go home after one game? No team wants to go out after one game, and that is the great drawback of not winning the division. If the A's do not want to go out after one game, they should try to win the division. Same with the Yankees. If they can't win the division, they have to face the drawback. With this format, baseball is still able to put the premium on winning the division. Unlike NBA or NHL, which I never look at the division standing anymore as I just go straight to the conference standing. In addition, with one game, the wildcard team that move on is also put a disadvantage of setting up the rotation for the next series on without the ace a chance of pitching 2 games. The bottom line is to put on as much disadvantage as possible for the non-division winners. Hmm. I look at this stance like- you may have good grades at Penn - but you don't have good enough grades to transfer to Harvard, Yale and Brown - so we're going to give this clown from a 2 year Penn State community campus a scholarship and will let him transfer to the Ivy League and join our eliteness.......... screw the kid from Penn - not our fault he was in an IVY League school too - but just didn't measure up to the cream of the crop in 'our league'..... Why must the As and Yankees be Punished like my example from the Penn student above? what if one division is far far far more superior than the others in baseball? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 1, 2018 19:16:59 GMT
All sports should have teams split up into west and east--so that the eastern teams are usually playing eastern teams and the western teams are usually playing western teams, just to minimize travel and to maximize TV viewing for a team's fanbase. I'd make it so that each team only does two cross-country road trips per season, playing three series each road trip. (Less for NFL)
Get rid of all other structural divisions. Just east and west and that's it. All of this "division" stuff is nonsense. It made more sense when long-distance travel was harder. We don't need divisions any longer. This also avoids that you're playing the same four teams to death in baseball, which gets tiresome.
Playoffs for all sports are the top 8 (or however many is approximately half) teams in the east vs each other and the top 8 (or so) teams in the west vs each other, determined and seeded purely by winning percentages.
Except for the NFL which needs to keep the one and done format for practical reasons, make all playoffs best of five for the first two rounds, then best of seven for the remainder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 19:21:10 GMT
can you imagine if this 'tiebreaker' goes extra innings - i.e. like 16 - and then there's a one game WC playoff tomorrow?
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 1, 2018 19:26:33 GMT
No team wants to go out after one game, and that is the great drawback of not winning the division. If the A's do not want to go out after one game, they should try to win the division. Same with the Yankees. If they can't win the division, they have to face the drawback. With this format, baseball is still able to put the premium on winning the division. Unlike NBA or NHL, which I never look at the division standing anymore as I just go straight to the conference standing. In addition, with one game, the wildcard team that move on is also put a disadvantage of setting up the rotation for the next series on without the ace a chance of pitching 2 games. The bottom line is to put on as much disadvantage as possible for the non-division winners. Hmm. I look at this stance like- you may have good grades at Penn - but you don't have good enough grades to transfer to Harvard, Yale and Brown - so we're going to give this clown from a 2 year Penn State community campus a scholarship and will let him transfer to the Ivy League and join our eliteness.......... screw the kid from Penn - not our fault he was in an IVY League school too - but just didn't measure up to the cream of the crop in 'our league'..... Why must the As and Yankees be Punished like my example from the Penn student above? what if one division is far far far more superior than the others in baseball? You are comparing sports, limited number of teams in an entertainment business, to college entrance with many many potential students in a life important stepping stone. Different situation and scenario. There are always "if". It is not a perfect format, but it did address the flaws in the previous format. Making the wild card game more than 1 game may bring back the flaws from the previous format.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 19:29:46 GMT
Hmm. I look at this stance like- you may have good grades at Penn - but you don't have good enough grades to transfer to Harvard, Yale and Brown - so we're going to give this clown from a 2 year Penn State community campus a scholarship and will let him transfer to the Ivy League and join our eliteness.......... screw the kid from Penn - not our fault he was in an IVY League school too - but just didn't measure up to the cream of the crop in 'our league'..... Why must the As and Yankees be Punished like my example from the Penn student above? what if one division is far far far more superior than the others in baseball? You are comparing sports, limited number of teams in an entertainment business, to college entrance with many many potential students in a life important stepping stone. Different situation and scenario. There are always "if". It is not a perfect format, but it did address the flaws in the previous format. Making the wild card game more than 1 game may bring back the flaws from the previous format.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 1, 2018 19:35:15 GMT
You are comparing sports, limited number of teams in an entertainment business, to college entrance with many many potential students in a life important stepping stone. Different situation and scenario. There are always "if". It is not a perfect format, but it did address the flaws in the previous format. Making the wild card game more than 1 game may bring back the flaws from the previous format.
