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Post by bud47 on Oct 10, 2018 20:18:48 GMT
um...thor 3 cosmic element was good. I have no problem with that though I wonder now that disney bought fox. fox is now mysteriously using all these mcu references. first with was gambit as a rom com , now this. so the influence of Disney is already showing. ofcourse dark Phoenix tone will still be drama because disney and fox cant afford any backlash of such an iconic story. if disney had xmen from the start this would have been a comedy. thank goodness the genre died before they bought fox The genre hasn't died. It's prospering, even with Fox movies like Fan4stic, X-Men Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix dragging things down. MCU and especially Fox could care less what happens with Dark Phoenix. Fox already screwed up this "iconic" story once already and are just throwing things at the wall at this point. Like always, they continue to demonstrate that they're afraid to fully explore the potential of these characters and will just wipe their hands of it all after the movie is released. MCU will just reboot when the time comes, hopefully being less grounded and more faithful to the source material, with your much needed "drama" still intact.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 10, 2018 20:21:28 GMT
um...thor 3 cosmic element was good. I have no problem with that though I wonder now that disney bought fox. fox is now mysteriously using all these mcu references. first with was gambit as a rom com , now this. so the influence of Disney is already showing. ofcourse dark Phoenix tone will still be drama because disney and fox cant afford any backlash of such an iconic story. if disney had xmen from the start this would have been a comedy. thank goodness the genre died before they bought fox The genre hasn't died. It's prospering, even with Fox movies like Fan4stic, X-Men Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix dragging things down. MCU and especially Fox could care less what happens with Dark Phoenix. Fox already screwed up this "iconic" story once already and are just throwing things at the wall at this point. Like always, they continue to demonstrate that they're afraid to fully explore the potential of these characters and will just wipe their hands of it all after the movie is released. MCU will just reboot when the time comes, hopefully being less grounded and more faithful to the source material, with your much needed "drama" still intact. X-Men: Apocalypse didn’t drag things down character considering this spin-off Logan made so much money.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 10, 2018 20:33:29 GMT
The genre hasn't died. It's prospering, even with Fox movies like Fan4stic, X-Men Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix dragging things down. MCU and especially Fox could care less what happens with Dark Phoenix. Fox already screwed up this "iconic" story once already and are just throwing things at the wall at this point. Like always, they continue to demonstrate that they're afraid to fully explore the potential of these characters and will just wipe their hands of it all after the movie is released. MCU will just reboot when the time comes, hopefully being less grounded and more faithful to the source material, with your much needed "drama" still intact. X-Men: Apocalypse didn’t drag things down character considering this spin-off Logan made so much money. Logan succeeded because it was an exceptional film and everyone loves Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Apocalypse was a forgettable blemish, best left forgotten.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 10, 2018 20:36:02 GMT
X-Men: Apocalypse didn’t drag things down character considering this spin-off Logan made so much money. Logan succeeded because it was an exceptional film and everyone loves Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Apocalypse was a forgettable blemish, best left forgotten. The previous Wolverine movie had the lowest ticket sells in the franchise by far though.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 10, 2018 20:41:24 GMT
Logan succeeded because it was an exceptional film and everyone loves Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Apocalypse was a forgettable blemish, best left forgotten. The previous Wolverine movie had the lowest ticket sells in the franchise by far though. The previous Wolverine film wasn't as solid, wasn't Hugh Jackman's final film in the franchise and didn't follow Deadpool, which was also a huge success and paved the way for Logan's R-rating, giving some freshness to the character. And again, it was just a much better film.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 10, 2018 21:14:29 GMT
um...thor 3 cosmic element was good. I have no problem with that though I wonder now that disney bought fox. fox is now mysteriously using all these mcu references. first with was gambit as a rom com , now this. so the influence of Disney is already showing. ofcourse dark Phoenix tone will still be drama because disney and fox cant afford any backlash of such an iconic story. if disney had xmen from the start this would have been a comedy. thank goodness the genre died before they bought fox The genre hasn't died. It's prospering, even with Fox movies like Fan4stic, X-Men Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix dragging things down. MCU and especially Fox could care less what happens with Dark Phoenix. Fox already screwed up this "iconic" story once already and are just throwing things at the wall at this point. Like always, they continue to demonstrate that they're afraid to fully explore the potential of these characters and will just wipe their hands of it all after the movie is released. MCU will just reboot when the time comes, hopefully being less grounded and more faithful to the source material, with your much needed "drama" still intact.
lol, faithful to the source material. like Thor ragnarok was? the genre is prospering? how...by the total loss of its credibility?X-Men Apocalypse a more favoured movie than iron man 3, gotg 2, age of ultron and the rest.
so what happens when disney screws of the basic xmen abc by turning xmen into gotg just to sell toys?
hm, faithful to the source material you never read. How faithful was civil war, age of ultron, infinity war , gotg to the source material.
