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Post by jimanchower on Oct 15, 2018 11:44:34 GMT
Captain Marvel might be in Avengers 4 less than we expected
Thanos could have claimed another victim. Following the devastating ending of Avengers: Infinity War, a lot is riding on the arrival of Captain Marvel into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. She's been teased as the most powerful MCU character to date and, as such, fans have long suspected that she'll be the key to defeating Thanos in Avengers 4. We know that Captain Marvel will be appearing in the highly anticipated sequel as the Russo Brothers confirmed earlier this year that Brie Larson had shot scenes on Avengers 4, even before she filmed her solo movie. But could it all be a ruse on Marvel's part, meaning Captain Marvel won't actually be playing a major role in Avengers 4? A new theory from Reddit user ChovvyChofChop offers a bleak fate for Captain Marvel at the end of her upcoming solo movie. They suggest that, much like the mid-credits scene of Ant-Man and The Wasp, Captain Marvel will become a victim of Thanos and his Infinity Snap shortly after receiving Nick Fury's distress message in a post-credits scene. It certainly would be a dark way to end the movie and it's likely that if Captain Marvel's post-credits scenes link to any movie, it would be Avengers 4. However, would Marvel really pull off the same trick in two consecutive movies? If anything, it'd be more unexpected if the credits scenes didn't feature any nod to Avengers 4. However, with Avengers 4 likely to mark the final MCU appearance for both Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr as Captain America and Iron Man, it could make sense that Captain Marvel isn't the one to save the day. The film needs to set up the future of the MCU and Captain Marvel will be central to that – even if Larson hasn't signed up to seven movies – but that doesn't mean she can't allow the original Avengers one final moment in the spotlight. Filming photos certainly hint at bigger parts for Iron Man and Cap than for Captain Marvel, so whether she's dusted by Thanos or not, there's a strong possibility that she might not be in the whole movie. Instead, it could be that she'll turn out to be the final crucial ingredient in the fight against Thanos, making her entrance after the Avengers had done all the timey-wimey stuff to reset the Snap and bring back their fallen heroes. After all, with Nick Fury a pile of dust at the moment, the remaining Avengers might not be even aware that Captain Marvel exists, so she'll have to search them out. And if the Avengers are spending a lot of time in the past in Avengers 4, it would risk seriously messing up the timeline if Captain Marvel popped up to help in the Battle of New York, so a third-act arrival sounds plausible. Of course, until we see Captain Marvel, this is all just guesswork because for all we know, the post-credits scene of that movie could somehow run into a grieving Iron Man, Cap and co. Avengers 4 would then start with her just snapping everyone back to life, swinging by Titan to give Thanos a right telling-off, and then the rest of the movie will just be the Avengers chilling out with their new world-saving BFF. At this point, anything is technically possible. Captain Marvel might be in Avengers 4 less than we expectedSo what is your view on this ? Who gives a shit about Capt Marvel?
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Post by charzhino on Oct 15, 2018 12:04:00 GMT
Hope so. Dont like this idea at all that they have to call Capn Marvel to save the day when established Avengers cant get the job done.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Oct 15, 2018 13:43:27 GMT
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Post by summers8 on Oct 15, 2018 14:14:15 GMT
poor girl, she needs all the exposure she can get. maybe Disney should have made a real CM movie not a Disney princess movie.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 15, 2018 14:28:33 GMT
It comes out after Captain Marvel so people will recognize her well enough.
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Post by scabab on Oct 15, 2018 14:55:52 GMT
Where's the original post? I just see someone quoting it. Who gives a shit about Capt Marvel? What's the point in this? This is a Marvel Cinematic Universe board for people to discuss things about it. Captain Marvel is a part of it. Nobody gave much of a shit about a lot of the characters before they had a movie.
