Captain Marvel might be in Avengers 4 less than we expected

Hope so. Dont like this idea at all that they have to call Capn Marvel to save the day when established Avengers cant get the job done.

poor girl, she needs all the exposure she can get. maybe Disney should have made a real CM movie not a Disney princess movie.

Where's the original post? I just see someone quoting it.



What's the point in this? This is a Marvel Cinematic Universe board for people to discuss things about it. Captain Marvel is a part of it. Nobody gave much of a shit about a lot of the characters before they had a movie.

They Avengers have always been weak. They couldn't even defeat the Chitauri without a nuclear missile from the military.

Why didn't any of the Avengers just fly up into the portal and check? Even if they didn't know there was a mother ship there, at the very least, 1 of them should've flown up into the portal and check how many Chitauri there were so they would know how large the invasion force was.

Seems really stupid and bad strategy that they never bothered to do that, especially since they weren't doing anything but cracking jokes and 1-liners for half an hour while the Chitauri were killing people. Except for Cap, who decided to be a traffic cop and tell people where to run to, because in MCU the US military and law enforcement are so incompetent that the NYPD would never train their officers on how to evacuate people in an emergency despite New York city being the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past.



It means that, instead of destroying the mother ship immediately and thus ending the invasion without any loss of human lives, the Avengers' incompetence resulted in the loss of thousands of human lives while the Avengers were just standing cracking jokes and 1-liners and not knowing how to close the portal or stop the Chitauri for half an hour.

Lets break down your blatant misrepresentations individually.



I always love it when someone moves the Goal Posts. It's proof positive that someone is wrong and they know it. So thanks for agreeing with me.

Your original statement was this:


I showed you were so very wrong here. The Avengers won the battle when BW figured out a way to close the portal.  The Nuke was never needed to win. It's just one more thing The Avengers did to protect people. The Chitauri all dying when the mother ship exploded just saved them time. 

I forgot, you watched this movie illegally. The shitty copy you watched must've been real bad. If you didn't steal a company's IP and you wouldn't have got things so wrong.

There are only 2 members of the original team that can fly without a ship, Ironman and Thor. There is 1 member who can jump that high, Hulk. Two can fly a ship Black Widow and Hawkeye. It's know that Tony, Hawkeye, and Black Widow are normal humans. They can't survive in Space for more than a minute or 2 without out suits. Thor survived for a longer period of time in space than humans in IW, but we don't know if he was unconscious from the ship blowing up or him in a vacuum. We don't know if Hulk or Thor can survive in space and I bet all three wouldn't want to find out while a army is destroying NY. What if they couldn't and died. You would be down 2 Avengers.

Ok so far? Lets tackle to points at once as they are similar


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Ah, you've said this so much, but repeating something doesn't make it factually accurate. The fact that they were actively fighting and telling jokes negates your misrepresentation.

Ironman was the only Avenger in NY with the Chitauri started the invasion.  The Chitauri started flooding in as soon as the portal was opened. Ironman took out 2 or 3 ships on his own, but more were still coming out. Once they get away from the portal they started to split up. 

Why couldn't Ironman take more out and flown into the portal? They were coming out of the portal faster than he could destroy. Also this was a base model suit. He told Jarvis to skip the spinning wheels, ie it didn't have time for special options. In Ironman Jarvis tells Tony that they could make changes to the suit to allow interplanetary flight. This insinuated that Tony's suit normally doesn't have that space capability. 

So we have Ironman against a 100's of aliens coming through a portal to another Universe in space. Let's say that his suit did have the ability to keep him alive in space. How would Tony know  the laws of physics is the same in the other universe. He could pop his head into the portal, after single handly destroying the 100's of scattering aliens pouring out, and his face could've been melted off from high radiation. (or 100 other things)  The only reason he went in with the nuke was he thought he was not going to make it. He proved Captain wrong when Cap told Tony that he was too selfish to lay on a line and let people crawl over him for safety. Tony was willing to sacrifice himself.

"Save the rest for the turn." Meaning it took most of the suits remaining power to just push the Nuke up. 

Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Captain show up in a Quinjet. By this time there are aliens everywhere. With no way of stopping them from coming out at the time. The only way those three could go into the portal is Fly the Quinjet into the portal. Quinjets don't fly in space so they couldn't go. And even if the Quinjet could fly in space. How would one jet take out the Aliens pouring in by itself? By the time they got to NY Chitari were everywhere and more coming out. 

Thor and Hulk got to New York after the Chitari were through and reinforcements were coming every second. Thor tries to bottle neck them with the lighting, but they over ran it. 

The reason Ironman was able to go into the portal when he did with the nuke was Loki had just sent the rest of the Chitauri through. All of Chitauri were attacking the city none of them were protecting the Portal. This was a mistake. Loki is not a very good leader or strategist when it comes to war. One of the reasons why Thor is Worthy of the Throne and Loki is not. 

The Avengers were actively trying to destroy the Aliens that got through the portal before they could get to NY, and trying to stop more from coming in at the same time, working on a way to close the portal, and protecting New Yorkers by killing aliens that were an immediately a threat, and protecting New Yorkers by trying to kill them before they were an immediate threat. I mean Cap saved what looked like 100 people from 3 Chitauri who had a bomb, Nat and Clint saved people from the bus. Thor and Hulk took out a Leviathan before it could kill people, Hawkeye was pointing out strays and coordinating their defense with Cap. And all of them were putting themselves on the front line. They wanted all the Chitauri to fight them. If they were focused on them then they weren't focusing on citizens.


So takes care of that misrepresentation they weren't,  standing around cracking jokes for 30m and letting people die. Lets talk about the jokes.


Your illegal copy of the movie probably didn't have the best sound or visuals in the world.  So you might be misrepresenting the last 1/3rd of the movie unintentionally.  So , how about all those jokes and one liners?  Yes the avengers were joking around with each other while they were actively fighting. This is just like how Soldiers and Police in the real world do when they are actively engaging the enemy. It's "Gallows Humor" It's one of our natural defense mechanisms humans have in the real world. Not everyone who faces stressful situations react that way, but a lot do. You laugh and joke in the Face of Fear to stay calm. In fact there have been more than a few soldiers getting into trouble when their air craft's video feed leaked. While they were killing people with guns and missles, they were joking. Lots of Psychologist chimed in saying that it may look crass, it's a normal reaction to the stress of war. As for cops go hang out with one for 1hr. Their sick sense of humor is their shield to protect themselves. They tell and listen to sick jokes so they don't have to admit the ugly truth about people. 


Finally this little gem. You are insinuating that Marvel portrayed the US Military and Law Enforcement as incompetent. In your long campaign to prove Marvel hates our Police and Soldiers. 



Can you honestly say that you know how people would react if one second it was a normal day and then the next 100's and 100's of Aliens came from the sky killing people? Not just human sized aliens either 100 yard long, creatures who can fly and is wearing metal armor? 


The cops and citizens were in shock. It happens. My brother has epilepsy. When he would start as a kid seizing people would panic. Grown adults who have been teaching for 20 years froze. Kids would start to run away. One teacher ran out of the room one time she was so gripped by panic she couldn't find the office. She had been teaching there for 5 years. They didn't move the office. It was in the same place it always was, but she admitted she paniced saw red and started running looking for it. That is one kid having a seizure. A situation that resolves itself. You are not to do anything other than stopping the person from hiring their head. You don't stick anything in their mouths. As they could snap it off. You are supposed to hold their head as best you can. Then you are to pick out 1 person. And say to them specifically if you know their name to go call 911. This is important. You are telling a specific person to do a specific task. Instead of just calling out some one call 911. You cut through the panic with direct orders.

You can tell Avengers was written with care. Not only was the exchange between the cops, Cap, and the Aliens funny it's 100% accurate. The police were in obvious shock. 1000x more shock than the teachers and kids in my school were. They didn't recognize Cap as an authority figure in their shock. Plus how do they even know that's the real Cap, Aliens are everywhere and he is wearing a mask. After he killed 3 aliens in front them it cut through the shock. And they got moving. There is no shame in being in shock. They are human beings. It would be amazing in the real world if cops snapped out of shock that quickly. I would assume it would take a lot of will power to snap out of it that quickly with an alien war surrounding you. 

