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Post by Skaathar on Feb 20, 2017 21:02:22 GMT
I think both DC and MCU TV shows are trying to get onboard the PC bandwagon. The big difference is that the MCU shows handle it in a subtle manner whereas the DC shows have this "preachy" feel to it. As an example, let's compare Supergirl with Jessica Jones. Both shows have lesbian relationships in them. But whereas Supergirl makes a big deal out of her sister's homosexuality, making multiple references about it and having Supergirl talk to her sister about it, the lawyer in Jessica Jones doesn't even mention it. They just show her dating a woman. They don't call attention to it, they just show her going on with her daily life and show her relationship as part of her life. Both shows also feature a black male character in a leading/romantic role. But whereas Supergirl had to change the race of Jimmy Olsen, heck completely changed his personality to become Supergirl's love interest, Jessica Jones actually took an already existing black male character for her show (Luke Cage). They had a character that was supposed to be IN the show and is an actual love interest of JJ. They didn't have to fabricate it. Both shows also showcase a woman in power: Cat Grant and Jeri Hogarth. But whereas Cat Grant will always take the opportunity to tell you how she's a powerful woman and how hard it was to become powerful in a male dominated world or how she had to work extra hard because she's a woman, Hogarth just shows why she's powerful and good at what she does. She doesn't need to explain herself or tell you that she's successful, they just show it. I could go on, and I can even draw a parallel between Arrow/Flash and Agents of SHIELD, but you get the idea. Do they really do that? I'm all for inclusion and diversity of characters, but that sounds very patronizing. I do agree that Marvel handles diversity better. In fact I liked how they introduced a gay character without being preachy. I actually wish he was on the show more. Yeah they do it, and they do it repeatedly. If I were to summarize, it would look something like this: DC CW shows will make a gay character say that they're gay, or make references to the fact that they're gay. MCU TV shows will just show them being gay, as in show them with their partner. DC shows will show a female in a position of power and make her comment on how hard it was to attain said position despite being a woman. MCU shows will just show that woman in a position of power doing her job. DC shows will change the race of an established character for the sake (I assume) of racial diversity (Wally and Iris West, Jimmy Olsen, etc.) whereas MCU shows will take an already established character of different race and include them in the show (for example using Robbie Reyes as Ghost Rider in AOS instead of Johnny Blaze). I mean, obviously these things don't happen all the time. But I found these to happen quite regularly on the shows.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 20, 2017 21:22:49 GMT
Do they really do that? I'm all for inclusion and diversity of characters, but that sounds very patronizing. I do agree that Marvel handles diversity better. In fact I liked how they introduced a gay character without being preachy. I actually wish he was on the show more. Yeah they do it, and they do it repeatedly. If I were to summarize, it would look something like this: DC CW shows will make a gay character say that they're gay, or make references to the fact that they're gay. MCU TV shows will just show them being gay, as in show them with their partner. DC shows will show a female in a position of power and make her comment on how hard it was to attain said position despite being a woman. MCU shows will just show that woman in a position of power doing her job. DC shows will change the race of an established character for the sake (I assume) of racial diversity (Wally and Iris West, Jimmy Olsen, etc.) whereas MCU shows will take an already established character of different race and include them in the show (for example using Robbie Reyes as Ghost Rider in AOS instead of Johnny Blaze). I mean, obviously these things don't happen all the time. But I found these to happen quite regularly on the shows. There is one thing that both DC and Marvel shows do that I find annoying: unnecessary romance. Especially if they cave into fan ships. I stopped watching arrow because of the Felicity bullshit.
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Post by darthabe on Feb 22, 2017 2:34:59 GMT
Is the fourth one really anything to complain about? We do still have Neo-Nazi groups, unfortunately, and they are a very bad thing. Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Civil War also both featured a Neo-Nazi splinter group called "Hydra". I would say Islam is a far greater threat than Neo Nazi's. And I would say you are a bigoted moron.
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Post by darthabe on Feb 22, 2017 2:41:51 GMT
It's been a while since I've seen Supergirl, so my memory on anything specific is a little fuzzy. Could you give some examples, please? Look, we have Lesbians too! Constant pushing of Global Warming agenda They even wiped out Trump and made the President a woman They have managed to fit Nazi's in somewhere I think. And they have made Jimmy Olsen a black man. I don't watch it all the time just catch it here and there and it makes my stomach turn. Trump is unpopular president who makes George W. Bush look sane by comparison and is a disgusting misogynist. Global warming agenda? LOL you alt right types truly are intimidated by anything that slightly rattles your comfort zone.
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Post by NormanClature on May 4, 2018 14:35:02 GMT
Look, we have Lesbians too! Constant pushing of Global Warming agenda They even wiped out Trump and made the President a woman They have managed to fit Nazi's in somewhere I think. And they have made Jimmy Olsen a black man. I don't watch it all the time just catch it here and there and it makes my stomach turn. hey............lesbians are hot. That's sexist!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:15:41 GMT
hey............lesbians are hot. That's sexist!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 4, 2018 17:54:54 GMT
Actually I thought Civil War was pretty dark.
