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Post by gameboy on Oct 4, 2018 3:51:58 GMT
It's everywhere no thanks to jackoff SJWs. Heterophobia hurts badly. i mean there are gay men who are feminine who feel threatened by masculine gay men as well. That's not really true. Feminine gay men are usually attracted to masculine gay men. It's the old yin and yang dichotomy. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 4, 2018 4:00:23 GMT
My mother said she already pretty much knew, but I went through a dark phase and got very down, and there was no choice but for me to be open about it in the end. My father started to play this strange victim game himself and project onto me, and my folks can have a tendency to drag me and my sister down whether they are aware of it or not. It is about control issues. I was the one that was feeling oppressed by them, but my father was turning it around to make it about himself at times. It was weird and made it difficult. I then went through a, I can't have you near me phase, because of your behavior. This hurt their pride, and caused more resentment, but I guess I finally stood up to them. How old were you when you told them? I was a late bloomer Gamey, in my late 20's. I didn't live in the same country as my folks, so didn't see them that often, otherwise it would have been something that I would have been open about with them much earlier. I didn't want them near me. |
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Post by gameboy on Oct 4, 2018 4:08:49 GMT
How old were you when you told them? I was a late bloomer Gamey, in my late 20's. I didn't live in the same country as my folks, so didn't see them that often, otherwise it would have been something that I would have been open about with them much earlier. I didn't want them near me. Interesting, so you were already independent. I snuck around in high school and they had no clue. That's why I started cruising parks and tearooms because it was completely anonymous. My older sister told me later they suspected my younger brother because he's very flamboyant. But I was always so dour and showed no signs of effeminacy. When I was 19 I met an older black man and we became lovers. We moved in together. That's when I finally told my mother. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 4, 2018 4:29:59 GMT
How old were you when you told them? I was a late bloomer Gamey, in my late 20's. I didn't live in the same country as my folks, so didn't see them that often, otherwise it would have been something that I would have been open about with them much earlier. I didn't want them near me. I was 36 years old when i told my parents. I was nervous about it and just did it for my own sense of well-being. Other than that, it changed nothing. Of course most of my friends experienced the same thing, the same anxieties, and everybody was always saying "oh, you'll be so glad when you've told your parents. They will get used to it and you'll be surprised at how much you underestimated them, it will be so much better", blah blah... Well, wrong-o! I'm glad I told them for the one single reason above, but my parents are still basically mortified to have a gay son. They are the two most changeless persons I ever hope not to meet. C'est la vie! My dad has still yet to have tried the Filet-O-Fish sandwich at McDonald's. I'm like "Dad, you don't know what you're missing. The tartar sauce is FABULOUS!" |
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Post by gameboy on Oct 4, 2018 4:37:01 GMT
It's everywhere no thanks to jackoff SJWs. Heterophobia hurts badly. This is why I know you're just being a trolling asshole... BECAUSE THERE'S NO WHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE ITS NOT PREFERRABLE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL THAN TO BE HOMOSEXUAL. Homosexuals are still by far one of the most harassed and under represented subsets the WORLD OVER! There is no culture in the world that you can go to escape hate of gay people.
You could find the most Aryan, Nazi, white power asshole, and he'd still side with a black guy against a homosexual if he knew the black guy was hetero.
So, really? You're hurt by something you've never experienced, dumb ass? Whats the point you're trying to make? You didn't like it when you heard some gay person make a joke about a hetero? Is that it? Troll harder, your stupidity is showing...
By the way I'm hetero. I just don't tolerate BS. p.s. I'm also a jackoff SJW snowflake.
There are and have been many societies where homosexuality was not stigmatized. The ancient Greeks and Romans considered homosexuality an act, not an identity. In feudal Japan it was the norm for samurai to have male lovers. In some societies special niches are created for homosexuals. Good examples would be the Catholic clergy and Buddhist monks. Only in the Judeo-Christian West and Islamic Middle East has there been the systematic hatred and oppression of homosexuals. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 4, 2018 9:41:36 GMT
I was a late bloomer Gamey, in my late 20's. I didn't live in the same country as my folks, so didn't see them that often, otherwise it would have been something that I would have been open about with them much earlier. I didn't want them near me.
