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Post by Proud MGTOW on Oct 8, 2018 1:04:37 GMT
This is, what, the third different continuity in the franchise?
Oh we didn't like where we went in 4, 5, and 6, so let's just pretend that only the first two films happened.
Oh now we don't like where the H20/Resurrection continuity went. So let's just do remakes.
Oh the remakes sucked. Let's do ANOTHER reboot. Except now, even Halloween 2 didn't happen either.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 8, 2018 1:06:59 GMT
The worst thing about it is they hoopla around it. The media BS. That is the real horror story. Corporate lameness.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 8, 2018 1:23:19 GMT
Fourth. Halloween III exists in a continuity where Halloween 1 is just a movie.
A lot of people including myself don't like the sister/family bloodline twist, so you can consider making a sequel for us the point.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 8, 2018 2:12:46 GMT
Who cares if it’s “pointless”? The only thing that matters is if it’s good.
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Post by James on Oct 8, 2018 2:26:57 GMT
It’s a mess of a series, but that’s why I think it’s interesting. The new movie looks to be in spirit with the original, with a modern take.
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Post by theshape25 on Oct 8, 2018 5:12:46 GMT
I agree that the series is a mess, but I do like the fact that they are getting rid of the sister plot, which in my opinion totally wrecked the Myers character. Carpenter spent most of the first movie portraying Myers as a force of nature, pure evil, and giving the illusion that everyone in Haddonfield was in danger. Then in the second he pulls the rug out from under that and made it to where the only person who is in any sort of danger is Laurie and anyone unlucky enough to he around her.
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Post by forca84 on Oct 8, 2018 21:21:29 GMT
Welp they are already planning more sequels. Kinda kills the hype for me. But that's business. Couldn't imagine Blumhouse to make just one "Halloween" film.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 5:52:10 GMT
It ended with Halloween 2 - 81' and the sister\bloodline subplot gave Myers more of a motive as well. It was one of the first slasher sequels and they upped the ante and also gave us a bit of a plot twist. This new one will now ignore all of that and even Zombie put the sister twist in his reboots. The film could be interesting, but like someone has already mentioned, it is a mess of a series. Yeah. I agree with you about the sister/bloodline subplot giving Michael Myers more of a motive and that also worked in 'Halloween 4 and 5' with Jamie Lloyd being Michael Myers niece and I personally think adding that set it apart from a lot of other Horror movies 'cause there are a lot of movies where a character is being chased after by a psychopathic killer but few where that killer is the character's brother or Uncle and if they are going to ignore sequels I would have preferred a sequel to 'Halloween 5' which brought back Danielle Harris as a grownup Jamie Loyd with her Mother, Laurie Strode but I am still looking forward to seeing the movie. That being said I always saw 'Halloween 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 as the original timeline due to Dr Loomis who appeared in all of them and from what I read 'Halloween H20' only happened 'cause Donald Pleasence passed away and Paul Rudd wasn't willing to come back for 7. That lead to them getting Jaime Lee Curtis back to play Laurie Strode again. Interestingly enough too, 'Halloween H20' was never meant to ignore the events of 4, 5 and 6 and there was a deleted scene where Jaime Lloyd's name is mentioned in a report of all the victims Michael has killed and it showed scenes of 'Halloween 4, 5 and 6' and Laurie hears it and runs to the toilet and throws up. The scene was removed due to time and had it not been removed 'H20' would have existed in the original timeline.
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Post by theshape25 on Oct 9, 2018 20:16:02 GMT
Welp they are already planning more sequels. Kinda kills the hype for me. But that's business. Couldn't imagine Blumhouse to make just one "Halloween" film. I figured there would be more. It doesn't really make sense to buy the rights and just make a one and done movie. The only way that happens is if it bombs.
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Post by rogerthat on Oct 10, 2018 1:53:47 GMT
Oh we didn't like where we went in 4, 5, and 6, so let's just pretend that only the first two films happened. But from what I understand only the first film happened. Part 2 is one of the sequels that don't exist in this universe
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 0:46:07 GMT
I honestly don't care at this point. Bring on Michael in Space, for Christ's sake.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 0:47:20 GMT
Also, the movie exists to make money, so it's not "totally pointless."