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Post by jimanchower on Oct 15, 2018 14:57:16 GMT
Where's the original post? I just see someone quoting it. Who gives a shit about Capt Marvel? What's the point in this? This is a Marvel Cinematic Universe board for people to discuss things about it. Captain Marvel is a part of it. Nobody gave much of a shit about a lot of the characters before they had a movie. Comic fans cared about those characters before the movies. Nobody cares about Capt Marvel.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 18:21:44 GMT
Hope so. Dont like this idea at all that they have to call Capn Marvel to save the day when established Avengers cant get the job done. They Avengers have always been weak. They couldn't even defeat the Chitauri without a nuclear missile from the military.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 15, 2018 20:23:00 GMT
Hope so. Dont like this idea at all that they have to call Capn Marvel to save the day when established Avengers cant get the job done. They Avengers have always been weak. They couldn't even defeat the Chitauri without a nuclear missile from the military. Ok, this is the last time I explain this, I'll do this slowly, this time.1. Dr. Erik Selvig told Nick Fury before he was turned by Loki that the cube was "She's misbehaving." Establishing that he refers to the cube with a female pronoun and personality. 2. Dr. Erik Selvig told Ironman when he opened up the wormhole that This establishes that The Chitauri are coming from another Universe than the Avenger's Universe. Also it establishes that they'll need a way to stop the device other than with firepower. 3. Black Widow confirms this idea by telling Captain America. This tells us 2 things. One, Black Widow believes there maybe a way to out think the problem. Two, the winning strategy is to close the portal and mop up the Chitari once the portal is closed. 4. The Avengers do not know killing the Mother Ship would kill all of the Chitari. They don't even know there is a Mother Ship on the other side of the portal. Are you with us so far?5. Once Black Widow gets to the Portal Machine she sees that Selvig is back to normal. He hit his head when Ironman tried to blast the machine. This brought him back to his senses. This method was confirmed to work as it happened to Hawkeye. 6. Selvig explains to Black Widow that the Shield around the device can be breached by Loki's staff and close the portal. 7. Black Widow tells The Avengers that she can close the portal. Ironman tells her to wait. The only reason Ironman told her not to is he wanted the explosion of the Nuke away from New York. Remember no one knows there is a mother ship on the other side of the portal. Ironman was just trying to save the people of New York, from the World Security Council's Nuke. In a subsequent movie and tv show we find out that Two members of the World Security Council are members of Hydra. Alexander Pierce , the Head of the World Security Council is Hydra. Gideon Malick, a member of Hydra, is the member that orders Nick Fury to launch the Nuke. 8. After Tony blows up the Mother Ship we see that Chitari die when they aren't connected to it. Still with us?9. If the World Security Council didn't order the pilot to launch with the nuke, or If Nick Fury was able to stop the second plane from launching then what would've happen? Black Widow would've told The Avengers she could close it. Ironman would've said ok close the wormhole. She does. When the portal closes there is no longer a connection to our Universe to theirs. All the Chitari would die in New York once their connection to the Mother Ship was lost. Lets say that some how the Chitari on this side of the Portal don't die when the portal is closed. Let's say that for all of them to die at once the Mother Ship had to be destroyed. This only means that the Avengers would have to spend a little more time destroying the rest of the Army on this side. And the Chitari couldn't have open the portal to send reinforcements. They needed Loki to open the portal to them in the first place. So the Chitari all dying at once just made defeating the rest of them on Earth quicker. The Avengers won the fight when Black Widow found a way to close the portal. Them saving NY from the Nuke and killing of the remaining Chitari was icing on the cake. So what did this all mean?It means the Avengers , not only stopped an invasion of Earth from aliens, it means they stopped the World Security Council, that was infiltrated with Hydra, from blowing up New York.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 20:37:18 GMT
They don't even know there is a Mother Ship on the other side of the portal. no one knows there is a mother ship on the other side of the portal. Why didn't any of the Avengers just fly up into the portal and check? Even if they didn't know there was a mother ship there, at the very least, 1 of them should've flown up into the portal and check how many Chitauri there were so they would know how large the invasion force was. Seems really stupid and bad strategy that they never bothered to do that, especially since they weren't doing anything but cracking jokes and 1-liners for half an hour while the Chitauri were killing people. Except for Cap, who decided to be a traffic cop and tell people where to run to, because in MCU the US military and law enforcement are so incompetent that the NYPD would never train their officers on how to evacuate people in an emergency despite New York city being the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past. So what did this all mean? It means that, instead of destroying the mother ship immediately and thus ending the invasion without any loss of human lives, the Avengers' incompetence resulted in the loss of thousands of human lives while the Avengers were just standing cracking jokes and 1-liners and not knowing how to close the portal or stop the Chitauri for half an hour.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 15, 2018 20:44:11 GMT
It means that, instead of destroying the mother ship immediately and thus ending the invasion without any loss of human lives, the Avengers' incompetence resulted in the loss of thousands of human lives while the Avengers were just standing cracking jokes and 1-liners and not knowing how to close the portal or stop the Chitauri for half an hour. OK, when were the Avengers cracking jokes and 1-liners in New York?