Of course most of my friends experienced the same thing, the same anxieties, and everybody was always saying "oh, you'll be so glad when you've told your parents. They will get used to it and you'll be surprised at how much you underestimated them, it will be so much better", blah blah... Well, wrong-o! I'm glad I told them for the one single reason above, but my parents are still basically mortified to have a gay son. They are the two most changeless persons I ever hope not to meet. C'est la vie! My dad has still yet to have tried the Filet-O-Fish sandwich at McDonald's. I'm like "Dad, you don't know what you're missing. The tartar sauce is FABULOUS!" All family dynamic is different and since I wasn't comfortable with myself and being around them, knowing their attitudes and rigidity, I was trying to prevent the fear of any upheaval in my life—which happened anyway—and also a massive fight. I really wanted to tear them down. I suppose the way it happened with me, and it was a tumultuous affair which I don't care to get into as it is now past, at least prevented the massive showdown I was fearful off and it ended up being eased into. There was still plenty of resentment on both sides and the fear and oppression that my folks instilled into me, and I am not so sure that I can wholly forgive them, there is still this lack of respect I hold towards them and haven't been able to alter, even though I still have love for them.
I spoke to my folks today and I can sense the judgement emanating from my mother's tone and aloof manner down the phone, like she is attempting to draw something from me. She doesn't know how to fully engage, or have a genuine positivity to match those that she can be communicating with. It is too challenging for her and she goes into denial because she is simpleminded and lacks self worth and self-awareness about her own life. Or if she does, she is fearful of it. This is where the lack of confidence in herself was instilled into my sister and me.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 4, 2018 11:19:09 GMT
This is why I know you're just being a trolling asshole... BECAUSE THERE'S NO WHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE ITS NOT PREFERRABLE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL THAN TO BE HOMOSEXUAL. Homosexuals are still by far one of the most harassed and under represented subsets the WORLD OVER! There is no culture in the world that you can go to escape hate of gay people.
You could find the most Aryan, Nazi, white power asshole, and he'd still side with a black guy against a homosexual if he knew the black guy was hetero.
So, really? You're hurt by something you've never experienced, dumb ass? Whats the point you're trying to make? You didn't like it when you heard some gay person make a joke about a hetero? Is that it? Troll harder, your stupidity is showing...
By the way I'm hetero. I just don't tolerate BS. p.s. I'm also a jackoff SJW snowflake.
There are and have been many societies where homosexuality was not stigmatized. The ancient Greeks and Romans considered homosexuality an act, not an identity. In feudal Japan it was the norm for samurai to have male lovers. In some societies special niches are created for homosexuals. Good examples would be the Catholic clergy and Buddhist monks. Only in the Judeo-Christian West and Islamic Middle East has there been the systematic hatred and oppression of homosexuals. I guess the point was that today there isn't. Catholic Clergy and Buddhist monks don't quite rate either, because to the followers of these beliefs, they are supposed to be celibate, homo or hetero, and with Catholicism, homosexuality dare not rear its ugly head. |
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Post by nausea on Oct 4, 2018 13:00:47 GMT
I'm going to be thinking about this when I go to bed tonight
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Post by Doghouse6 on Oct 4, 2018 14:43:44 GMT
...doesn't exist.
But apparently being a stupid ass does.
... without heterosexuals, we'd be extinct. Your premise is faulty. Gay men and lesbian women are perfectly capable of reproducing in the usual manner. It's simply that we don't do it for recreation, or by accident. |
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 4, 2018 15:03:29 GMT
That girl Deb – who I think has deleted her own account – and her girlfriend/wife are pretty prejudiced toward straight men. There wasn't a single discussion on this board where they didn't drag their sexuality into the conversation; no matter how irrelevant. They were always looking for an opportunity to bash.
Toasted Cheese borders on it sometimes.
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Post by gameboy on Oct 5, 2018 2:07:49 GMT
There are and have been many societies where homosexuality was not stigmatized. The ancient Greeks and Romans considered homosexuality an act, not an identity. In feudal Japan it was the norm for samurai to have male lovers. In some societies special niches are created for homosexuals. Good examples would be the Catholic clergy and Buddhist monks. Only in the Judeo-Christian West and Islamic Middle East has there been the systematic hatred and oppression of homosexuals. I guess the point was that today there isn't. Catholic Clergy and Buddhist monks don't quite rate either, because to the followers of these beliefs, they are supposed to be celibate, homo or hetero, and with Catholicism, homosexuality dare not rear its ugly head. There aren't any major homophobia-free societies because the West has influenced the entire world through colonialism and Christianity. And then again through Marxism and Communist countries are all very homophobic. Thailand was never colonized by the West. It also seems to be very 'gay friendly'. And there are tribes in New Guinea where every boy goes through homosexual initiation rites. Meh about homosexuality and the clergy. You miss the point. Have you seen "The Name of the Rose"? Those monks were allover each other. But seriously, the Catholic and Buddhist clergies are refuges for homosexuals and always have been despite what the rules say. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 7, 2018 22:44:12 GMT
This is why I know you're just being a trolling asshole... BECAUSE THERE'S NO WHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE ITS NOT PREFERRABLE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL THAN TO BE HOMOSEXUAL. Homosexuals are still by far one of the most harassed and under represented subsets the WORLD OVER! There is no culture in the world that you can go to escape hate of gay people.