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 15, 2018 13:03:27 GMT
Yeah. I agree with you about the sister/bloodline subplot giving Michael Myers more of a motive and that also worked in 'Halloween 4 and 5' with Jamie Lloyd being Michael Myers niece and I personally think adding that set it apart from a lot of other Horror movies 'cause there are a lot of movies where a character is being chased after by a psychopathic killer but few where that killer is the character's brother or Uncle and if they are going to ignore sequels I would have preferred a sequel to 'Halloween 5' which brought back Danielle Harris as a grownup Jamie Loyd with her Mother, Laurie Strode but I am still looking forward to seeing the movie. That being said I always saw 'Halloween 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 as the original timeline due to Dr Loomis who appeared in all of them and from what I read 'Halloween H20' only happened 'cause Donald Pleasence passed away and Paul Rudd wasn't willing to come back for 7. That lead to them getting Jaime Lee Curtis back to play Laurie Strode again. Interestingly enough too, 'Halloween H20' was never meant to ignore the events of 4, 5 and 6 and there was a deleted scene where Jaime Lloyd's name is mentioned in a report of all the victims Michael has killed and it showed scenes of 'Halloween 4, 5 and 6' and Laurie hears it and runs to the toilet and throws up. The scene was removed due to time and had it not been removed 'H20' would have existed in the original timeline. In the new Halloween trailer—and they really needed a subtitle to go with it, so are they attempting to pass it off as the definitive Halloween of the millennial generation, so they can get it right this time by making more sequels? —one of the characters mentions that the Strode sister connection was just a myth made up by someone, so if that is the case, then how do they explain Loomis and Myers getting exploded into a ball of fire and killed at the end of H2. Did Myers not even go on his hospital reign of terror? Even the tag line said.....They couldn't stop him, now he's back. Was it someone else doing the killing? Pffffttt! Did Laurie not even go to the hospital after surviving? Did she not end up changing her name and running a private school and had a son?
As far as I'm concerned, Strode is Myers sister and all the sequels alluded to that as well. That said, I'm glad H20 didn't exist in the original timeline. As far as I was concerned, Myers was killed off in 2 and 4, 5 and 6 were pretty abysmal. H20, I saw it as Strode's manifestation of her brother back into her life, due to not letting go. It wasn't really Michael, but just some other copycat Myers killer.
All those questions you pose are answered by the fact that this movie is intended to be another Halloween 2. The sister angle and everything else introduced after the credits roll on the first film do not count for this film. Whether you like/accept that is up to you, naturally, but that's the answer.
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Post by theshape25 on Oct 15, 2018 18:01:57 GMT
Yeah. I agree with you about the sister/bloodline subplot giving Michael Myers more of a motive and that also worked in 'Halloween 4 and 5' with Jamie Lloyd being Michael Myers niece and I personally think adding that set it apart from a lot of other Horror movies 'cause there are a lot of movies where a character is being chased after by a psychopathic killer but few where that killer is the character's brother or Uncle and if they are going to ignore sequels I would have preferred a sequel to 'Halloween 5' which brought back Danielle Harris as a grownup Jamie Loyd with her Mother, Laurie Strode but I am still looking forward to seeing the movie. That being said I always saw 'Halloween 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 as the original timeline due to Dr Loomis who appeared in all of them and from what I read 'Halloween H20' only happened 'cause Donald Pleasence passed away and Paul Rudd wasn't willing to come back for 7. That lead to them getting Jaime Lee Curtis back to play Laurie Strode again. Interestingly enough too, 'Halloween H20' was never meant to ignore the events of 4, 5 and 6 and there was a deleted scene where Jaime Lloyd's name is mentioned in a report of all the victims Michael has killed and it showed scenes of 'Halloween 4, 5 and 6' and Laurie hears it and runs to the toilet and throws up. The scene was removed due to time and had it not been removed 'H20' would have existed in the original timeline. In the new Halloween trailer—and they really needed a subtitle to go with it, so are they attempting to pass it off as the definitive Halloween of the millennial generation, so they can get it right this time by making more sequels? —one of the characters mentions that the Strode sister connection was just a myth made up by someone, so if that is the case, then how do they explain Loomis and Myers getting exploded into a ball of fire and killed at the end of H2. Did Myers not even go on his hospital reign of terror? Even the tag line said.....They couldn't stop him, now he's back. Was it someone else doing the killing? Pffffttt! Did Laurie not even go to the hospital after surviving? Did she not end up changing her name and running a private school and had a son?
As far as I'm concerned, Strode is Myers sister and all the sequels alluded to that as well. That said, I'm glad H20 didn't exist in the original timeline. As far as I was concerned, Myers was killed off in 2 and 4, 5 and 6 were pretty abysmal. H20, I saw it as Strode's manifestation of her brother back into her life, due to not letting go. It wasn't really Michael, but just some other copycat Myers killer.
