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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 7, 2018 7:31:52 GMT
Adult and child. You are dealing with two different species. None of what occurs, outside of abuse, is either one's fault I just know for me, when I was a child (and even as an adult too since I always have looked much younger than I am) that I've had adults treat me disrespectfully when I had done nothing to deserve it. For example, if I was having a discussion with an adult and was able to prove a point in a respectful manner, I would now be called a smart-ass or be told to respect my elders and all because they didn't have any other point to make back to me. I have an aunt who does this often. So I really do believe that respect works both ways. Oh, my parents and the family I was close too were old guineas. You think I had a shot making a point? It made me fight harder, and had a positive effect on my life. Who gives a shit what anybody else thinks when you think you're right. |
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Post by QueenB on Oct 7, 2018 7:58:32 GMT
I just know for me, when I was a child (and even as an adult too since I always have looked much younger than I am) that I've had adults treat me disrespectfully when I had done nothing to deserve it. For example, if I was having a discussion with an adult and was able to prove a point in a respectful manner, I would now be called a smart-ass or be told to respect my elders and all because they didn't have any other point to make back to me. I have an aunt who does this often. So I really do believe that respect works both ways. Oh, my parents and the family I was close too were old guineas. You think I had a shot making a point? It made me fight harder, and had a positive effect on my life. Who gives a shit what anybody else thinks when you think you're right. Same here, it's just frustrating though. |
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Post by deembastille on Oct 7, 2018 10:11:51 GMT
It's absolutely possible, yes. Especially if the adult is not mature enough themselves and has no right to tell off a child. Some children are smarter than adults and it is the adults who should look up to those children. That is not reality Most children are quicker on the take than what most adults like. You can't BS a kid anymore (not talking about the tooth fairy or Santa Claus). They know BS when they see/hear it nowadays. |
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Post by Roberto on Oct 7, 2018 11:41:08 GMT
What are you talking about? If an adult is not mature, there is more of a chance of him disrespecting (and I'd really like a definition of this disrespecting thing) a child. Yeah. I am not great with children either. I guess treating them like a lesser person. Talking down to them. Dismissing anything they say. Assuming they are dumb etc |
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Post by deembastille on Oct 7, 2018 17:40:51 GMT
If an adult is not mature, there is more of a chance of him disrespecting (and I'd really like a definition of this disrespecting thing) a child. Yeah. I am not great with children either. I guess treating them like a lesser person. Talking down to them. Dismissing anything they say. Assuming they are dumb etc You can't explain it anymore. It depends on the child and who/what is raising him or her. Many children, starting younger and younger are now told all sorts of things that children just should not know about. No 4year old should know about CPS and children can call themselves. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 8, 2018 1:30:37 GMT
Sure, I gave jessrebel all kinds of disrespect yesterday.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 12, 2018 18:27:37 GMT
An adult might not behave the way they should, but is that disrespect? This insinuates that children don't deserve respect. Is that your stance? Do you have a cut-off age? |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 12, 2018 19:10:56 GMT
An adult might not behave the way they should, but is that disrespect? This insinuates that children don't deserve respect. Is that your stance? Do you have a cut-off age? Respect is something that is earned. To disrespect a child, the child would have had to earned some respect to begin with. Describe the respect children deserve. Remember, respect. |
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Post by Jokers_Wilde on Oct 12, 2018 19:59:44 GMT
Iff (if and ONLY if) he/she is disrespected first.
I'm thinking when I'm holding the door for someone or someone is holding the door for me.
In the latter, I always say thank you. If I'm several feet behind, and I see someone holding the door open for me, I do a little jog so as not to keep the person waiting. I add a chuckle, and say thank you.
In the former, one could imagine how many times I have held a door open for someone, and they didn't say thank you.
My little disrespect is that when they pass by, I say under my breath....you're welcome.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 12, 2018 20:05:47 GMT
Iff (if and ONLY if) he/she is disrespected first.
I'm thinking when I'm holding the door for someone or someone is holding the door for me.
In the latter, I always say thank you. If I'm several feet behind, and I see someone holding the door open for me, I do a little jog so as not to keep the person waiting. I add a chuckle, and say thank you.
In the former, one could imagine how many times I have held a door open for someone, and they didn't say thank you.
My little disrespect is that when they pass by, I say under my breath....you're welcome.
Joker's Wilde
Wouldn't that fall under 'gratitude'? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 12, 2018 20:42:45 GMT
This insinuates that children don't deserve respect. Is that your stance? Do you have a cut-off age? Respect is something that is earned. To disrespect a child, the child would have had to earned some respect to begin with. Describe the respect children deserve. Remember, respect. Oh cut the crap. You don't run around treating people, child or not, like whatever because "they haven't earned respect". That's a bunch o' nonsense. EVERYONE deserves common respect and decency.
I'll tell you what though, if I saw anyone treating my kid like shit because "they're just a kid, and haven't earned respect" they'd soon earn my foot up their ass.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 12, 2018 20:46:01 GMT
Respect is something that is earned. To disrespect a child, the child would have had to earned some respect to begin with. Describe the respect children deserve. Remember, respect. Oh cut the crap. You don't run around treating people, child or not, like whatever because "they haven't earned respect". That's a bunch o' nonsense. EVERYONE deserves common respect and decency.