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 15, 2018 23:19:26 GMT
They don't even know there is a Mother Ship on the other side of the portal. no one knows there is a mother ship on the other side of the portal. Why didn't any of the Avengers just fly up into the portal and check? Even if they didn't know there was a mother ship there, at the very least, 1 of them should've flown up into the portal and check how many Chitauri there were so they would know how large the invasion force was. Seems really stupid and bad strategy that they never bothered to do that, especially since they weren't doing anything but cracking jokes and 1-liners for half an hour while the Chitauri were killing people. Except for Cap, who decided to be a traffic cop and tell people where to run to, because in MCU the US military and law enforcement are so incompetent that the NYPD would never train their officers on how to evacuate people in an emergency despite New York city being the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past. So what did this all mean? It means that, instead of destroying the mother ship immediately and thus ending the invasion without any loss of human lives, the Avengers' incompetence resulted in the loss of thousands of human lives while the Avengers were just standing cracking jokes and 1-liners and not knowing how to close the portal or stop the Chitauri for half an hour. Lets break down your blatant misrepresentations individually. I always love it when someone moves the Goal Posts. It's proof positive that someone is wrong and they know it. So thanks for agreeing with me.Your original statement was this: I showed you were so very wrong here. The Avengers won the battle when BW figured out a way to close the portal. The Nuke was never needed to win. It's just one more thing The Avengers did to protect people. The Chitauri all dying when the mother ship exploded just saved them time. I forgot, you watched this movie illegally. The shitty copy you watched must've been real bad. If you didn't steal a company's IP and you wouldn't have got things so wrong.There are only 2 members of the original team that can fly without a ship, Ironman and Thor. There is 1 member who can jump that high, Hulk. Two can fly a ship Black Widow and Hawkeye. It's know that Tony, Hawkeye, and Black Widow are normal humans. They can't survive in Space for more than a minute or 2 without out suits. Thor survived for a longer period of time in space than humans in IW, but we don't know if he was unconscious from the ship blowing up or him in a vacuum. We don't know if Hulk or Thor can survive in space and I bet all three wouldn't want to find out while a army is destroying NY. What if they couldn't and died. You would be down 2 Avengers. Ok so far? Lets tackle to points at once as they are similarANDAh, you've said this so much, but repeating something doesn't make it factually accurate. The fact that they were actively fighting and telling jokes negates your misrepresentation.Ironman was the only Avenger in NY with the Chitauri started the invasion. The Chitauri started flooding in as soon as the portal was opened. Ironman took out 2 or 3 ships on his own, but more were still coming out. Once they get away from the portal they started to split up. Why couldn't Ironman take more out and flown into the portal? They were coming out of the portal faster than he could destroy. Also this was a base model suit. He told Jarvis to skip the spinning wheels, ie it didn't have time for special options. In Ironman Jarvis tells Tony that they could make changes to the suit to allow interplanetary flight. This insinuated that Tony's suit normally doesn't have that space capability. So we have Ironman against a 100's of aliens coming through a portal to another Universe in space. Let's say that his suit did have the ability to keep him alive in space. How would Tony know the laws of physics is the same in the other universe. He could pop his head into the portal, after single handly destroying the 100's of scattering aliens pouring out, and his face could've been melted off from high radiation. (or 100 other things) The only reason he went in with the nuke was he thought he was not going to make it. He proved Captain wrong when Cap told Tony that he was too selfish to lay on a line and let people crawl over him for safety. Tony was willing to sacrifice himself. "Save the rest for the turn." Meaning it took most of the suits remaining power to just push the Nuke up. Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Captain show up in a Quinjet. By this time there are aliens everywhere. With no way of stopping them from coming out at the time. The only way those three could go into the portal is Fly the Quinjet into the portal. Quinjets don't fly in space so they couldn't go. And even if the Quinjet could fly in space. How would one jet take out the Aliens pouring in by itself? By the time they got to NY Chitari were everywhere and more coming out. Thor and Hulk got to New York after the Chitari were through and reinforcements were coming every second. Thor tries to bottle neck them with the lighting, but they over ran it. The reason Ironman was able to go into the portal when he did with the nuke was Loki had just sent the rest of the Chitauri through. All of Chitauri were attacking the city none of them were protecting the Portal. This was a mistake. Loki is not a very good leader or strategist when it comes to war. One of the reasons why Thor is Worthy of the Throne and Loki is not. The Avengers were actively trying to destroy the Aliens that got through the portal before they could get to NY, and trying to stop more from coming in at the same time, working on a way to close the portal, and protecting New Yorkers by killing aliens that were an immediately a threat, and protecting New Yorkers by trying to kill them before they were an immediate threat. I mean Cap saved what looked like 100 people from 3 Chitauri who had a bomb, Nat and Clint saved people from the bus. Thor and Hulk took out a Leviathan before it could kill people, Hawkeye was pointing out strays and coordinating their defense with Cap. And all of them were putting themselves on the front line. They wanted all the Chitauri to fight them. If they were focused on them then they weren't focusing on citizens. So takes care of that misrepresentation they weren't, standing around cracking jokes for 30m and letting people die. Lets talk about the jokes.Your illegal copy of the movie probably didn't have the best sound or visuals in the world. So you might be misrepresenting the last 1/3rd of the movie unintentionally. So , how about all those jokes and one liners? Yes the avengers were joking around with each other while they were actively fighting. This is just like how Soldiers and Police in the real world do when they are actively engaging the enemy. It's "Gallows Humor" It's one of our natural defense mechanisms humans have in the real world. Not everyone who faces stressful situations react that way, but a lot do. You laugh and joke in the Face of Fear to stay calm. In fact there have been more than a few soldiers getting into trouble when their air craft's video feed leaked. While they were killing people with guns and missles, they were joking. Lots of Psychologist chimed in saying that it may look crass, it's a normal reaction to the stress of war. As for cops go hang out with one for 1hr. Their sick sense of humor is their shield to protect themselves. They tell and listen to sick jokes so they don't have to admit the ugly truth about people. Finally this little gem. You are insinuating that Marvel portrayed the US Military and Law Enforcement as incompetent. In your long campaign to prove Marvel hates our Police and Soldiers. Can you honestly say that you know how people would react if one second it was a normal day and then the next 100's and 100's of Aliens came from the sky killing people? Not just human sized aliens either 100 yard long, creatures who can fly and is wearing metal armor? The cops and citizens were in shock. It happens. My brother has epilepsy. When he would start as a kid seizing people would panic. Grown adults who have been teaching for 20 years froze. Kids would start to run away. One teacher ran out of the room one time she was so gripped by panic she couldn't find the office. She had been teaching there for 5 years. They didn't move the office. It was in the same place it always was, but she admitted she paniced saw red and started running looking for it. That is one kid having a seizure. A situation that resolves itself. You are not to do anything other than stopping the person from hiring their head. You don't stick anything in their mouths. As they could snap it off. You are supposed to hold their head as best you can. Then you are to pick out 1 person. And say to them specifically if you know their name to go call 911. This is important. You are telling a specific person to do a specific task. Instead of just calling out some one call 911. You cut through the panic with direct orders. You can tell Avengers was written with care. Not only was the exchange between the cops, Cap, and the Aliens funny it's 100% accurate. The police were in obvious shock. 1000x more shock than the teachers and kids in my school were. They didn't recognize Cap as an authority figure in their shock. Plus how do they even know that's the real Cap, Aliens are everywhere and he is wearing a mask. After he killed 3 aliens in front them it cut through the shock. And they got moving. There is no shame in being in shock. They are human beings. It would be amazing in the real world if cops snapped out of shock that quickly. I would assume it would take a lot of will power to snap out of it that quickly with an alien war surrounding you. The police said that it would be 30min for the National Guard to get there. With panic ensuing cloging up the roads that might've been to conservative a number. Well what about the rest of the military. Why didn't they send air craft. 2 reasons. 1 They had no clue what the aliens can do and if we could damage them. They are aliens for christs sake. If the military were to engage with aircraft without knowing anything about the Aliens not only do you risk pilots lives what happens if an aircraft is hit and a gigantic metal container filled with highly explosive fuel hits the ground in a city? You would effectually be napalm us citizens. 