I remember when this movie got the green light there were reports that it was going to pick up after part II and other reports that it might pick up after the original. I'm sure all those reasons you mentioned is probably why they decided to pick up after the original. Less things to explain.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 16, 2018 6:38:27 GMT
Yeah. I agree with you about the sister/bloodline subplot giving Michael Myers more of a motive and that also worked in 'Halloween 4 and 5' with Jamie Lloyd being Michael Myers niece and I personally think adding that set it apart from a lot of other Horror movies 'cause there are a lot of movies where a character is being chased after by a psychopathic killer but few where that killer is the character's brother or Uncle and if they are going to ignore sequels I would have preferred a sequel to 'Halloween 5' which brought back Danielle Harris as a grownup Jamie Loyd with her Mother, Laurie Strode but I am still looking forward to seeing the movie. That being said I always saw 'Halloween 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 as the original timeline due to Dr Loomis who appeared in all of them and from what I read 'Halloween H20' only happened 'cause Donald Pleasence passed away and Paul Rudd wasn't willing to come back for 7. That lead to them getting Jaime Lee Curtis back to play Laurie Strode again. Interestingly enough too, 'Halloween H20' was never meant to ignore the events of 4, 5 and 6 and there was a deleted scene where Jaime Lloyd's name is mentioned in a report of all the victims Michael has killed and it showed scenes of 'Halloween 4, 5 and 6' and Laurie hears it and runs to the toilet and throws up. The scene was removed due to time and had it not been removed 'H20' would have existed in the original timeline. In the new Halloween trailer—and they really needed a subtitle to go with it, so are they attempting to pass it off as the definitive Halloween of the millennial generation, so they can get it right this time by making more sequels? —one of the characters mentions that the Strode sister connection was just a myth made up by someone, so if that is the case, then how do they explain Loomis and Myers getting exploded into a ball of fire and killed at the end of H2. Did Myers not even go on his hospital reign of terror? Even the tag line said.....They couldn't stop him, now he's back. Was it someone else doing the killing? Pffffttt! Did Laurie not even go to the hospital after surviving? Did she not end up changing her name and running a private school and had a son?
As far as I'm concerned, Strode is Myers sister and all the sequels alluded to that as well. That said, I'm glad H20 didn't exist in the original timeline. As far as I was concerned, Myers was killed off in 2 and 4, 5 and 6 were pretty abysmal. H20, I saw it as Strode's manifestation of her brother back into her life, due to not letting go. It wasn't really Michael, but just some other copycat Myers killer.
Halloween 2 never happened. The film is more or less just being meta with that line about Laurie and Michael being siblings, just a jab at the whole plot twist. Even Carpenter didn't like that twist, and I wouldn't be surprised if that line was his idea.
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Post by theshape25 on Oct 16, 2018 7:24:59 GMT
In the new Halloween trailer—and they really needed a subtitle to go with it, so are they attempting to pass it off as the definitive Halloween of the millennial generation, so they can get it right this time by making more sequels? —one of the characters mentions that the Strode sister connection was just a myth made up by someone, so if that is the case, then how do they explain Loomis and Myers getting exploded into a ball of fire and killed at the end of H2. Did Myers not even go on his hospital reign of terror? Even the tag line said.....They couldn't stop him, now he's back. Was it someone else doing the killing? Pffffttt! Did Laurie not even go to the hospital after surviving? Did she not end up changing her name and running a private school and had a son?
As far as I'm concerned, Strode is Myers sister and all the sequels alluded to that as well. That said, I'm glad H20 didn't exist in the original timeline. As far as I was concerned, Myers was killed off in 2 and 4, 5 and 6 were pretty abysmal. H20, I saw it as Strode's manifestation of her brother back into her life, due to not letting go. It wasn't really Michael, but just some other copycat Myers killer.
Halloween 2 never happened. The film is more or less just being meta with that line about Laurie and Michael being siblings, just a jab at the whole plot twist. Even Carpenter didn't like that twist, and I wouldn't be surprised if that line was his idea. He didn't care much for Halloween II at all. I'm sure you're right. He was probably the one who decided to sack the whole movie.
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Post by theshape25 on Oct 16, 2018 13:31:04 GMT
He didn't care much for Halloween II at all. I'm sure you're right. He was probably the one who decided to sack the whole movie. H2 was fine and for whatever reason he didn't like it, is perhaps only something that Carpenter would really understand. For my tastes, it was great how it was a direct continuation of the same night, Myers disappeared and it was feasible how he carried on his reign of terror, including stalking Laurie at the hospital, which is where she rightfully ended up.
The violence and kill scenes were executed with suspense and were well realized and while it wasn't overly graphic, it was still sharp, somewhat bloody and cringe inducing violence. This makes it disturbing. What other slasher from this era depicts the violence in the manner that H2 did and did the kills so well and original? Carpenter wasn't big on Halloween II because he felt there was no more story to tell. He felt he said all he had to say with the original movie. Plus he was legally obligated to make Halloween II in order to be able to make The Fog. There was some sort of lawsuit involved. All of this contributes to his dislike for the movie.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 16, 2018 17:20:23 GMT
He didn't care much for Halloween II at all. I'm sure you're right. He was probably the one who decided to sack the whole movie. H2 was fine and for whatever reason he didn't like it, is perhaps only something that Carpenter would really understand. For my tastes, it was great how it was a direct continuation of the same night, Myers disappeared and it was feasible how he carried on his reign of terror, including stalking Laurie at the hospital, which is where she rightfully ended up.
