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Post by Salzmank on Apr 9, 2017 21:34:39 GMT
I've checked many of the screwball comedies, without success. Do any of these ring a bell?... www.filmsite.org/mysteryfilms.htmlI'll check the Bulldog Drummond ones as I have them all on computer, but I don't recollect any lake business in any of them. No, nothing on there. That's why I was thinking it was probably a one-off, not a series entry. (And I'm relatively sure it's not Drummond.) Mike Grost has a great website about detective stories that I read often for its insight and breadth. I've been trying to look on there because he has an article devoted to the Lockridges, to see if there were authors who wrote similarly, but I have not yet found anything. (Well, I have found Kelley Roos, and I think they made movies out of those books, but I don't think any of them is the one.) Thanks again for your help! I really do appreciate it.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 9, 2017 23:08:55 GMT
Definitely NOT Bulldog Drummond. I've checked them all. Thanks for the Grost link. You're probably checking it from the top down. I'll check from the bottom up. :-)
I'm coming to the conclusion that this was a one-off plot written by the screenwriter, and not an adaptation of a novel by an established whodunnit author.
I don't think it's a British movie of the era as I know most of them (I was brought up with them). I've been through all the American comedies of the era without success.
I'll keep looking, but I think this one has me beat. Have you checked youtube? There's lots of 40s movies on there.
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 10, 2017 2:46:23 GMT
Definitely NOT Bulldog Drummond. I've checked them all. Thanks for the Grost link. You're probably checking it from the top down. I'll check from the bottom up. :-) I'm coming to the conclusion that this was a one-off plot written by the screenwriter, and not an adaptation of a novel by an established whodunnit author. I don't think it's a British movie of the era as I know most of them (I was brought up with them). I've been through all the American comedies of the era without success. I'll keep looking, but I think this one has me beat. Have you checked youtube? There's lots of 40s movies on there. I have checked YouTube and, incidentally, watched two fairly good mystery movies on there recently ( The Night of the Party, with the grand Ernest Thesiger, and Haunted Honeymoon, with Robert Montgomery and Constance Cummings) that I recommend. But that's irrelevant, of course! I don't think it's British either; for some reason, I seem to recall its being set...in California, maybe? I can't quite remember. Checking Grost's site, I was excited because I'd thought I'd found it in Kelley Roos's The Frightened Stiff, which was filmed as A Night to Remember in '42--but, no, that doesn't seem to be it either, at least from the plot description on Wikipedia. Definitely similar, though. As for the bar scene... I think that the heroine might have been a blonde--not sure, of course! I'm really trying to go back in my memory here. The two that come to mind for similar-looking (except for hair color) are Googie Withers and Loretta Young, though that may just be because Miss Withers was in Haunted Honeymoon and Miss Young in A Night to Remember!
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 10, 2017 5:50:59 GMT
Thanks for the heads-up of "Haunted Honeymoon". That's a new one on Y/tube. I've been wanting it for a long time. I'm a Wimsey fan. It's a rendering of Busman's Honeymoon. I have a BBC radio serial version of it with Ian Carmichael as Wimsey.
I checked out A Night to Remember too, also dozens of late-30s and 40s movies on Y/tube. Nothing! Unless you can come up with another clue I guess I'm stumped! I'm for bed. Will try again later.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 10, 2017 12:50:05 GMT
I posted this on a couple of other movie sites I belong to.
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"Lost movie?
A comic husband-and-wife mystery-solving couple picture from the '40s that I saw years ago but of which I cannot remember the title. Can anyone help?
The husband and wife went to some hotel, and there were murders (of course), and I think the murderer was the hotel manager, and the climax comes when the husband is thrown into a chest and dumped in a lake (or something like that). Does anyone know this one? I can't seem to find it. I'm pretty sure it was a B &W American movie, located in California.
Not The Thin Man series, I've checked Mr. and Mrs. North which was based on a series by Richard and Frances Lockridge.
I'm thinking there might have been a scene in the movie involving a bar. The couple were sitting at a bar with another character, and the bartender was growing angry because they were drinking so much, or... Nope, just lost the memory. But maybe something like that?