2 it took 20-25 minutes for the government to scramble the first planes just to gain intel when 9/11 happened. Not 100's of planes/aircraft to fight an army. It took them 20-25 just to get eyes on the situation. It would take a lot longer to get a fighting force in the air. And the battle only lasted about 30 minutes. The Avengers won the battle before the US Military could respond. I really do suggest you either see these movies in the theater or wait to buy, borrow, or rent these movies on video. It would help save you from getting embarrassed so often. It really puts you at a disadvantage when you critique them. The shitty low quality illegal downloads you steal makes you get even the most simple things about these movie wrong. I am pretty sure if you could see and here the movie properly people wouldn't have to take their time and correct you. I don't particularly mind helping you out. I wish that we could get you to stop stealing these movies, and not because you get lots of things wrong in them. On a strictly moral stand point we are enabling you to keep on stealing by discussing the movies with you.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 15, 2018 23:29:49 GMT
OK, when were the Avengers cracking jokes and 1-liners in New York? There was some playful banter as they were killing the aliens. They weren't doing a comedy routine or asking each other stuff like "what's the difference between a coffin and a condom?" He thinks that people act like automatons when they are in stressful situations like war or policing situations. He forgets people are well people. We cut him to much slack on him watching illegal versions of the movies. We should stop discussing movies with him until he stops stealing. I don't know how we can trust him not to lie about stopping watching them though. If a person admits and has no qualms about stealing then can you trust him to tell the truth if he tells you he stopped doing it? I just can't help myself though. I see someone embarrassing himself, I have to try and help. His ignorant opinions are just that ignorant. As in lacking information. He can't see everything you are meant to see and hear everything you are meant to hear in the pirated movies he watches. So it's no wonder he gets so many things wrong in them.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 23:53:34 GMT
There are only 2 members of the original team that can fly without a ship, Ironman and Thor. There is 1 member who can jump that high, Hulk. Two can fly a ship Black Widow and Hawkeye. It's know that Tony, Hawkeye, and Black Widow are normal humans. They can't survive in Space for more than a minute or 2 without out suits. So basically, the Avengers are weak, like I said before. how about all those jokes and one liners? Yes the avengers were joking around with each other while they were actively fighting. This is just like how Soldiers and Police in the real world do when they are actively engaging the enemy. It's "Gallows Humor" So you're saying that when the NYPD and NYFD officers ran into the WOrld Trade Center building while the building was burning and people were jumping off from the top of the buidling, the officers were cracking jokes and 1-liners about it? You can tell Avengers was written with care. Not only was the exchange between the cops, Cap, and the Aliens funny it's 100% accurate. The police were in obvious shock. 1000x more shock than the teachers and kids in my school were. You've just proven how badly written and 100% inaccurate the Avengers was. Like I said before, New York city has been the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past so the NYPD would have their officers well-trained to handle emergencies and know exactly how to evacuate people in emergencies. Saying that the police officers were in shock is as stupid as saying a passenger on a commercial ariline flight chokes on a piece of food while the plane is in the air and the experienced parademic sitting next to him is in shock and doesn't know what to do.Parademics are trained to handle medical emergencies. Pilots are trained to handle when a plane experiences depressurization in mid-air. A bomb squad is trained to handle a bomb threat. And the NYPD is trained on what to do in the event of an attack and they need to evacuate people quickly. But MCU Dictator Kevin Feige made the NYPD look incompetent just so the Averngers could look more heroic. Since Cap couldn't fly and thus was basically useless against the Chitauri, Feige had to give Cap something to do so it wouldn't look like Cap was just standing around doing nothing. So Feige made Cap a traffic cop. Making Cap a glorified traffic cop sure was a great use of that expensive Super Soldier serum!The police said that it would be 30min for the National Guard to get there. With panic ensuing cloging up the roads that might've been to conservative a number. More bad writing in the Avengers. You probably aren't aware of this, but the military have these things called fighter jets. And these things called fighter jets don't need roads to get somewhere fast. Well what about the rest of the military. Why didn't they send air craft. 2 reasons. 