what were the flaws in the previous format? It rendered the last few weeks meaningless. The division winner and the WC leader behind them could switch spots and all it would mean is one less home game for the WC. They'd rest their entire team. Winning the WC essentially put you right alongside the division winners back then. There was no reason to push to win the division if you had the WC. Now, you definitely want to win the division and not be faced with a one-game do or die scenario. If you want to argue about records and whatnot, or about a great division where the WC winner is actually better than the other 2 division winners, that's fair, but it definitely used to be that once you had the WC spot secured, you coasted and rendered everyone's games worthless for the balance of the season. Can't do that anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 19:41:28 GMT
<--- heart breaking for cubs fans right now - we may never get to see that epic Cubbies/BoSox WS - damn you MLB - damn you to hell!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 19:45:51 GMT
what were the flaws in the previous format? It rendered the last few weeks meaningless. The division winner and the WC leader behind them could switch spots and all it would mean is one less home game for the WC. They'd rest their entire team. Winning the WC essentially put you right alongside the division winners back then. There was no reason to push to win the division if you had the WC. Now, you definitely want to win the division and not be faced with a one-game do or die scenario. If you want to argue about records and whatnot, or about a great division where the WC winner is actually better than the other 2 division winners, that's fair, but it definitely used to be that once you had the WC spot secured, you coasted and rendered everyone's games worthless for the balance of the season. Can't do that anymore. But did you just get to 'coast' if you were a Wildcard team back in the day? What if another team was hot on your heels. I'm thinking there was no coasting involved and you still needed to be on top of your game or you'd be in danger of losing the WC............. Or did the '4th Best' team in the League just get to surf into a playoff spot? |
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Oct 1, 2018 20:16:29 GMT
Cubs have folded, as is tradition.
Don't think they'll do well against Colorado or LA.
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 1, 2018 21:50:33 GMT
It rendered the last few weeks meaningless. The division winner and the WC leader behind them could switch spots and all it would mean is one less home game for the WC. They'd rest their entire team. Winning the WC essentially put you right alongside the division winners back then. There was no reason to push to win the division if you had the WC. Now, you definitely want to win the division and not be faced with a one-game do or die scenario. If you want to argue about records and whatnot, or about a great division where the WC winner is actually better than the other 2 division winners, that's fair, but it definitely used to be that once you had the WC spot secured, you coasted and rendered everyone's games worthless for the balance of the season. Can't do that anymore. But did you just get to 'coast' if you were a Wildcard team back in the day? What if another team was hot on your heels. I'm thinking there was no coasting involved and you still needed to be on top of your game or you'd be in danger of losing the WC............. Or did the '4th Best' team in the League just get to surf into a playoff spot? In the old format, teams clinched at least a wild card coasted through the rest of the season even if they had great chance of winning the division. With this format, they better win the division to avoid that one WC game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 22:11:33 GMT
But did you just get to 'coast' if you were a Wildcard team back in the day? What if another team was hot on your heels. I'm thinking there was no coasting involved and you still needed to be on top of your game or you'd be in danger of losing the WC............. Or did the '4th Best' team in the League just get to surf into a playoff spot? In the old format, teams clinched at least a wild card coasted through the rest of the season even if they had great chance of winning the division. With this format, they better win the division to avoid that one WC game. I guess that's arguable every season depending upon how tight the division race is and how tight the #2 team is in the league to the division leader. But now there's '2 Wild Cards' and the hunter is the hunted. Which is good for competition and makes for awesome drama - You've got to be on your toes as we've seen with play this year to clinch a WC. But does this make it a better product for fans and is this exactly 'fair' to the #1 WC team? I get it to an extent - 'Boo Hoo! There's no crying in baseball' - Want to advance - well just win the game - but to a 1 game elimination is just barbaric when you've invested an entire year to your craft. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 1:05:08 GMT
Somebody mentioned this a long time ago and I wish I could source it but it was too long ago no idea who's idea it was. But they proposed going back to the 4 playoff teams with the 1 wild card team. However the wild card team would have to play every single game on the road in the playoffs. That way they get in but they're still penalized for not winning the division and teams that did are more so rewarded come playoff time.
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