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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 13, 2018 5:54:47 GMT
Yes, ZERO losses and ZERO INTs in the Super Bowl means a standard of perfection, like the perfect season that the 1972 Dolphins had. No other team in NFL history has been able to match the standard of perfection set by the 1972 Dolphins, and no other QB who has played in at least 4 Super Bowls has been able to match the standard of perfection (ZERO losses and ZERO INTs in the Super Bowl) that Montana had. Thank you for making my point for me. Few people consider the 72 Dolphins to be the greatest NFL team ever because of their “perfect” season. The same reasoning applies to Montana. Let’s stick to significant stats, and leave the trivia to Alex Trebek. You are just jealous because the Dolphins did it and the Cheatriots couldn't. |
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Post by damngumby on Oct 13, 2018 11:24:13 GMT
Thank you for making my point for me. Few people consider the 72 Dolphins to be the greatest NFL team ever because of their “perfect” season. The same reasoning applies to Montana. Let’s stick to significant stats, and leave the trivia to Alex Trebek. You are just jealous because the Dolphins did it and the Cheatriots couldn't. What, win 14 games in the regular season and then go on to win the SB? Childs play. Yawn. |
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Post by damngumby on Oct 13, 2018 11:39:51 GMT
And let's not forget Bill Belacheat who helps the whole damn team with cheating. Fact and not opinion. These guys have been caught and busted for cheating which gives their "winning" a black eye and many *s. No amount of any denial by their fans can ever take that away. Ever. No one denies that BB put the camera in the wrong spot, per Roger Goodell’s interpretation of a poorly written rule. We just think it’s hilarious that there are folks out there that use that as the excuse for why their own team can’t measure up to the Patriots. If it makes you feel better to color in asterisks, then no, we’re not going to take your crayons away. Ever. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 13, 2018 16:31:39 GMT
Thank you for making my point for me. Few people consider the 72 Dolphins to be the greatest NFL team ever because of their “perfect” season. The same reasoning applies to Montana. Let’s stick to significant stats, and leave the trivia to Alex Trebek. You are just jealous because the Dolphins did it and the Cheatriots couldn't. King Kong Shady just got owned! |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 13, 2018 16:33:31 GMT
You are just jealous because the Dolphins did it and the Cheatriots couldn't. What, win 14 games in the regular season and then go on to win the SB? Go through the regular season undefeated, then sweep 3 postseason opponents and win the Super Bowl. Undefeated. Untied. Perfection. And yet, the Cheatriots couldn't do it. |
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Post by damngumby on Oct 13, 2018 17:03:02 GMT
What, win 14 games in the regular season and then go on to win the SB? And yet, the Cheatriots couldn't do it. The Patriots did it three times! Now, what the BB/TB Patriots didn’t do is win the Super Bowl after winning 14 games during a 14 game regular season ... because they don’t exist anymore. The bar has been raised to a new standard. All previous records are now ... trivia. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 13, 2018 17:09:02 GMT
And yet, the Cheatriots couldn't do it. The Patriots did it three times! Nope, the Patriots have NEVER had an undefeated, untied, perfect season. what the BB/TB Patriots didn’t do is win the Super Bowl after winning 14 games during a 14 game regular season ... because they don’t exist anymore. The bar has been raised to a new standard. All previous records are now ... trivia. So you're saying that Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak and Ted Williams' .406 season don't count anymore because they did it in a 154-game season? DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak and Williams' .406 season are still as revered today as they were when they did it. And the Dolphins' perfect season is still as revered today as it was when they did it. |
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Post by damngumby on Oct 13, 2018 18:56:02 GMT
The Patriots did it three times! Nope, the Patriots have NEVER had an undefeated, untied, perfect season. what the BB/TB Patriots didn’t do is win the Super Bowl after winning 14 games during a 14 game regular season ... because they don’t exist anymore. The bar has been raised to a new standard. All previous records are now ... trivia. So you're saying that Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak and Ted Williams' .406 season don't count anymore because they did it in a 154-game season? DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak and Williams' .406 season are still as revered today as they were when they did it. And the Dolphins' perfect season is still as revered today as it was when they did it. The Patriots did what I said they did - win 14 regular season games and then go on to win the SB ... and they did it three times. 14 games is no longer a regular season. What part of that are you having a hard time understanding? ... A 154 or 162 game season has little bearing on a hitting streak or a batting average, so the bar hasn’t moved in that regard. Try again, champ. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 13, 2018 19:32:30 GMT
Nope, the Patriots have NEVER had an undefeated, untied, perfect season. So you're saying that Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak and Ted Williams' .406 season don't count anymore because they did it in a 154-game season? DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak and Williams' .406 season are still as revered today as they were when they did it. And the Dolphins' perfect season is still as revered today as it was when they did it. The Patriots did what I said they did - win 14 regular season games and then go on to win the SB ... and they did it three times. 14 games is no longer a regular season. What part of that are you having a hard time understanding? ... A 154 or 162 game season has little bearing on a hitting streak or a batting average, so the bar hasn’t moved in that regard. Try again, champ. 1st, winning 14 regular season games and then winning the Super Bowl is a trivial stat. Lots of teams have done it. Heck, the 1984 49ers and 1985 Bears both won 15 regular season games and then won the Super Bowl. But what no team (including the great 1984 49ers and 1985 Bears teams and any Patriots teams) have ever done is go undefeated, untied in the regular season and then win the Super Bowl, except for the 1972 Dolphins. That's why the 1972 Dolphins' undefeated, untied, perfect season is still the greatest season in NFL history and still the standard by which all seasons are measured by. 2nd, a 162-game season does have a HUGE bearing on a batting average. Ted Williams batted .406 over 154 games. Would his batting average have dipped below .400 if he had to go through the extra at-bats in a more grueling 162-game schedule? Well, according to you, since Ted Williams batted .406 during a 154-game season and the schedule is now 162 games, then Ted Williams' .406 batting average is meaningless compared to the stats of today's era. |
