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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 23:58:30 GMT
Watching the Giants game last night was very interesting with 2 'Dominant' offensive weapons in Barkley and OBJ.
That being said - the team as a whole blows.
Build a team in order of importance if you've got an abundance of draft picks and a ton of free agent money to throw around.
Call me 'Old School' but I go:
1. Offensive Line
2. QB
3. Defensive Line
4. Secondary
5. WR/TE
6. RB
7. Special Teams
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Post by marsexplorer on Oct 13, 2018 0:18:18 GMT
That's a tricky one because if you "Build a team around" it has to be the QB first and then the OL.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 0:45:51 GMT
I'd rank it
1) QB - Most important position in sports imo
2) O Line
3) Secondary
4) Receivers
5) D Line
6) RB
But in all honesty the way football is going you could argue just build up your offense because defense will cease to exist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 0:47:47 GMT
That's a tricky one because if you "Build a team around" it has to be the QB first and then the OL. But what do you say about Nick Foles winning a Super Bowl - and didn't Hostettler and one of the 'Johnsons' (Brad?) win one too? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 0:49:43 GMT
I'd rank it 1) QB - Most important position in sports imo 2) O Line 3) Secondary 4) Receivers 5) D Line 6) RB But in all honesty the way football is going you could argue just build up your offense because defense will cease to exist. I'd rank goaltender in the NHL most important in all of sports. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 13, 2018 1:06:35 GMT
That's a tricky one because if you "Build a team around" it has to be the QB first and then the OL. But what do you say about Nick Foles winning a Super Bowl - and didn't Hostettler and one of the 'Johnsons' (Brad?) win one too? Yes, because 3 out of 53 Super Bowls is a trend. QB first, OL second, DL third, whatever in between, skill positions last |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 1:19:12 GMT
But what do you say about Nick Foles winning a Super Bowl - and didn't Hostettler and one of the 'Johnsons' (Brad?) win one too? Yes, because 3 out of 53 Super Bowls is a trend. QB first, OL second, DL third, whatever in between, skill positions last Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't know Stabler, Plunkett, McMahon, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer were also considered 'Elite'  You build first from the O-Line Dolt - it's about 'ball control' and managing the clock and winning time of possession. It's the Beasts up front who protect that QB, give the RB gaps to run and find the QB time to hit open WRs downfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 1:25:51 GMT
The trend today is build your team around a cheap Quarterback and pay players to surround him. You saw that last year with the Eagles, Wentz being on his rookie deal and Nick Foles paid as a good backup while surrounding the team with talent elsewhere. We're seeing teams go all in now with this thinking. Rams with Goff, Bears with Trubisky, Chiefs with Mahomes. The Seahawks won a Super Bowl using this same building while Wilson was cheap. Either way, it starts with the Quarterback. Once you have to pay that guy then shit gets a lot harder. In terms of the Bears it doesn't even matter if Trubisky is good or not. It starts with him and a cost controlled contract and built around that.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 13, 2018 1:31:15 GMT
Yes, because 3 out of 53 Super Bowls is a trend. QB first, OL second, DL third, whatever in between, skill positions last Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't know Stabler, Plunkett, McMahon, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer were also considered 'Elite' You build first from the O-Line Dolt - it's about 'ball control' and managing the clock and winning time of possession. It's the Beasts up front who protect that QB, give the RB gaps to run and find the QB time to hit open WRs downfield. The Cowboys have a great OL, what good does it do their terrible QB? Without a good QB, nothing else matters. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 2:50:07 GMT
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't know Stabler, Plunkett, McMahon, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer were also considered 'Elite' You build first from the O-Line Dolt - it's about 'ball control' and managing the clock and winning time of possession. It's the Beasts up front who protect that QB, give the RB gaps to run and find the QB time to hit open WRs downfield. The Cowboys have a great OL, what good does it do their terrible QB? Without a good QB, nothing else matters. They do? Or is that hearsay like the Raiders 2 years back and now Carr blows too? I thought they were decimated by injuries too. Where's their center at - is he still out? I thought the Birds had a tremendous offense line too - Peters is looking so spry and young isn't he? And I love Johnson running his mouth all offseason and coming up small.....oh Big V - he's 'our' future |
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Post by stickman38 on Oct 13, 2018 4:42:29 GMT
QB is the obvious answer I suppose. Even though I am a big believer in defense, you gotta start with QB. However, the single biggest decision you make is perhaps who you hire as the head coach. A good coach can take average players and turn them into great players.