The police said that it would be 30min for the National Guard to get there. With panic ensuing cloging up the roads that might've been to conservative a number. Well what about the rest of the military. Why didn't they send air craft. 2 reasons. 1 They had no clue what the aliens can do and if we could damage them. They are aliens for christs sake. If the military were to engage with aircraft without knowing anything about the Aliens not only do you risk pilots lives what happens if an aircraft is hit and a gigantic metal container filled with highly explosive fuel hits the ground in a city? You would effectually be napalm us citizens. 2 it took 20-25 minutes for the government to scramble the first planes just to gain intel when 9/11 happened. Not 100's of planes/aircraft to fight an army. It took them 20-25 just to get eyes on the situation. It would take a lot longer to get a fighting force in the air. And the battle only lasted about 30 minutes. The Avengers won the battle before the US Military could respond.


I really do suggest you either see these movies in the theater or wait to buy, borrow,  or rent these movies on video. It would help save you from getting embarrassed so often. It really puts you at a disadvantage when you critique them.  The shitty low quality illegal downloads you steal makes you get even the most simple things about these movie wrong. I am pretty sure if you could see and here the movie properly people wouldn't have to take their time and correct you. I don't particularly mind helping you out. I wish that we could get you to stop stealing these movies, and not because you get lots of things wrong in them. On a strictly moral stand point we are enabling you to keep on stealing by discussing the movies with you. 

So basically, the Avengers are weak, like I said before.



So you're saying that when the NYPD and NYFD officers ran into the WOrld Trade Center building while the building was burning and people were jumping off from the top of the buidling, the officers were cracking jokes and 1-liners about it?



You've just proven how badly written and 100% inaccurate the Avengers was. Like I said before, New York city has been the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past so the NYPD would have their officers well-trained to handle emergencies and know exactly how to evacuate people in emergencies. Saying that the police officers were in shock is as stupid as saying a passenger on a commercial ariline flight chokes on a piece of food while the plane is in the air and the experienced parademic sitting next to him is in shock and doesn't know what to do.

Parademics are trained to handle medical emergencies. Pilots are trained to handle when a plane experiences depressurization in mid-air. A bomb squad is trained to handle a bomb threat. And the NYPD is trained on what to do in the event of an attack and they need to evacuate people quickly. But MCU Dictator Kevin Feige made the NYPD look incompetent just so the Averngers could look more heroic.

Since Cap couldn't fly and thus was basically useless against the Chitauri, Feige had to give Cap something to do so it wouldn't look like Cap was just standing around doing nothing. So Feige made Cap a traffic cop. Making Cap a glorified traffic cop sure was a great use of that expensive Super Soldier serum!



More bad writing in the Avengers. You probably aren't aware of this, but the military have these things called fighter jets. And these things called fighter jets don't need roads to get somewhere fast.



And yet, whenever radar picks up an unidentified flying object in the sky, the first thing the military does is send a jet to the location of the unidentified flying object to get a visual on it. Yet the military doesn't send any jets to New York city? Of course, because Feige wanted the Avengers to look more heroic!



And when 9/11 happened, there was no Department of Homeland Security and airport passengers could bring bottles of water through the security checkpoints. But since 9/11, a lot of things have changed. The Department of Homeland Security was created. The list of prohibited items that can be carried onto flights now includes any bottles with more than 3ml of liquid as well as many other items that were allowed before. Officers have been trained and response times have been shortened.

So no, it would no longer take 20-25 minutes for the military to scramble fighter jets to New York city, which like I said before has already been the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past. Like I said, that was bad writing in The Avengers. Because Feige wanted the Avengers to look more heroic!

So basically Disney Avengers 4 will be like that other Disney movie The Force Awakens, where Luke is MIA and only has a cameo at the end of the movie.

You mean like how the weak af JL couldn't defeat a poorly rendered PS1 videogame graphic villain with an equally poorly graphics rendered sprite army, without resurrecting the guy who got killed by a LOTR troll in BvS??? Got it.