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Post by damngumby on Oct 13, 2018 22:10:16 GMT
1st, winning 14 regular season games and then winning the Super Bowl is a trivial stat. Lots of teams have done it. Like I said, child’s play. ... though, how many other teams have done it three time? The ‘72 Dolphins record is tops within the 14 game season era. Once the regular season was expanded to 16 games, that record was put on a shelf, and another began. Of course, Williams didn’t even play in all 154 games and the Red Sox were willing to sit him out at the end of the season to preserve the +.400 average ... so, the answer to your question is - no. But I’m glad you’ve admitted that a longer season is much more grueling ... for those who have to play in every game. In 2007 the Patriots won more consecutive games than the ‘72 Dolphins did. The Patriots season was much more grueling than anything the Dolphins attempted. No. Like I explained above, William’s average was independent of the season length. Your sports cross-over comparisons really don’t work very well. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 14, 2018 0:00:23 GMT
1st, winning 14 regular season games and then winning the Super Bowl is a trivial stat. Lots of teams have done it. Like I said, child’s play. ... though, how many other teams have done it three time? The ‘72 Dolphins record is tops within the 14 game season era. Once the regular season was expanded to 16 games, that record was put on a shelf, and another began. Nope, that record isn't put on a shelf. That record still stands and is still the greatest season in NFL history and is still the standard by which all other seasons are measured by, until or unless another team can achieve perfection. And so far, 45 seasons later, still no other team has been able to achieve the perfection that the 1972 Dolphins did. William’s average was independent of the season length. Not really. 8 more games means a whole lot of more at-bats, which means a whole lot more chances for the bating average to drop below .400. Baseball is a game of hot and cold streaks. The 1964 Phillies had a 6 and 1/2 game lead with just 12 games to play on September 20. They went cold and lost 10 in a row and missed the playoffs. The same thing could've happened to Williams. Williams could've suddenly gone cold and gone into a slump in the last 8 games of the season and finished below .400. Let's not forget, William's .406 batting average meant that he made an out 59.4% of the time that season. So it's very possible that Williams could've stumbled in the last 8 games of the season, similar to how the Patriots stumbled in the last 2 minutes of Super Bowl XLII when Eli and the Giants drove 83 yards for a go-ahead TD and then Brady threw 4 straight incompletions to end the bid for a perfect season. a longer season is much more gruelingIn 2007 the Patriots won more consecutive games than the ‘72 Dolphins did. Irrelevant. John Wooden's 1964, 1967, 1972, and 1973 teams all won the national championship with a 30-0 record. Bobby Knight's 1976 team won the national championship with a 32-0 record. How many people would argue that those Lew Alcindor undefeated teams or Bill Walton undefeated teams weren't as good as Bobby Knight's undefeated team because Bobby Knight's undefeated team played 2 more games than the Lew Alcindor undefeated teams and the Bill Walton undefeated teams did?The number of games is irrelevant. The ONLY thing that's relevant is that the 1972 Dolphins went undefeated and untied and won the championship, which NO other team in NFL history had ever done before and NO other team in NFL history (including the Patriots) has done since. The Rams might do it this season, but so far no team has done it in the 45 seasons since the 1972 Dolphins did, which is why that record is so impressive and so revered and continues to be even more impressive and more revered every year that goes by without any team achieving perfection. |
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Post by damngumby on Oct 14, 2018 1:32:15 GMT
Nope, that record isn't put on a shelf. No one will ever have the luxury of claiming to be undefeated by winning just 14 games in a season again. Like you said, the NFL season is much more grueling now. It’s as simple as that. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 14, 2018 4:12:03 GMT
Nope, that record isn't put on a shelf. No one will ever have the luxury of claiming to be undefeated by winning just 14 games in a season again. And no college basketball team will ever have the luxury of claiming to be undefeated by winning just 30 games in a season again, like 4 of John Wooden's teams did. So you're basically saying those Lew Alcindor undefeated teams and Bill Walton undefeated teams shouldn't be considered among the greatest teams of all time because they only played 30 games. Since you declined to answer my question, I'll ask again: How many people would argue that those Lew Alcindor undefeated teams or Bill Walton undefeated teams weren't as good as Bobby Knight's undefeated team because Bobby Knight's undefeated team played 2 more games than the Lew Alcindor undefeated teams and the Bill Walton undefeated teams did?
Like I said, your argument is flawed and stupid. The number of games is irrelevant. The ONLY thing that's relevant is that the 1972 Dolphins went undefeated and untied and won the championship, which NO other team in NFL history had ever done before and NO other team in NFL history (including the Patriots) has done since.
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