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Post by sdm3 on Oct 13, 2018 6:51:13 GMT
I actually have to agree with frogs here and opt for o-line. What good is having a great young QB if he's beaten to a pulp every game? He can have all the talent in the world but he's not gonna have a long career unless he has protection. Make sure your signal caller, whoever it is, has time to throw and make plays first and foremost. Even If he's an athletically gifted Russell Wilson type who has to spend most of the game running for his life because his line sucks, he's constantly one freak accident away from missing the entire season or worse. Most QBs in the NFL are competent enough to make plays provided they have time to throw. Unfortunately a lot of them don't. The Colts have had one of the most gifted QBs in the league for years, but I spend every week wondering if this'll finally be the week his arm falls out of its socket because of all those years playing behind a porous line.
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Oct 13, 2018 8:52:01 GMT
I actually have to agree with frogs here and opt for o-line. What good is having a great young QB if he's beaten to a pulp every game? He can have all the talent in the world but he's not gonna have a long career unless he has protection. Make sure your signal caller, whoever it is, has time to throw and make plays first and foremost. Even If he's an athletically gifted Russell Wilson type who has to spend most of the game running for his life because his line sucks, he's constantly one freak accident away from missing the entire season or worse. Most QBs in the NFL are competent enough to make plays provided they have time to throw. Unfortunately a lot of them don't. The Colts have had one of the most gifted QBs in the league for years, but I spend every week wondering if this'll finally be the week his arm falls out of its socket because of all those years playing behind a porous line. I think back to the Browns with Tim Couch. Dude was constantly injured and the O line was beat to hell and they couldn't protect him for shit. Another injury prone guy, RGIII. The guy couldn't walk to his mailbox without tearing something but watching those game I saw him having the same problems as Eli is. Guys would just waltz right through the Washington O line and put him on the ground in 2 seconds.
If the O line plays like they are just there to collect a pay check, you are screwed.
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Post by No_Socks_Here on Oct 13, 2018 10:22:17 GMT
A good O-line will open holes for your running game and make a 2nd tier QB look much better than he really is. There's no need to have a blue chip QB if he's on his ass or running for his life all game long.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 13, 2018 12:29:20 GMT
You can turn it around just as easily and say what good is a stud OL if you have a QB that can’t make the plays. Tell me, would you rather have Aaron Rodgers and an average line or a good line and Dak Prescott?
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Post by No_Socks_Here on Oct 13, 2018 14:22:33 GMT
This season it seems that both of your scenarios are true and both teams suck.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 13, 2018 14:59:54 GMT
OL probably. I'd draft a QB at least every other year. 7th rounder could become great with maturity, who knows.
1. OL
2. QB
3. DL
4. Secondary
5. WR/TE
6. Special Teams
7. RB
When I played Madden owner mode I'd focus on a great OL, let a young QB do whatever I wanted with the protection, have time to throw to young WRs to develop... I'd also focus the most on secondary for D. I'd have contracts end when nearly anyone turned 30 so I wouldn't have to pay for declining performance - my fav part was developing young players into stars, then trading them for draft picks when they turned 29 or 30.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 13, 2018 16:42:08 GMT
I actually have to agree with frogs here and opt for o-line. Agreed. Football games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 17:10:14 GMT
You can turn it around just as easily and say what good is a stud OL if you have a QB that can’t make the plays. Tell me, would you rather have Aaron Rodgers and an average line or a good line and Dak Prescott? I'd rather have a beast of an O-Line and win a Super Bowl with Nick Foles  |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 13, 2018 18:17:54 GMT
You can turn it around just as easily and say what good is a stud OL if you have a QB that can’t make the plays. Tell me, would you rather have Aaron Rodgers and an average line or a good line and Dak Prescott? I'd rather have a beast of an O-Line and win a Super Bowl with Nick Foles that worked for one fluky year. More times than not you need a stud qb. That’s why virtually all of the recent Super Bowls were won by Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Warner. |
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