1 They had no clue what the aliens can do and if we could damage them. They are aliens for christs sake. If the military were to engage with aircraft without knowing anything about the Aliens not only do you risk pilots lives And yet, whenever radar picks up an unidentified flying object in the sky, the first thing the military does is send a jet to the location of the unidentified flying object to get a visual on it. Yet the military doesn't send any jets to New York city? Of course, because Feige wanted the Avengers to look more heroic! 2 it took 20-25 minutes for the government to scramble the first planes just to gain intel when 9/11 happened. And when 9/11 happened, there was no Department of Homeland Security and airport passengers could bring bottles of water through the security checkpoints. But since 9/11, a lot of things have changed. The Department of Homeland Security was created. The list of prohibited items that can be carried onto flights now includes any bottles with more than 3ml of liquid as well as many other items that were allowed before. Officers have been trained and response times have been shortened. So no, it would no longer take 20-25 minutes for the military to scramble fighter jets to New York city, which like I said before has already been the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past. Like I said, that was bad writing in The Avengers. Because Feige wanted the Avengers to look more heroic!
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 16, 2018 0:07:59 GMT
It's probably better this way. Infinity War and its sequel is the closing chapter on the original Avengers. You probably don't want the new guard swooping in and stealing all their spotlight. That already happened a bit with Dr. Strange in IW, we probably don't want it happening again with Cap. Marvel.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 16, 2018 2:58:10 GMT
So basically Disney Avengers 4 will be like that other Disney movie The Force Awakens, where Luke is MIA and only has a cameo at the end of the movie.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 16, 2018 5:21:52 GMT
So basically, the Avengers are weak, like I said before.
Only if your definition of "weak" means people who can't function in the rigors of space/vacuum without suits indefinitely are called weak. In that case Aquaman, Spiderman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Wolverine, Hawk Girl, Iceman, etc I could go on. It would be easier to list out the "strong" characters. Most superheroes can't survive in space any longer than me or you.
So you're saying that when the NYPD and NYFD officers ran into the WOrld Trade Center building while the building was burning and people were jumping off from the top of the buidling, the officers were cracking jokes and 1-liners about it?
I never said that. I wasn't there I don't know if they were or not. I can't say not one person looked over at another and tried to comfort them or make them not recognize the hell they were in. Can you tell me that? You know that no one felt compassion for others and didn't try a sooth someone with a joke? Are you saying the people that ran in that building to help someone had no compassion? If I saw a police officer joking durig a tense situation I wouldn't think he was being disrespectful. I would acknowledge that he trying not to panic or trying to relieve someone else panic.
What I can tell you that I've seen footage of soldiers cracking jokes while on mission. I've heard my brothers stories of being station in Turkery during the first Iraqi war. They broke tension with jokes. One my college budies I've known for 20+ cracks jokes and tries to make fellow Sheriff's laugh while chasing down drug dealers. I can remember my uncle telling me that when he flew in Vietnam on a run with his S.O. in the plane with him My uncle asked him to pass him the bottle that's lodged in the S.O.s seat. His S.O. saw it was a pint of liquor. My uncle snagged and his S.O said you drink that I'm bringing charges. My uncle drank two large swallows. By the time they were halfway thru the run and had been shot at for more than 15 minutes the S.O. grabbed the bottle and finished the pint. Both were laughing. My other uncle on maneuvers with the army during the 60's was in hellish environment in Texas at 100+ degree days. On the 5th day another solider said Joe take a look at this. And showed my uncle a bump on the head of his dick. My uncle said Marvin you got a tick on your dick. That got around with the rest of the men and it made them laugh. It got them through another 4 days. My cousin was the first full time female guard in a mens medium security prison in NC. She told me the time a inmate got some bad drugs and was flipping out. He had taken a piece of plastic sharpened to razor blade sharpness and removed his scrotum and left his testicles there to dangle without it. blood was everywhere. A male guard saw the scene and started to loose color out of his face. My cousin didn't want a passed out guard and a crazy wacked out prisoner with a weapon. She did the only thing she could do. She said "it doesn't look that bad" to the guard. "It kind of looks like alpha sprouts dipped in ketchup." The other guard busted out laughing and he didn't pass out.