You could find the most Aryan, Nazi, white power asshole, and he'd still side with a black guy against a homosexual if he knew the black guy was hetero.
So, really? You're hurt by something you've never experienced, dumb ass? Whats the point you're trying to make? You didn't like it when you heard some gay person make a joke about a hetero? Is that it? Troll harder, your stupidity is showing...
By the way I'm hetero. I just don't tolerate BS. p.s. I'm also a jackoff SJW snowflake.
And like I often bring up lenlen, that if one is black and gay, they have a double whammy to contend with. Racism and bigotry of homosexuality operates on a different dynamic, because the homophobia exists in ALL cultures, like you have expressed. ^^^THIS^^^ |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 7, 2018 22:47:34 GMT
This is why I know you're just being a trolling asshole... BECAUSE THERE'S NO WHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE ITS NOT PREFERRABLE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL THAN TO BE HOMOSEXUAL. Homosexuals are still by far one of the most harassed and under represented subsets the WORLD OVER! There is no culture in the world that you can go to escape hate of gay people.
You could find the most Aryan, Nazi, white power asshole, and he'd still side with a black guy against a homosexual if he knew the black guy was hetero.
So, really? You're hurt by something you've never experienced, dumb ass? Whats the point you're trying to make? You didn't like it when you heard some gay person make a joke about a hetero? Is that it? Troll harder, your stupidity is showing...
By the way I'm hetero. I just don't tolerate BS. p.s. I'm also a jackoff SJW snowflake.
There are and have been many societies where homosexuality was not stigmatized. The ancient Greeks and Romans considered homosexuality an act, not an identity. In feudal Japan it was the norm for samurai to have male lovers. In some societies special niches are created for homosexuals. Good examples would be the Catholic clergy and Buddhist monks. Only in the Judeo-Christian West and Islamic Middle East has there been the systematic hatred and oppression of homosexuals. Gameboy, are you denying that there is more hatred for gay's the world over, than there is acceptance? I have absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind that there is more hatred for gays then there is love. Unfortunately. |
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Post by gameboy on Oct 8, 2018 1:34:59 GMT
There are and have been many societies where homosexuality was not stigmatized. The ancient Greeks and Romans considered homosexuality an act, not an identity. In feudal Japan it was the norm for samurai to have male lovers. In some societies special niches are created for homosexuals. Good examples would be the Catholic clergy and Buddhist monks. Only in the Judeo-Christian West and Islamic Middle East has there been the systematic hatred and oppression of homosexuals. Gameboy, are you denying that there is more hatred for gay's the world over, than there is acceptance? I have absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind that there is more hatred for gays then there is love. Unfortunately. Yes I agree. The West has spread Christianity and Western social values allover the world through colonialism. And remember that even ideas like Marxism in China and North Korea are Western. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2018 9:14:12 GMT
That girl Deb – who I think has deleted her own account – and her girlfriend/wife are pretty prejudiced toward straight men. There wasn't a single discussion on this board where they didn't drag their sexuality into the conversation; no matter how irrelevant. They were always looking for an opportunity to bash. Toasted Cheese borders on it sometimes. Well, I guess when the majority of bashing comes from the hets, it is just a recourse by some gay people to delineate what gets taken for granted by straight people. Hets are the ones that are creating the homophobia and they are the ones doing the breeding as well, which creates both homo and hetero beings.
If my sexuality is relevant to the topic, it will crop up, like on this thread, so I don't see what your issue is here. I agree that sexuality isn't the be all end all, but ignorant attitudes can provoke as well. Unless one is gay, any straight person that doesn't know what the experience is of outside looking in for the most part, need to show a little more respect.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2018 9:20:40 GMT
I guess the point was that today there isn't. Catholic Clergy and Buddhist monks don't quite rate either, because to the followers of these beliefs, they are supposed to be celibate, homo or hetero, and with Catholicism, homosexuality dare not rear its ugly head. There aren't any major homophobia-free societies because the West has influenced the entire world through colonialism and Christianity. And then again through Marxism and Communist countries are all very homophobic. Thailand was never colonized by the West. It also seems to be very 'gay friendly'. And there are tribes in New Guinea where every boy goes through homosexual initiation rites. Meh about homosexuality and the clergy. You miss the point. Have you seen "The Name of the Rose"? Those monks were allover each other. But seriously, the Catholic and Buddhist clergies are refuges for homosexuals and always have been despite what the rules say. Most people are not going to think gay before straight, even with the Catholic clergy, so while we know that the celibacy rule isn't always adhered too, Catholicism is still largely anti-homo, regardless of their church being perceived as a sanctuary for gay clergy. What irony aye! And if one is taking a celibacy vow, then the sexuality of the priesthood should be irrelevant, because they are supposed to deny it. |
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 8, 2018 9:46:13 GMT
I have no idea if it exists, but all I know is that I'm 50 and I've never encountered it.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 8, 2018 15:15:08 GMT
That girl Deb – who I think has deleted her own account – and her girlfriend/wife are pretty prejudiced toward straight men. There wasn't a single discussion on this board where they didn't drag their sexuality into the conversation; no matter how irrelevant. They were always looking for an opportunity to bash. Toasted Cheese borders on it sometimes. Well, I guess when the majority of bashing comes from the hets, it is just a recourse by some gay people to delineate what gets taken for granted by straight people. Hets are the ones that are creating the homophobia and they are the ones doing the breeding as well, which creates both homo and hetero beings.