As said, at the end, the murderer, who had been friendly the whole time, takes the husband away to some secluded location near the lake--a lake house, maybe?--and that's where he stuffs him in the trunk. I think. He's rescued.
It's driving me nuts, so please help if you can."
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Hope that's OK with you. :-)
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 10, 2017 13:24:32 GMT
I posted this on a couple of other movie sites I belong to. ----------- "Lost movie?
A comic husband-and-wife mystery-solving couple picture from the '40s that I saw years ago but of which I cannot remember the title. Can anyone help?
The husband and wife went to some hotel, and there were murders (of course), and I think the murderer was the hotel manager, and the climax comes when the husband is thrown into a chest and dumped in a lake (or something like that). Does anyone know this one? I can't seem to find it. I'm pretty sure it was a B &W American movie, located in California.
Not The Thin Man series, I've checked Mr. and Mrs. North which was based on a series by Richard and Frances Lockridge.
I'm thinking there might have been a scene in the movie involving a bar. The couple were sitting at a bar with another character, and the bartender was growing angry because they were drinking so much, or... Nope, just lost the memory. But maybe something like that?
As said, at the end, the murderer, who had been friendly the whole time, takes the husband away to some secluded location near the lake--a lake house, maybe?--and that's where he stuffs him in the trunk. I think. He's rescued.
It's driving me nuts, so please help if you can."----------- Hope that's OK with you. :-) That's fine, thanks for letting me know. By the way, to what sites did you post it, if you don't mind my asking?
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 10, 2017 13:48:29 GMT
Thanks for the heads-up of "Haunted Honeymoon". That's a new one on Y/tube. I've been wanting it for a long time. I'm a Wimsey fan. It's a rendering of Busman's Honeymoon. I have a BBC radio serial version of it with Ian Carmichael as Wimsey. I checked out A Night to Remember too, also dozens of late-30s and 40s movies on Y/tube. Nothing! Unless you can come up with another clue I guess I'm stumped! I'm for bed. Will try again later. Oh, Lord, no need to stay up all night and check that much! My sincere thanks again, though. On the subject of Haunted Honeymoon... I'm a Wimsey fan too, and, with Haunted Honeymoon, once you get past the fact that Montgomery's no Brit, he's a fairly engaging Lord Peter. Constance Cummings is as pert and pretty as ever, but she's not given as much to work with in this one as she is in, say, Remember Last Night? or the '36 Seven Sinners. She's not particularly like Harriet Vane in the books, but it's still fun to see her. As usual with Sayers's books, the murderer's identity is not too difficult to guess, but there's a particularly ingenious alibi that is successfully transferred to the screen here (there's a delightful epiphanic moment in which Montgomery snaps, "Why did I ask for the time?" which provides a major clue). And, on the whole, the picture is light, funny, and entertaining. Good fun.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 10, 2017 14:23:16 GMT
A usual thing for me. I'm 77 and at that age sleep patterns go to hell :-) Haven't watched HH yet. I have that joy to come. :-) ~~~The other sites~~~ I deleted the message from one as I suddenly realised it was a devoted SciFi site. The heads of most members seemed to be somewhere in the Andromeda galaxy. The other is an Aussie site "Whirlpool". whirlpool.net.au/I've just submitted the same message to "NytramsPlace". nytramsplace.activeboard.com/t63437597/lost-movie/The first time I've used either site. Nytrams I joined when IMDb went down, but never used it. I just deleted that SciFi nonsense and joined Whirpool instead.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 10, 2017 20:32:57 GMT
Just watched HH. While enjoyable there were a couple of flaws which became irritating as the plot moved on.
Firstly the 'honeymoon cottage'. Never have I seen a Devonshire cottage (or an English cottage anywhere) with such interior decor and design. It seems to come straight out of Hollywood's idea as to what the interior of such a cottage would look like or should look like. Quasi Plantagenet, Tudor, Jacobean, Georgian all in there, with a touch of Los Angeles thrown in for good measure. And yet it was apparently filmed at Denham Studios, in Buckinghamshire, England. Strange. Go figure!