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Post by Power Ranger on May 4, 2018 17:55:41 GMT
The OP considers that scene to be ‘hot and horny’.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 4, 2018 19:16:16 GMT
Look, we have Lesbians too! Constant pushing of Global Warming agenda They even wiped out Trump and made the President a woman They have managed to fit Nazi's in somewhere I think. And they have made Jimmy Olsen a black man. I don't watch it all the time just catch it here and there and it makes my stomach turn. I think both DC and MCU TV shows are trying to get onboard the PC bandwagon. The big difference is that the MCU shows handle it in a subtle manner whereas the DC shows have this "preachy" feel to it. As an example, let's compare Supergirl with Jessica Jones. Both shows have lesbian relationships in them. But whereas Supergirl makes a big deal out of her sister's homosexuality, making multiple references about it and having Supergirl talk to her sister about it, the lawyer in Jessica Jones doesn't even mention it. They just show her dating a woman. They don't call attention to it, they just show her going on with her daily life and show her relationship as part of her life. Both shows also feature a black male character in a leading/romantic role. But whereas Supergirl had to change the race of Jimmy Olsen, heck completely changed his personality to become Supergirl's love interest, Jessica Jones actually took an already existing black male character for her show (Luke Cage). They had a character that was supposed to be IN the show and is an actual love interest of JJ. They didn't have to fabricate it. Both shows also showcase a woman in power: Cat Grant and Jeri Hogarth. But whereas Cat Grant will always take the opportunity to tell you how she's a powerful woman and how hard it was to become powerful in a male dominated world or how she had to work extra hard because she's a woman, Hogarth just shows why she's powerful and good at what she does. She doesn't need to explain herself or tell you that she's successful, they just show it. I could go on, and I can even draw a parallel between Arrow/Flash and Agents of SHIELD, but you get the idea. not sure about that. Supergirl is way more lighthearted and it's not really fair to compare the two just because both of them have lesbians subplots. Jessica Jones' lesbian is well established. There was never a time she wasn't a lesbian on the show plus she's rich and pwoerful. In Supergirl, the sister is literally coming out over the episodes. Arrow's gay subplot was just treated as a normal part of the show and legends of Tomorrow had a more nonchalant attitude as well which actually started in Arrow.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 4, 2018 19:38:00 GMT
I think both DC and MCU TV shows are trying to get onboard the PC bandwagon. The big difference is that the MCU shows handle it in a subtle manner whereas the DC shows have this "preachy" feel to it. As an example, let's compare Supergirl with Jessica Jones. Both shows have lesbian relationships in them. But whereas Supergirl makes a big deal out of her sister's homosexuality, making multiple references about it and having Supergirl talk to her sister about it, the lawyer in Jessica Jones doesn't even mention it. They just show her dating a woman. They don't call attention to it, they just show her going on with her daily life and show her relationship as part of her life. Both shows also feature a black male character in a leading/romantic role. But whereas Supergirl had to change the race of Jimmy Olsen, heck completely changed his personality to become Supergirl's love interest, Jessica Jones actually took an already existing black male character for her show (Luke Cage). They had a character that was supposed to be IN the show and is an actual love interest of JJ. They didn't have to fabricate it. Both shows also showcase a woman in power: Cat Grant and Jeri Hogarth. But whereas Cat Grant will always take the opportunity to tell you how she's a powerful woman and how hard it was to become powerful in a male dominated world or how she had to work extra hard because she's a woman, Hogarth just shows why she's powerful and good at what she does. She doesn't need to explain herself or tell you that she's successful, they just show it. I could go on, and I can even draw a parallel between Arrow/Flash and Agents of SHIELD, but you get the idea. not sure about that. Supergirl is way more lighthearted and it's not really fair to compare the two just because both of them have lesbians subplots. Jessica Jones' lesbian is well established. There was never a time she wasn't a lesbian on the show plus she's rich and pwoerful. In Supergirl, the sister is literally coming out over the episodes. Arrow's gay subplot was just treated as a normal part of the show and legends of Tomorrow had a more nonchalant attitude as well which actually started in Arrow. Not a main character, but you also have the captain on The Flash.
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Post by DarkManX on May 4, 2018 21:31:59 GMT
The CW shows are beyond preachy and it's one of the reasons I sopped watching (the other being that they now suck).
Every character in every comics has his/her own tone and that needs to be reflected in the shows/movies. Not every character needs to be dark. Alternatively not every character needs to be lighthearted.
The incessant joking every five seconds in the MCU is becoming irritating. It started in AoU and has not stopped. Thor: Ragnarok is probably the most egregious offender at this point.
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Post by thenewnexus on May 4, 2018 22:20:52 GMT
You got villians being beaten by dancing
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 5, 2018 1:59:19 GMT
You got villians being beaten by dancing Which has never happened.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 5, 2018 2:06:28 GMT
You got villians being beaten by dancing You’re just too dumb to live, aren’t you?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 5, 2018 2:18:25 GMT
You got villians being beaten by dancing Which has never happened. It happened in GotG. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was defeated by a Dance-Off.
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Post by dazz on May 5, 2018 2:25:18 GMT
Which has never happened. It happened in GotG. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was defeated by a Dance-Off. He was distracted by Quill challenging him to a dance off, theres a very clear difference, at no point does Ronan start dancing, and no dance off allows for you to shoot your opponent with a bazooka.
Fucking hell how many times will you trot out this idiotic gripe?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 5, 2018 2:39:54 GMT
Which has never happened. It happened in GotG. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was defeated by a Dance-Off. No it didn't and you know it, I made a thread about with an actual clip from the movie that disproves this and you still persist this belief?
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Post by thenewnexus on May 5, 2018 2:40:00 GMT
It only gets worse in IW. Gamora tells starlord to kill her,Drax is just watching them and eating chips then Mantis comes out of nowhere.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 5, 2018 16:33:39 GMT
It only gets worse in IW. Gamora tells starlord to kill her,Drax is just watching them and eating chips then Mantis comes out of nowhere. It must be sad to live life with the anti-fun gene.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 18, 2018 2:51:10 GMT
Nah, they're fine.
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