Logan put the genre in life support last year, but since no marvel movie will ever get to logan level again or even DOFP or Deadpool. the genre for mcu is dead.
Been less grounded, wasn't the source material of xmen grounded as confirmed by majority of the writers. good thing about living in this times. Lies are easily exposed as marvel comic and star wars fans shown.
You know the genre is dead, when you have to lie this much. sorry but I prefer the facts
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 10, 2018 21:47:31 GMT
summers8 We all know you didn’t watch Logan.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 10, 2018 21:50:26 GMT
The genre hasn't died. It's prospering, even with Fox movies like Fan4stic, X-Men Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix dragging things down. MCU and especially Fox could care less what happens with Dark Phoenix. Fox already screwed up this "iconic" story once already and are just throwing things at the wall at this point. Like always, they continue to demonstrate that they're afraid to fully explore the potential of these characters and will just wipe their hands of it all after the movie is released. MCU will just reboot when the time comes, hopefully being less grounded and more faithful to the source material, with your much needed "drama" still intact.
lol, faithful to the source material. like Thor ragnarok was? the genre is prospering? how...by the total loss of its credibility?X-Men Apocalypse a more favoured movie than iron man 3, gotg 2, age of ultron and the rest.
so what happens when disney screws of the basic xmen abc by turning xmen into gotg just to sell toys?
hm, faithful to the source material you never read. How faithful was civil war, age of ultron, infinity war , gotg to the source material.
Logan put the genre in life support last year, but since no marvel movie will ever get to logan level again or even DOFP or Deadpool. the genre for mcu is dead.
Been less grounded, wasn't the source material of xmen grounded as confirmed by majority of the writers. good thing about living in this times. Lies are easily exposed as marvel comic and star wars fans shown.
You know the genre is dead, when you have to lie this much. sorry but I prefer the facts
Thor Ragnarok was enjoyable entertainment, but it wasn't the Thor movie I wanted nor preferred. But at least people enjoyed it and it was a critical and financial success, which means the MCU lives on and they keep making movies. I take the bad with the good. How is the genre dead? How has it lost credibility? X-Men Apocalypse a more favored movie? By whom? Fanatics like you? It was a critical and financial flop. Keeps you up at night doesn't it? Those storylines could never be adapted completely faithfully in single films, but you can clearly see the inspiration if you've ever read comic books. Logan was a great film. Deadpool was fun and entertaining, but immature with it's level of humor. Not at the same level as Logan. The genre for MCU? What is that exactly? Comic book films? I'm pretty sure they're doing quite well. Even if they're not all Dark Knights and Logans. Have you ever read an X-Men comic book? Fan4stic is what you get when you make being grounded a top priority. Still confusing opinions with facts, I see. They make medication for what you have.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 10, 2018 21:56:48 GMT
MCU will just reboot when the time comes, hopefully being less grounded and more faithful to the source material, with your much needed "drama" still intact. The drama in MCU is virtually non existent. Shallow as a childs inflatable pool. MCU cannot even adapt the Civil War conflict correctly what makes you think they will pull off Dark Phoneix which is a character/drama HEAVY story with minimal humour. You people make it sound as if using drama is a dirty forbidden word and any film that takes things seriously is too grounded. MCU Dark Phoneix will be a comedy because it makes the most money.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 10, 2018 21:59:49 GMT
Stop chatting **** bud, Apocalypse made over 500m and mixed reviews split down the middle. Making it out as being a bomb like green lantern or Fan4stic is being dishonest. And critics can choke on one, Apocalypse was more or less the same qtality as Age of Ultron yet critics gave that film a high score.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 10, 2018 22:06:20 GMT
Stop chatting **** bud, Apocalypse made over 500m and mixed reviews split down the middle. Making it out as being a bomb like green lantern or Fan4stic is being dishonest. And critics can choke on one, Apocalypse was more or less the same qtality as Age of Ultron yet critics gave that film a high score. I never expected him to understand my take on xmen apoc. a movie many comic fans still considered better than half the mcu movies and found it decent for mcu standards.