It may seem strange to you but in stressful situations people do use humor to protect themselves. You do it all the time. I got through my Dad's Eulogy using humor as a crutch. The night I found him cold and had died sometime that day, I used humor to get through the night. Me and my family didn't got to sleep that night. We just set in his living room and played "Remember when dad did this" game.
It's like you want people to feel shame from a physiological response to injury, stress, and stressful situations. Or you want people to be portrayed on screen as not being human. You want them to be cardboard cut outs.
You've just proven how badly written and 100% inaccurate the Avengers was. Like I said before, New York city has been the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past so the NYPD would have their officers well-trained to handle emergencies and know exactly how to evacuate people in emergencies. Saying that the police officers were in shock is as stupid as saying a passenger on a commercial ariline flight chokes on a piece of food while the plane is in the air and the experienced parademic sitting next to him is in shock and doesn't know what to do.
Parademics are trained to handle medical emergencies. Pilots are trained to handle when a plane experiences depressurization in mid-air. A bomb squad is trained to handle a bomb threat. And the NYPD is trained on what to do in the event of an attack and they need to evacuate people quickly. But MCU Dictator Kevin Feige made the NYPD look incompetent just so the Averngers could look more heroic.
Since Cap couldn't fly and thus was basically useless against the Chitauri, Feige had to give Cap something to do so it wouldn't look like Cap was just standing around doing nothing. So Feige made Cap a traffic cop. Making Cap a glorified traffic cop sure was a great use of that expensive Super Soldier serum
You seem to equate terrorist attacks vs an alien invasion force appearing over a city without any warning. It's a false equivalence. Were the cops trained on how to fight an alien force? Were they told where to evacuate them to? Did they have plan in place to evacuate through these specific road ways? It's find and dandy to say Cops would evacuate them as they were trained to do. If a terrorist blows up a building or crashes a car into a block of people they would know they needed to get the people to another area. This the first time the general public found out that not only did aliens exist, but they are here and they are hostile. No one on the ground during knew much of anything. They didn't know if there was a portal opening up all over town. They didn't know if aliens were on the outside of the city working their way in. Along with flying aliens were some in the sewers and coming up their too?
Cops, paramedics, etc are human. Seeing an alien force with 100yard long flying Leviathans with armor with smaller aliens killing people would induce shock and panic in people. All the examples you provided are people doing their job in normal situations they would expect to do it. Not during an event that shakes peoples belief in a sane world to its foundations.
Even by the grace of god you didn't go in shock, how would the cops know where to evacuate the people to? They don't know where is safe. They don't know if this situation is being played out in each borough. Should the lead them out on the streets? Should they tell them to stay put in the buildings? The police had no intell. The cops wouldn't know what would be the best thing to do. They were flying blind. They had no idea what was going on. Cap did. He knew that Loki had an army. He knew he only had the one portal. He knew that the people should stay of the street and make it down to the subways to get them out of harms way. He told them to make a 30 block parameter because he was going to have Tony turning every alien back from 30 blocks.
When he told them what to do they were in shock and didn't know if they should listen to him. After he dispatched 3 aliens that broke their shock and they did what he said.
More bad writing in the Avengers. You probably aren't aware of this, but the military have these things called fighter jets. And these things called fighter jets don't need roads to get somewhere fast.