Secondly, I agree with one IMDb reviewer's comments that the movie's main difficulty (and I quote)... "seems to lie in Robert Montgomery's portrayal of Lord Peter Wimsey. It just doesn't click. This very fine actor made a career from playing suave, sophisticated characters, which Lord Peter should be, but you can never for a moment forget that this is only Robert Montgomery playing a role; nor for an instant do you believe that this is Lord Peter come to life. And the American accent surely doesn't help, either. The lovely Constance Cummings, as Lady Harriet, suffers much the same fate."
But on the whole, not a bad wee movie. :-)
Just one query. I have to wonder why the producers found it necessary to change the name from "Busman's Honeymoon", which fits the plot much better than "Haunted". Is it because perhaps Americans don't use the term Busman in this context? i.e. "A busman's holiday" is one that is spent doing the same things as when working.
PS --- no answer yet about your lost movie.
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 10, 2017 22:48:46 GMT
Just watched HH. While enjoyable there were a couple of flaws which became irritating as the plot moved on. Firstly the 'honeymoon cottage'. Never have I seen a Devonshire cottage (or an English cottage anywhere) with such interior decor and design. It seems to come straight out of Hollywood's idea as to what the interior of such a cottage would look like or should look like. Quasi Plantagenet, Tudor, Jacobean, Georgian all in there, with a touch of Los Angeles thrown in for good measure. And yet it was apparently filmed at Denham Studios, in Buckinghamshire, England. Strange. Go figure! Secondly, I agree with one IMDb reviewer's comments that the movie's main difficulty (and I quote)... "seems to lie in Robert Montgomery's portrayal of Lord Peter Wimsey. It just doesn't click. This very fine actor made a career from playing suave, sophisticated characters, which Lord Peter should be, but you can never for a moment forget that this is only Robert Montgomery playing a role; nor for an instant do you believe that this is Lord Peter come to life. And the American accent surely doesn't help, either. The lovely Constance Cummings, as Lady Harriet, suffers much the same fate."But on the whole, not a bad wee movie. :-) Just one query. I have to wonder why the producers found it necessary to change the name from "Busman's Honeymoon", which fits the plot much better than "Haunted". Is it because perhaps Americans don't use the term Busman in this context? i.e. "A busman's holiday" is one that is spent doing the same things as when working. PS --- no answer yet about your lost movie. Good thoughts, Tarathian. Thanks! I suppose one major deficit of the picture is, as you say, that it just doesn't seem British. This despite the presence of a nearly all-British supporting cast, too. The cottage was silly, as you say--and what an enormous "cottage"! I suppose Montgomery's casting isn't perfect--he's not an ideal Wimsey, and, no, the accent doesn't help--but, if you judge it purely as an acting performance, I would say it's fine. It may be interesting to note that the picture was based on Sayers' stage play of Busman's Honeymoon, not the original book, and that Sayers changed Wimsey's character to be more general than the well-characterized figure of the book. Indeed, much of the book's characterization is pretty much scrapped in the film. (Sayers called the book "a love story with detective interruptions," and the movie turns it the other way around.) I do think, however, that the scene in which Montgomery is making all the deductions, from (1) the absence of the clock and (2) the flower pot, is grand and very Wimseycal (if I'm allowed to make up that word), recalling all the elaborate deduction sequences of Whose Body? and Clouds of Witness. I also enjoyed that sequence, as noted, for the clever plotting from Sayers's novel, admirably retained in the adaptation. (Still, I would've made that gun-toting vicar the murderer!) As for Busman's Honeymoon the title... According to Wikipedia, that was the original title under which it was released in London, and Haunted Honeymoon was only what it was retitled when it came over here. So, is it that we Americans just didn't know about a busman's holiday? I knew the expression, but, hey, that's just me--so I looked it up and found several sources stating that it was just as common in the U.S. Not very common now, I hasten to add (we have always used vacation, but we used to use holiday fairly interchangeably, and now we don't), but just as common as in Britain in the '40s. So, what's the answer? At the end of the day, I think it's probably money: Haunted Honeymoon is a more intriguing title than Busman's Honeymoon. "Haunted? What, how?" (Some filmgoers must have been awfully disappointed by the lack of any kind of ghost!) "Busman's honeymoon" doesn't exactly smack, though, of mystery and intrigue. At least, I guess.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 10, 2017 23:11:40 GMT
We seem to be on much the same thought level. I confess I'd forgotten that you use the word 'vacation' more than 'holiday', so maybe that was the reason. Could there have been copyright issues I wonder? Notwithstanding, it goes into my Wimsey collection. I think I have all the TV adaptations and the radio versions, so this movie completes the collection. Unless there are ones I haven't heard of. Thanks again for the heads-up.