is it better than age of ultron, thor 2? yes. if xmen apoc was an mcu movie we know critics would have gone much easier on it.
remember he is thatguy, their only way to make a case is to be dishonest. different socks, same thinking in the end
though his whole..less grounded xmen is more laughable for his disney xmen since most writers says factually that xmen is grounded. maybe I will not think mcu was so awful if their fans were not this dishonest about everything. at least I dont lie
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Post by bud47 on Oct 10, 2018 22:11:40 GMT
MCU will just reboot when the time comes, hopefully being less grounded and more faithful to the source material, with your much needed "drama" still intact. The drama in MCU is virtually non existent. Shallow as a childs inflatable pool. MCU cannot even adapt the Civil War conflict correctly what makes you think they will pull off Dark Phoneix which is a character/drama HEAVY story with minimal humour. You people make it sound as if using drama is a dirty forbidden word and any film that takes things seriously is too grounded. MCU Dark Phoneix will be a comedy because it makes the most money. As I've said before, not every comic book film needs to be held to Oscar level standards, drama-heavy, with the word "grounded" stamped across the screen, which apparently is what you're looking for in each film. Some people just want to escape for a couple hours and be entertained. Is there something wrong with that when watching a film about superheroes? Well, for one thing if and when they do attempt to adapt Dark Phoenix (many years from know), I'm sure they'll make sure we actually know and care about these characters first after they've been developed over a series of films, unlike Fox that expects us to care about this version of Jean after her 5 minutes of screen-time in Apocalypse. How was Infinity War a comedy? You make it sound like humor and comedy are forbidden words and unfavorable elements in these types of films. Why does everything need to be so serious with you? You're starting to sound like summers8 now.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 10, 2018 22:13:11 GMT
Stop chatting **** bud, Apocalypse made over 500m and mixed reviews split down the middle. Making it out as being a bomb like green lantern or Fan4stic is being dishonest. And critics can choke on one, Apocalypse was more or less the same qtality as Age of Ultron yet critics gave that film a high score. I never expected him to understand my take on xmen apoc. a movie many comic fans still considered better than half the mcu movies and found it decent for mcu standards.
is it better than age of ultron, thor 2? yes. if xmen apoc was an mcu movie we know critics would have gone much easier on it.
remember he is thatguy, their only way to make a case is to be dishonest. different socks, same thinking in the end
though his whole..less grounded xmen is more laughable for his disney xmen since most writers says factually that xmen is grounded. maybe I will not think mcu was so awful if their fans were not this dishonest about everything. at least I dont lie
Wormhole, you don't lie (at least not in your own eyes), you're just delusional.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 10, 2018 22:18:02 GMT
Stop chatting **** bud, Apocalypse made over 500m and mixed reviews split down the middle. Making it out as being a bomb like green lantern or Fan4stic is being dishonest. And critics can choke on one, Apocalypse was more or less the same qtality as Age of Ultron yet critics gave that film a high score. I never expected him to understand my take on xmen apoc. a movie many comic fans still considered better than half the mcu movies and found it decent for mcu standards.
is it better than age of ultron, thor 2? yes. if xmen apoc was an mcu movie we know critics would have gone much easier on it.
remember he is thatguy, their only way to make a case is to be dishonest. different socks, same thinking in the end
though his whole..less grounded xmen is more laughable for his disney xmen since most writers says factually that xmen is grounded. maybe I will not think mcu was so awful if their fans were not this dishonest about everything. at least I dont lie
Critics used to have credibility but since the superhero genre went mainstream from 2012 onwards, theyve skewed and thus ruined the entire film industry including non superhero films. Disney Star Wars high marks. Black panther the highest rated CBM of all time. Giving passes to crap MCU movies whilst failing others like Man of Steel. No neutral view left. Even if he is or is not GuySon they both dont understand what a faithful adaptation means
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Post by bud47 on Oct 10, 2018 22:22:53 GMT
I never expected him to understand my take on xmen apoc. a movie many comic fans still considered better than half the mcu movies and found it decent for mcu standards.