And yet, whenever radar picks up an unidentified flying object in the sky, the first thing the military does is send a jet to the location of the unidentified flying object to get a visual on it. Yet the military doesn't send any jets to New York city? Of course, because Feige wanted the Avengers to look more heroic!
And when 9/11 happened, there was no Department of Homeland Security and airport passengers could bring bottles of water through the security checkpoints. But since 9/11, a lot of things have changed. The Department of Homeland Security was created. The list of prohibited items that can be carried onto flights now includes any bottles with more than 3ml of liquid as well as many other items that were allowed before. Officers have been trained and response times have been shortened.
So no, it would no longer take 20-25 minutes for the military to scramble fighter jets to New York city, which like I said before has already been the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the past. Like I said, that was bad writing in The Avengers. Because Feige wanted the Avengers to look more heroic!
Yes they could've scrambled planes after the military knew there was a problem. I said they could. The Cap/Police scene happens roughly half way through the battle. The cops just said that they talked the the National Guard. And it would take the 30 minutes.
In a normal situation we have people monitoring radar stations all up and down the east coast. If something looks off they will keep an eye on them. They will keep trying and contact the plane. If the plane doesn't acknowledge or starts veering of course they will call and have fighter pilots on the ready. Scrambling to cockpit standby takes roughly 5-10 minutes. This puts them in the cockpit on the runway ready to take off. Even after 9/11 we've gotten better, but gearing up still takes 10-15minutes min once they see there is a problem.
This is not how things played out in the movie. Radar does fuck all if your aircraft are appearing 300 yards above a sky scrapper. They had no warning of approach. The military can't scramble jets if they don't know there is a problem. Millions of people would've got on the phone at the same time clogging up everything. I've tried to find out how long it takes to get pilots in the air after they get the scramble order. Everything I see says 10-15 minutes from the scramble order to them in the air. Then travel time.
At best we can say that the Military was contacted just before the cops started talking about 15 minutes after the fighting started. That would put the pilots in NY and seeing what was happening around 20-25 minute mark. Meaning that the pilots would have to radio in what was going on have it ran up the flag pole to who is ever in charge to get back and give them the order to engage. This is different than ordering engagement over the ocean. I don't know how many people have the authority to order an engagement in the air over NYC but it has to be a small number of people. The person who makes the decision on the order would have spotty inlet at best. Who has the information ? Are they being debriefed? Would they want to order fighter jets to engage between buildings. Would the jets cause more collateral damage than the aliens were making intentional damage? Are jets even capable to engage targets flying around buildings. Should the pilots hang back or risk turning city blocks to napalmed burning horror shows when they crashed? All of this would have to be discussed and decided on. By the time the order was made the whole fight would be over with.
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Post by kleinreturns on Oct 17, 2018 11:30:58 GMT
Hope so. Dont like this idea at all that they have to call Capn Marvel to save the day when established Avengers cant get the job done. They Avengers have always been weak. They couldn't even defeat the Chitauri without a nuclear missile from the military. You mean like how the weak af JL couldn't defeat a poorly rendered PS1 videogame graphic villain with an equally poorly graphics rendered sprite army, without resurrecting the guy who got killed by a LOTR troll in BvS??? Got it.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 17, 2018 11:50:50 GMT
They Avengers have always been weak. They couldn't even defeat the Chitauri without a nuclear missile from the military. You mean like how the weak af JL couldn't defeat a poorly rendered PS1 videogame graphic villain with an equally poorly graphics rendered sprite army, without resurrecting the guy who got killed by a LOTR troll in BvS??? Got it. Not to beat a dead CGI-rhino, but have you looked at the CGI in your silly kiddie movies lately?
The amazing, intricate planning, must predate PS1 times really.
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Post by scabab on Oct 17, 2018 13:21:14 GMT
The amazing, intricate planning, must predate PS1 times really. Well the CGI itself actually is good, do you think Thanos' CGI in Infinity War looked bad? Unless this is about the different colours then that image isn't really all that accurate because of the different lightning. This is Thanos on Titan And this is just how Thanos looks naturally. And there he has the same purple skin tone as in Guardians of the Galaxy or Age of Ultron.
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