The violence and kill scenes were executed with suspense and were well realized and while it wasn't overly graphic, it was still sharp, somewhat bloody and cringe inducing violence. This makes it disturbing. What other slasher from this era depicts the violence in the manner that H2 did and did the kills so well and original? I just rewatched it, and my biggest complaint with it is the fact they overstayed their welcome in the hospital and Michael took way too long to find Laurie. Also, they really overexaggerated Laurie's wounds. Maybe I need to watch the first one again but didn't she just receive a cut on her arm?!?! I don't remember when she hurt her leg/ankle. I feel like Zombie actually did a better job at the hospital scene in his film. While I didn't like how Michael was grunting with each stab, I thought it was extremely suspenseful, and you really felt for Laurie as she was trying to get away as her wounds were more extreme than JLC Laurie in H2 (1981).
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Post by Marv on Oct 16, 2018 23:17:45 GMT
Most sequels are.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 6:24:21 GMT
Yeah. I agree with you about the sister/bloodline subplot giving Michael Myers more of a motive and that also worked in 'Halloween 4 and 5' with Jamie Lloyd being Michael Myers niece and I personally think adding that set it apart from a lot of other Horror movies 'cause there are a lot of movies where a character is being chased after by a psychopathic killer but few where that killer is the character's brother or Uncle and if they are going to ignore sequels I would have preferred a sequel to 'Halloween 5' which brought back Danielle Harris as a grownup Jamie Loyd with her Mother, Laurie Strode but I am still looking forward to seeing the movie. That being said I always saw 'Halloween 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 as the original timeline due to Dr Loomis who appeared in all of them and from what I read 'Halloween H20' only happened 'cause Donald Pleasence passed away and Paul Rudd wasn't willing to come back for 7. That lead to them getting Jaime Lee Curtis back to play Laurie Strode again. Interestingly enough too, 'Halloween H20' was never meant to ignore the events of 4, 5 and 6 and there was a deleted scene where Jaime Lloyd's name is mentioned in a report of all the victims Michael has killed and it showed scenes of 'Halloween 4, 5 and 6' and Laurie hears it and runs to the toilet and throws up. The scene was removed due to time and had it not been removed 'H20' would have existed in the original timeline. In the new Halloween trailer—and they really needed a subtitle to go with it, so are they attempting to pass it off as the definitive Halloween of the millennial generation, so they can get it right this time by making more sequels? —one of the characters mentions that the Strode sister connection was just a myth made up by someone, so if that is the case, then how do they explain Loomis and Myers getting exploded into a ball of fire and killed at the end of H2. Did Myers not even go on his hospital reign of terror? Even the tag line said.....They couldn't stop him, now he's back. Was it someone else doing the killing? Pffffttt! Did Laurie not even go to the hospital after surviving? Did she not end up changing her name and running a private school and had a son?
As far as I'm concerned, Strode is Myers sister and all the sequels alluded to that as well. That said, I'm glad H20 didn't exist in the original timeline. As far as I was concerned, Myers was killed off in 2 and 4, 5 and 6 were pretty abysmal. H20, I saw it as Strode's manifestation of her brother back into her life, due to not letting go. It wasn't really Michael, but just some other copycat Myers killer.
I don't know. I have read a few explanations for why Loomis was able to survive the events of 'Halloween 2' and return in 'Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Mysers' and it was evident he did endure the explosion 'cause of the injury to his leg and scares on his face and hand and the most common one is he was able to get out in time or find a safe area in the hospital that protected him from the effects of the explosion since he wasn't shown when part of the hospital exploded. The other one which I heard Donald Pleasence liked was Michael was a force of evil while Loomis was a force of good and a higher power protected Loomis so he would be there to stop Michael when he inevitably returned years later to murder his niece. I personally think Michael died as a child when he was overtaken by evil and there was no way human possibly he could have survived what happened to him at the end of the first movie getting shot multiple times and going out a window and get up and run (not walk since he was gone very quickly) away unless he wasn't human. I think it is silly when they try and humanise characters like Michael Myers when they survive too many things that are not humanly possible and it is like people who think Jason Vorhees didn't die until the end of 'Friday the 13th 4' when there are dozens of incidents of him being killed in the first three movies including him being hung which he came back from and very quickly recovered from.
I think they should just leave it at Michael is the bogeyman 'cause it makes him far scarier and a bigger threat 'cause how can you stop a force of evil that can't be killed or is already dead? If Michael was a regular serial killer he would be dead in one shot to the head.
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