is it better than age of ultron, thor 2? yes. if xmen apoc was an mcu movie we know critics would have gone much easier on it.
remember he is thatguy, their only way to make a case is to be dishonest. different socks, same thinking in the end
though his whole..less grounded xmen is more laughable for his disney xmen since most writers says factually that xmen is grounded. maybe I will not think mcu was so awful if their fans were not this dishonest about everything. at least I dont lie
Critics used to have credibility but since the superhero genre went mainstream from 2012 onwards, theyve skewed and thus ruined the entire film industry including non superhero films. Disney Star Wars high marks. Black panther the highest rated CBM of all time. Giving passes to crap MCU movies whilst failing others like Man of Steel. No neutral view left. Even if he is or is not GuySon they both dont understand what a faithful adaptation means Even if critics are skewed, how is that any different than you and your biased opinion to automatically hate anything the MCU produces? You go into these films looking for flaws, ready to criticize, but you give passes to anything Fox does simply because they're not Disney. How are X-Men Apocalypse or Fan4stic faithful adaptations?
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Post by charzhino on Oct 10, 2018 22:33:26 GMT
As I've said before, not every comic book film needs to be held to Oscar level standards, drama-heavy, with the word "grounded" stamped across the screen, which apparently is what you're looking for in each film. Some people just want to escape for a couple hours and be entertained. NO. This is the laziest excuse i keep hearing- people want to escape and have fun. If that's the case go watch a chick flick or comedy with Seth Rogan. This is the type of thinking thats dumbing down audiences film IQ over recent years. If people now are more engaged with MCU movies as timewaster films then all hope is lost for the credibility of comic book movies as summers keeps saying. Every major comic book storyline thats been made into a film has roots in grounded drama. From Civil War to Ultron to Ragnarok to Apocalypse and Dark Phoneix. Making a straight up comedy out of these is a insult to viewers intelligence and spitting on source which took things a lot more seriously. Its too late to change it now though, the MCU has done its damage to audiences expectations for modern films. Every major blockbuster now must be lighthearted with lots of bathos humour and the story must be part of a larger crossover universe. Anything that doesnt follow this formula will flop. Again proof of poisonous thinking from MCU brainwashing. You dont need multiple films and numerous crossover ensembles to care for character. Cinema has existed long before Ironman 1 you know, it is possible to create a script to allow the audience to care for a character all in 1 movie without anything preceding. Humour and comedy should be timed away from dramatic moments of seriousness. MCU has violated this over and over to the point it has this trademarked.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 10, 2018 23:06:20 GMT
I never expected him to understand my take on xmen apoc. a movie many comic fans still considered better than half the mcu movies and found it decent for mcu standards.
is it better than age of ultron, thor 2? yes. if xmen apoc was an mcu movie we know critics would have gone much easier on it.
remember he is thatguy, their only way to make a case is to be dishonest. different socks, same thinking in the end
though his whole..less grounded xmen is more laughable for his disney xmen since most writers says factually that xmen is grounded. maybe I will not think mcu was so awful if their fans were not this dishonest about everything. at least I dont lie
Wormhole, you don't lie (at least not in your own eyes), you're just delusional. Delusional.lol
Name 1 lie I have ever said.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 11, 2018 1:23:09 GMT
As I've said before, not every comic book film needs to be held to Oscar level standards, drama-heavy, with the word "grounded" stamped across the screen, which apparently is what you're looking for in each film. Some people just want to escape for a couple hours and be entertained. NO. This is the laziest excuse i keep hearing- people want to escape and have fun. If that's the case go watch a chick flick or comedy with Seth Rogan. This is the type of thinking thats dumbing down audiences film IQ over recent years. If people now are more engaged with MCU movies as timewaster films then all hope is lost for the credibility of comic book movies as summers keeps saying. Every major comic book storyline thats been made into a film has roots in grounded drama. From Civil War to Ultron to Ragnarok to Apocalypse and Dark Phoneix. Making a straight up comedy out of these is a insult to viewers intelligence and spitting on source which took things a lot more seriously. Its too late to change it now though, the MCU has done its damage to audiences expectations for modern films. Every major blockbuster now must be lighthearted with lots of bathos humour and the story must be part of a larger crossover universe. Anything that doesnt follow this formula will flop. Again proof of poisonous thinking from MCU brainwashing. You dont need multiple films and numerous crossover ensembles to care for character. Cinema