I'll tell you what though, if I saw anyone treating my kid like shit because "they're just a kid, and haven't earned respect" they'd soon earn my foot up their ass.
Excuse me, but WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with respect?  ? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 12, 2018 20:48:05 GMT
Oh cut the crap. You don't run around treating people, child or not, like whatever because "they haven't earned respect". That's a bunch o' nonsense. EVERYONE deserves common respect and decency.
I'll tell you what though, if I saw anyone treating my kid like shit because "they're just a kid, and haven't earned respect" they'd soon earn my foot up their ass.
Excuse me, but WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with respect? ? Let me know when you figure it out. With your initial response I have a feeling it'll be a while. You haven't "earned" the answer. LOL |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 12, 2018 20:51:03 GMT
So it's not 'child abuse', it's 'child disrespect'.
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Post by deembastille on Oct 12, 2018 23:49:16 GMT
Respect being earned is basically saying: I respect you and you respect me.
That's it.
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Post by Jokers_Wilde on Oct 15, 2018 13:46:25 GMT
Iff (if and ONLY if) he/she is disrespected first.
I'm thinking when I'm holding the door for someone or someone is holding the door for me.
In the latter, I always say thank you. If I'm several feet behind, and I see someone holding the door open for me, I do a little jog so as not to keep the person waiting. I add a chuckle, and say thank you.
In the former, one could imagine how many times I have held a door open for someone, and they didn't say thank you.
My little disrespect is that when they pass by, I say under my breath....you're welcome.
Joker's Wilde
Wouldn't that fall under 'gratitude'?
Or common courtesy. Still - if someone is going out of their way for me, at least I acknowledge the effort.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 15, 2018 18:56:46 GMT
Wouldn't that fall under 'gratitude'?
Or common courtesy. Still - if someone is going out of their way for me, at least I acknowledge the effort.
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But it has nothing to do with respect |
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Post by deembastille on Oct 16, 2018 0:02:21 GMT
Or common courtesy. Still - if someone is going out of their way for me, at least I acknowledge the effort.
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But it has nothing to do with respect i understand where you're coming from but I feel the need to mention that many people nowadays don't acknowledge effort of any kind. succeed or suck. do. there is no try sort of thing. acknowledging someone's effort in anything, is being respectful. there is also a widespread lack of respect in society today. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 16, 2018 1:15:40 GMT
But it has nothing to do with respect i understand where you're coming from but I feel the need to mention that many people nowadays don't acknowledge effort of any kind. succeed or suck. do. there is no try sort of thing. acknowledging someone's effort in anything, is being respectful. there is also a widespread lack of respect in society today. I am one of the laziest men you could ever meet. I hate people in general. I don't give a shit about shit. I certainly don't respect other people, as respect is something that is earned. But I will definitely hold a door or an elevator for a person, help someone that has fallen, and on occasion will help person if they are struggling carrying things (I did this more often before my back problems, and helping someone carrying things, that was mostly for women). For these acts I expected gratitude, not respect, and whether or not I got a 'Thank You' made no difference. And I did not do those things out of respect for humanity. They were instinctive, and I certainly didn't expect to be respected for them. Also, I almost never try to break up a fight. After getting my ass kicked a few times as a youth, I was determined never to get hit with a punch that wasn't meant for me. |
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Post by deembastille on Oct 16, 2018 1:47:15 GMT
i understand where you're coming from but I feel the need to mention that many people nowadays don't acknowledge effort of any kind. succeed or suck. do. there is no try sort of thing. acknowledging someone's effort in anything, is being respectful. there is also a widespread lack of respect in society today. I am one of the laziest men you could ever meet. I hate people in general. I don't give a shit about shit. I certainly don't respect other people, as respect is something that is earned. But I will definitely hold a door or an elevator for a person, help someone that has fallen, and on occasion will help person if they are struggling carrying things (I did this more often before my back problems, and helping someone carrying things, that was mostly for women). For these acts I expected gratitude, not respect, and whether or not I got a 'Thank You' made no difference. And I did not do those things out of respect for humanity. They were instinctive, and I certainly didn't expect to be respected for them. Also, I almost never try to break up a fight. After getting my ass kicked a few times as a youth, I was determined never to get hit with a punch that wasn't meant for me. I know about not expecting to be respected for doing humanitarian things. however, who taught you to help someone who has fallen? a parent or grandparent or teacher, right? These things are LEARNED. all behaviors are learned by some form or another: whether intentional like school learning or good advice, or unintentional: swearing. some are positive behaviors like 'ladies first' or negative like: licking a bowl of icing. as great as licking icing is, you do this often enough where no one is telling you 'we really shouldn't do this' and you get used to doing it and don't know it is wrong. I once saw a kid in my class when were doing COOKSHOP [can't get into what that is now] lick the cutting mat he was using. in second grade he should kind of known better but he was never really taught about public and private kitchen 'sneaks'. The food we were making was communal: it gets put into a big bowl and we all cut things up and put in ingredients. so for him to stick his face down to the food on his mat and lick it off the mat is just not appropriate and instinctive for him because he was obviously never told not to. nowadays, we have many people who expect respect while treating you like crap. they shit on our heads we're supposed to say thanks for the hat. |
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