If my sexuality is relevant to the topic, it will crop up, like on this thread, so I don't see what your issue is here. I agree that sexuality isn't the be all end all, but ignorant attitudes can provoke as well. Unless one is gay, any straight person that doesn't know what the experience is of outside looking in for the most part, need to show a little more respect.
You're not exactly helping yourself with terms like this. Hets? Breeders? Who talks like this? You don't think there is a certain air or tone when you speak like this? It's not the only time either. You generally look down on straight people and their traditional lifestyle choices (kids):
And this? Parenting is a hetero responsibility?! I do think you're kidding part of the time, but you do see some pretty whacked out in derogatory remarks towards us lowly “breeders”.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2018 21:42:25 GMT
Well, I guess when the majority of bashing comes from the hets, it is just a recourse by some gay people to delineate what gets taken for granted by straight people. Hets are the ones that are creating the homophobia and they are the ones doing the breeding as well, which creates both homo and hetero beings.
If my sexuality is relevant to the topic, it will crop up, like on this thread, so I don't see what your issue is here. I agree that sexuality isn't the be all end all, but ignorant attitudes can provoke as well. Unless one is gay, any straight person that doesn't know what the experience is of outside looking in for the most part, need to show a little more respect.
You're not exactly helping yourself with terms like this. Hets? Breeders? Who talks like this? You don't think there is a certain air or tone when you speak like this? It's not the only time either. You generally look down on straight people and their traditional lifestyle choices (kids):
And this? Parenting is a hetero responsibility?! I do think you're kidding part of the time, but you do see some pretty whacked out in derogatory remarks towards us lowly “breeders”.
While I am generalizing, yes I can look down on those that think they are het\breeder superior over the second class, or even third class citizenship that is afforded to homosexuality in society. That is my prerogative, just as it is a prerogative of those that feel they are 'normal'. While not all hets are homophobic, that is their misfortune they weren't born homosuperior. 
breeder
[bree-der]
noun
an animal, plant, or person that produces offspring or reproduces.
a person who raises animals or plants primarily for breeding purposes.
If one want to get precious over the noun breeding—which is what hets are doing—or get precious over being called a breeder, when this is what hets do and is a consequence of straight sex, please offer me another term that is more appropriate.
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Post by gameboy on Oct 9, 2018 3:21:16 GMT
There aren't any major homophobia-free societies because the West has influenced the entire world through colonialism and Christianity. And then again through Marxism and Communist countries are all very homophobic. Thailand was never colonized by the West. It also seems to be very 'gay friendly'. And there are tribes in New Guinea where every boy goes through homosexual initiation rites. Meh about homosexuality and the clergy. You miss the point. Have you seen "The Name of the Rose"? Those monks were allover each other. But seriously, the Catholic and Buddhist clergies are refuges for homosexuals and always have been despite what the rules say. Most people are not going to think gay before straight, even with the Catholic clergy, so while we know that the celibacy rule isn't always adhered too, Catholicism is still largely anti-homo, regardless of their church being perceived as a sanctuary for gay clergy. What irony aye! And if one is taking a celibacy vow, then the sexuality of the priesthood should be irrelevant, because they are supposed to deny it. You must look at human cultures as they exist in reality, with all their beauty and their ugliness. Traditionally in India there have been transsexuals called hijra, who castrate themselves to live as women and prostitute themselves for heterosexual males. Not a nice and liberated role IMHO for queer people. Yet this is how Hindus found an outlet for transsexuals. A similar oppressive dynamic occurred in Medieval Catholic societies with the priesthood. It attracted homosexual males and females who could not or would not marry and have children. Yet the society found a safe harbor for these non-conforming people. To this day the Catholic clergy is still overwhelming homosexual. It is what it is. |
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