has existed long before Ironman 1 you know, it is possible to create a script to allow the audience to care for a character all in 1 movie without anything preceding. Humour and comedy should be timed away from dramatic moments of seriousness. MCU has violated this over and over to the point it has this trademarked. I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few points. There has to be a happy medium with larger than life films between escapism vs critical/cerebral engagement. Blockbusters are seen as escapist films more than critically engaging films. It's always been that way with blockbusters. Now if you have a more intimate smaller character based movie the balance point shifts closer to the critical engagement camp. Now is there examples of getting that balance wrong in Superhero movies, absolutely. Do I think it's running rampant through out the genre? No, I honestly, don't. Even with some of the bombastic movies we've gotten from all the companies I can't say more than one or two movies that has gotten this wrong. Most comicbook movies today grip the audience and engage them on a thinking level and emotional level. And honestly I would prefer my Superhero movies to engage my heart more than my head. I've seen 2 movies with my extended family in the last 2 years that everyone from my 65 year old uncle, his wife(60), his grown kids (24 and 26), my sister (48), her kids (15-21), my brother (46), his wife (41), their kids (14-17). There wasn't a dry eye in the house when Logan died and when Peter died. All the studios are putting out superhero movies that engage the audience some are just more escapism than others. Yes, the source material is based in drama, but by definition it's not your classic drama. Comic books rely on bold use of colors, over the top characterization, massive events to grab attention, and exaggeration of the human form to get it's point across there is a word for that and it isn't drama. It is called Melodrama. I've seen Stan Lee, Kevin Smith, Marc Benardin, and Grant Morrison all call it that. It has to be like that. It's one of the failings of the medium. To get a point across you have limited space and limited dialogue. You have to convey everything with minimal exposition mainly through pictures. That's why the characters are so over the top. That's also why comic books go for the heart strings. It's why we have Thomas and Martha Wayne dying infront of their kid. It's why Sups was space Moses alone on a alien planet, it's why girlfriends get fridged in the first panel of a book, etc... they know they have to grab you. I hate to burst anybodies bubble, but this is where comics come from. If the creators think it's overblown melodrama why do we expect more? That is the source material. So the movies are going to express that too. Now to the comedy. Out of 19 movies I've only been pissed off at 2 comedic scenes in MCU. The Beyonce joke in Doc Strange and Korg joke about Asgard blowing up. Even though comics back bone is melodrama there is a fair streak of comedy in there too. Look at Old Man Logan. With all the stark landscapes and dark overtones in that book there is also The Spider Buggy.. it can do anything that a spider can. I don't think having levity and comedy in superhero movies is a bad thing. Now can it go to far sometimes it can, but even in the most comedy riddle movie there is real heart in it too. There were more than a few moments in Ragnrok that actually touched me and it's the most comedic movie in the MCU. And why is comedy not intelligent. I get the baser bodily function jokes can be dumb. I know everyone says there is poop and fart jokes in MCU, but I can only think of maybe 3-4 in 19 movies. And those were in ones with a talking tree and raccoon. Ask anybody who has ever acted what is harder and more taxing to get right: Drama or Comedy. 100 out of 100 will tell you Drama is way easier than Comedy. With Drama you don't need comic timing, good delivery, charm or wit. Hell the most celebrated act in Drama is filling your self up with emotion so you can cry. Well atleast that what people think. Most of the time it's them using eye drops. Also you can't learn how to be funny. You can learn how to act and hone your acting chops. Why can't people take the movie seriously and still have comedy in it? I've never understood this. Do you think people in tough situations don't use humor to help them get through it? The only way I got through my Dad's Eulogy was I used humor as a crutch. When one of my best friends is scared shitless on the job as a Sheriff in crime riddle County in NC, how does he get through it? Jokes and Humor. Gallows Humor is a natural reflex of defense mechanism when you are stressed, afraid, or taxed. Comedy, Drama, and Tragedy have been entwined since Billy Shakespeare was selling out shows at the Globe Theater. I don't know people get the idea that comedy some how is demeaning to drama. It's a bias and bigoted way to look at the arts. And it's just not comic book fans, but the Academy too. Comedies hardly ever get picked for best picture noms. A lot of years there are 1 or 2 comedies that should get nominated. The Academy doesn't consider comedy to be as valuable drama. It seems to me movie who try to copy Marvel's success are the ones that are flopping. There have been multiple attempts by multiple studious to recreate Marvel Cinematic Universe and all have failed or barely hanging on. Marvel