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Post by hi224 on Oct 11, 2018 21:54:20 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 11, 2018 22:53:09 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance?
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Post by Nora on Oct 12, 2018 0:13:02 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance? music, song, her acting. only the song will get it though. |
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Post by Nora on Oct 12, 2018 0:13:36 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well. i agree the relationship with the brother could have been explored better. the rest of what you describe as flaws didnt bother me. |
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Post by poes on Oct 12, 2018 0:26:59 GMT
Well Like The Greatest Showman the movie has what every studio wishes for: Great word of mouth! Expect it to outgross Venom this weekend, which will be an incredible feat. The music is obviously a driving factor, just check out the itunes chart: www.doipod.com/itunes-charts/itunes-top-100-songs-usa/ |
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Post by poes on Oct 12, 2018 0:32:42 GMT
Following an October record opening, Venom is considered the industry favorite to repeat in first place this weekend, but the usual front-loading of comic book pics will be doubled up by the fact that the film loses many IMAX and PLF screens to one of the weekend’s new releases. That could result in a close race for the top two spots as A Star Is Born continues to display excellent holding power in its early days and a sophomore frame north of $25 million looks increasingly possible based on our current models. pro.boxoffice.com/weekend-forecast-first-man-goosebumps-haunted-halloween-bad-times-el-royale/ |
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Post by poes on Oct 20, 2018 16:08:19 GMT
Ha ha ha! Madonna must be so jealous. EVITA was never that big a hit although she did get a golden globe and no Oscar nomination!
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Post by moviemanjackson on Oct 20, 2018 21:20:42 GMT
Editing was hit or miss but overall I enjoyed this a lot.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 21, 2018 4:37:17 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance? Actor Picture Director Editing 3 song noms Actress Supporting Actor cinematography |
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Post by hi224 on Oct 21, 2018 4:37:48 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance? music, song, her acting. only the song will get it though. Cooper is a frontrunner right now. |
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Post by mactwist2 on Oct 21, 2018 13:34:12 GMT
I would say i disagree with most of what you said. It felt genuine to me. I've known multiple guys like cooper (not rockstars) but alcoholics and drug addicts. Most aren't bad dudes and they've tried to change for people but are in too deep. I've known many girls who put up with their bs would their personality would say they wouldn't. It's not that uncommon. If you love someone you give them chance after chance. I'd have liked to explore the brother relationship more but it was alrdy a bit long so i get why they didn't and am satisfied with what we did get.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 22, 2018 2:17:51 GMT
I would say i disagree with most of what you said. It felt genuine to me. I've known multiple guys like cooper (not rockstars) but alcoholics and drug addicts. Most aren't bad dudes and they've tried to change for people but are in too deep. I've known many girls who put up with their bs would their personality would say they wouldn't. It's not that uncommon. If you love someone you give them chance after chance. I'd have liked to explore the brother relationship more but it was alrdy a bit long so i get why they didn't and am satisfied with what we did get. yeah but Ally's character felt like someone rewrote her midway through the screenplay, the women who tells her boyfriend off on the phone and punches a guy at a bar feels removed from the more rational girl in the second half of the movie. Thats at least How I simply felt, but I see what your saying as well. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 16, 2019 16:38:22 GMT
Just saw this. I wasn't overly keen on seeing it and if I missed it, I wouldn't have lost sleep over it, but I am pleased I have now seen it. I went in with pretty much no expectations and the film didn't really play any differently to how I envisioned it would. I found it very predictable— I guess that couldn't be helped, being a fourth remake of a well known story—but it wasn't as dull or as romantically squirmish as I though it would be, being a het relationship story. I got Jack's need to find someone to take care of and help of course. The main reason for me to see this was for Lady Gaga, being curious with all the praise she has been getting. I don't know anything of her music and I did find her to be a powerful singer, but she is also very generic sounding. I did not find her unique in this department. She also doesn't have the star power or screen presence of a Streisand or Garland either. I found her performance decent, but nothing exceptional. Her looks are average and so is her body and her short and what I see as borderline dumpy stature doesn't help either. My biggest surprise was Cooper. I have never really liked him and he comes across as smug, but he had a plum role here and I found him very believable. He was better than her. I also don't have much quibble with his direction either and the film clipped along quite nicely. Presentation wise, it didn't seem as flat, or as drawn out as the Streisand\Kristofferson version. This doesn't mean however, I liked it better. I like the concert scenes in the 76' version, the 70's feel and Streisand's dynamic presence and performance on stage. She is also a better actor than Gaga. I found some of the later music sequences in the film to be comparable to something I would see on Idol or The Voice. I know this is the millennial style, but it really doesn't rock my boat much, especially when there is too much razzle dazzle lighting to sensationalize it all. Perhaps this was the point though, because the end song with Gaga, was more on point with how she needed to be presented. It appears though, that Gaga herself is a bit of show pony with how she presents herself, so if this was the case, it is a bit contradictory and hypocritical thematically. Perhaps this would have been a more fun and entertaining film, if they had focused on the drag queens and Gaga performing with them, pretending to be a drag queen herself and Jack falling in love with her, thinking she is a dude in a dress....  For those that haven't seen it, I highly recommend Mark Rydell's The Rose - 79' with Bette Midler. Her character is a Janice Joplin type and is like a female version of the Kristofferson\Cooper character. I find the film terrific and Midler is a revelation. Her performance is powerful and real. No emotional stone is left unturned and she exposes her nerves raw. It was truly an Oscar worthy turn and Sally Field should hand over her Oscar to Midler for an erratic and somewhat phony turn as Norma Rae. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 16, 2019 16:44:14 GMT