Any more advance on the lost movie?
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 10, 2017 23:21:03 GMT
We seem to be on much the same thought level. I confess I'd forgotten that you use the word 'vacation' more than 'holiday', so maybe that was the reason. Could there have been copyright issues I wonder? Notwithstanding, it goes into my Wimsey collection. I think I have all the TV adaptations and the radio versions, so this movie completes the collection. Unless there are ones I haven't heard of. Thanks again for the heads-up. Any more advance on the lost movie? None, unfortunately. None on your end?
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 10, 2017 23:25:19 GMT
Nope. I was just about to start looking. I wish I had Wimsey's intellect. I'd find it in minutes. :-)
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 11, 2017 1:00:22 GMT
Got a reply with the suggestion of "Star of Midnight", but I'm sure that's not the one. Never thought to ask, but I'm sure you would have said...was it a contemporary piece (i.e. made and set in the 40s) or a period piece?
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 11, 2017 1:41:57 GMT
Got a reply with the suggestion of "Star of Midnight", but I'm sure that's not the one. Never thought to ask, but I'm sure you would have said...was it a contemporary piece (i.e. made and set in the 40s) or a period piece? No, not Star of Midnight. That's a good movie, though, one of the better Thin Man knock-offs. It was definitely a contemporary piece. Very fast-paced, screwball, running all around the city (before they got to the hotel?) sort of thing.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 11, 2017 1:54:14 GMT
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 11, 2017 12:22:10 GMT
Popular movie series of the late 40s early 50s went into TV and radio in half-hour slots. As far as I can discover only a few were deemed an hour airspace, especially as much of the time was taken up with commercials.
Did you see this movie at the cinema/theatre or on TV?
I'm thinking that what you saw was perhaps an episode of a larger series such as "Hitchcock Presents" rather than a feature movie. However what knocks this suggestion on the head as far as mystery seri goes, is your "screwball" description. That would put it more in line with a comedy series such as "I love Lucy" rather than mystery, the latter tending to become more serious but comfortable, hackneyed and soapy, away from the big screen.
I suppose what I'm getting at is how sure are you that this is a feature movie?
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 11, 2017 15:42:31 GMT
tarathian123, I just got a message from teleadm on the other thread suggestion a picture called Having Wonderful Crime. I'm not sure, but I think it may be the one. I'm going to have to take a look at it later. (To answer your question, though, it was definitely a feature. Thanks for asking!)
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 11, 2017 17:57:04 GMT
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 12, 2017 0:06:31 GMT
I was finally able to take a look at that clip, tarathian123 , and I think it's the one! There's the lake--there's the mystery solving couple--there's the blonde--no chest, but, hey, they're tied up, and there's dialogue about a trunk!--there's a lodge--and there's a different scene set at a bar! Yup, I'm pretty sure this is the one. My thanks for all your help, tarathian123 . I appreciate everything you've done to help me on this search. Silly, in the long run, but important to me, if only to solve a mystery--about a mystery! Thanks again. Salzmank P.S. Oh, and by the way--if you're interested in more mysteries, I might as well send you over to the old "Singer in Sleuth" thread. If you can solve that one, I think the world will give you an award--or at least I will!
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