engaged their audience with the movie first. I think that's where other Universes faltered. You can love or hate Ironman, but that movie is engaging, completely streamlined, and has heart. Marvel made sure that they got that right first before adding in the continuity. The rest wanted to make sure the first movie lead them into a Universe without making sure the movie was good first. And of course people like the fact we can spend 2hours engaging with a solo character. It's more time to understand what makes them who they are. What they are like. Then when they crossover you already know about the characters so there is more time for the plot instead of setting up the characters. Netflix is an extension of this. Instead of having solo movie to learn about a character you have 10-15 hour long episodes to get to know the character and the plot. I'm not just talking about Marvel Netflix shows but shows on there in general. People want to spend 10hours with their characters and watch it at the own pace. Will this make it harder for movies that are completly encapsulated in one movie? Most likely yeah. Which would you prefer? Spending 10 to 15 days getting to know a person, hanging out with them, doing fun things, and letting the relationship grow or spending 1 night with them and be done with it. I would think most people would choose the former. As I got out of my early 20's the one night thing got old. I'd rather know my signicant others and my characters. This doesn't mean I want this all the time. I still watch movies that are one and done. Or were supposed to be one and done but it made bank so now we are getting a sequel. That's another thing. By planning out the sequels marvel has done an amazing thing. Instead of the sequels going down in quality, popularity and box office success which is the norm, theirs go up. The continuity of the X-verse is a direct result from poor planning and flying by the seat of their pants. Until there is another cinematic universe we can't say if you don't have one you will flop. Yes the way we are consuming our media is changing. That's not a bad thing. The way it's changing is we are getting more contact with the worlds we watch. And coming from a comic book reader we are finally consuming movies and tv shows the way I consume comics. That's all a cinematic universe is, it's a serialized story told my multiple movies from multiple points of view. All of that culminates into big event just like in the comics. I think we are in the golden age of Superhero Movies. I think we have 5-10 years more until we are only getting 1-2 superhero movies a year. I am going to enjoy them while I can.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 11, 2018 7:16:33 GMT
The previous Wolverine movie had the lowest ticket sells in the franchise by far though. The previous Wolverine film wasn't as solid, wasn't Hugh Jackman's final film in the franchise and didn't follow Deadpool, which was also a huge success and paved the way for Logan's R-rating, giving some freshness to the character. And again, it was just a much better film. Most people didn’t know it was Hugh Jackman’s final film. Hence the “where is Wolverine” response to Dark Phoenix.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 11, 2018 8:24:53 GMT
There has to be a happy medium with larger than life films between escapism vs critical/cerebral engagement. Blockbusters are seen as escapist films more than critically engaging films. It's always been that way with blockbusters. They can be escapist films. But they shouldn't be dumb films that treat audiences like children. Once you start putting out dumbed down blockbusters, the collective film IQ of cinema goers becomes retarded and results in what we are seeing today - where audiences only go to MCU movies and not anything else because they have been brainwashed into believing that good cinema = light-hearted CGI marathons with characters in capes cracking jokes, quipping and having shared universes. No wonder everything outside this is dying at the box office. Highly disagree. Most comic book movies today are actually just fan service, forgettable CGI laden clusterbombs (and I include most blockbusters too like Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Predator). There is little that actually engages the audience on thinking or emotional level. Only Infinity War and Deadpool 2 this year have broken this barrier and attempted to tell meaningful emotional stories. The rest of recent years have fallen into the trap of being mindless throwaway ''escapist'' entertainment with very little redeemable substance; the likes of Black Panther, Antman 2, Ragnarok, Guardians of the galaxy 2, Justice League, Venom and in all likelihood Aquaman. Bathos humour, which MCU has perfected, is degrading and insults intelligence of audiences. Ragnarok is the absolute worst example of this. So many scenes where the importance of the story is downplayed for laughs. If the main characters don't care about the stakes of the film, then why should I the viewer. There is no Thor comic where hes acting like this in Ragnarok, the simple fact is the Thor franchise was waning (even though Thor 2 is the best depiction of Thor) and Feige gave it the Guardians treatment of making it a dumb comedy so it had the best opportunity to make $$$ at the box office because he knows his audience market well.
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