I would say i disagree with most of what you said. It felt genuine to me. I've known multiple guys like cooper (not rockstars) but alcoholics and drug addicts. Most aren't bad dudes and they've tried to change for people but are in too deep. I've known many girls who put up with their bs would their personality would say they wouldn't. It's not that uncommon. If you love someone you give them chance after chance. I'd have liked to explore the brother relationship more but it was alrdy a bit long so i get why they didn't and am satisfied with what we did get. yeah but Ally's character felt like someone rewrote her midway through the screenplay, the women who tells her boyfriend off on the phone and punches a guy at a bar feels removed from the more rational girl in the second half of the movie. Thats at least How I simply felt, but I see what your saying as well. I feel that scene near the start when Ally punches out that guy for insulting Jack, was just for impression. She was getting this attention from somebody famous and she would have been hyped up as well. The rest of it was more about her having to take a stand due to her rise in fame and the professional image she had to mould herself into. If one is held in reverence, they need to act worthy of that idolatry and be a role model. That aspect appeared clear to me. She was the level head, that Jack wasn't.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 16, 2019 16:49:34 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well. the rest of what you describe as flaws didnt bother me. I didn't quite buy into the brother relationship aspect either. Elliot mumbled his way through his role, as though he was channeling Kris Kristofferson from the earlier version and I found his character distracting and unnecessary, due to the lack of exploration.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 19, 2019 7:55:51 GMT
I viewed A Star Is Born twice, the second time in the IMAX in December. I considered it "pretty good" the first time (meaning above-average) and "pretty good/good" the second time, meaning that I liked it slightly better. The film is atmospheric, the singing and musical aspects are excellent, and Cooper's performance (both his acting and his singing) stand out. Moreover, his direction is solid and shows a nice feel for human interaction (both tragic and comic) and the visceral nature of a musician's existence, although he does not offer much in the way of visual composition.
The movie's main flaw is that it cannot transcend its "old Hollywood" structure and sensibilities. (I viewed the original, from 1954 with Judy Garland and James Mason in the leading roles, in the theater in April 2016; I have not seen the 1976 version.) Thus the film's climactic development, which should create an emotional wallop, fails to make enough of an impact due to excessive sentimentality and foreshadowing. And while the film presents compelling concerns about selling out one's artistic integrity for the sake of fame and popular marketability, it fails to fully develop them or take them to their potentially devastating conclusion. Instead, the movie presents the theme, cultivates the conflict for awhile, and then sort of lets it drop, as if the exploration is too dicey.
The best scenes come early, as the Cooper and Gaga characters feel each other out, and I actually liked the editing.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 19, 2019 7:57:24 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well. How did you feel that Jack (this movie's version of Norman) sold out? |
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 19, 2019 7:58:49 GMT
i agree the relationship with the brother could have been explored better. the rest of what you describe as flaws didnt bother me. I didn't quite buy into the brother relationship aspect either. Elliot mumbled his way through his role, as though he was channeling Kris Kristofferson from the earlier version and I found his character distracting and unnecessary, due to the lack of exploration. That aspect might have been a tad archetypal, as suggested by the casting of Elliott. As I noted earlier, A Star Is Born cannot transcend its "old Hollywood" roots. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 19, 2019 8:43:47 GMT
I didn't quite buy into the brother relationship aspect either. Elliot mumbled his way through his role, as though he was channeling Kris Kristofferson from the earlier version and I found his character distracting and unnecessary, due to the lack of exploration. That aspect might have been a tad archetypal, as suggested by the casting of Elliott. As I noted earlier, A Star Is Born cannot transcend its "old Hollywood" roots. It was a role that was superfluous, to what some of the audience would have been aware of about the story. I can't comment on the first 2 versions, as I haven't seen them, but in the 76' version, none of this family stuff cropped up if I recall for Kristofferson's character. Elliot is also around 30yrs Cooper's senior. It was casting for sensational effect only. |
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Post by hi224 on Jan 19, 2019 16:31:57 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well. How did you feel that Jack (this movie's version of Norman) sold out? I believed that was pretty clear that he had issues with his celebrity hence the whole excess drinking and apathy he exuded regarding his fame status. |
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