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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 19, 2018 11:15:02 GMT
I love how you write "when" it fails. As if its a foregone conclusion.
At this point I think the X-Men joining the MCU is the only way to top any of the previous movie milestones they've already achieved. No one gives two poops about the Fantastic Four and they already failed to make anything out of the Inhumans. X-Men it is!
Milestone 1: Iron Man starts off the whole thing with a huge success. Milestone 2: Avengers successfully pulls off the shared universe concept bringing in all MCU franchises to date. Milestone 3: Guardians of the Galaxy takes totally unknown, unrelated C-list Marvel characters and turns them into a huge hit. Milestone 4: Civil War brings in Spider-Man over from Sony. Milestone 5: Black Panther is a monster hit all on its own. Milestone 6: Infinity War, the most ambitious movie ever made, is also a monster hit, and hot on the heels of Black Panther.
Outside of Avengers 4 being a monster hit (which is the only foregone conclusion we can really admit) what other new milestones can they achieve?
I know! I know! X-Men come into the MCU and interact with MCU mainstays! It will be huge!!!
AVX: Wolverine Vs. Hulk? Avengers Vs. X-Men anyone?!
I cant deny a certain moistness in my pants at the thought of it...
Evything is huge hit, geez I did not know cross overs toy disney commercial movies making money are mile stones in the world of serious film making.
funny all these movies you mentioned ruined the reputation of comic books.
also dont you see how shallow you are. its all about idiotic cross over AVX: Wolverine Vs. Hulk? Avengers Vs. X-Men anyone?! where is substance? where is story telling, where are the themes? so shallow.
and some dumb mcu usually wonder why mcu will never have a logan or a tdk
poor mcu fans, they hide behind quantity since they have 0 quality, leave that to the good xmen and dc films that have both.
You are going to have to support that statement with overwhelming evidence of this. And not a hand full of people who dislike a MCU movie here and there. You will have to find overwhelming evidence that people used to like or were indifferent to comic book movies and now they don't because of MCU movies.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 19, 2018 11:23:08 GMT
I love how you write "when" it fails. As if its a foregone conclusion.
At this point I think the X-Men joining the MCU is the only way to top any of the previous movie milestones they've already achieved. No one gives two poops about the Fantastic Four and they already failed to make anything out of the Inhumans. X-Men it is!
Milestone 1: Iron Man starts off the whole thing with a huge success. Milestone 2: Avengers successfully pulls off the shared universe concept bringing in all MCU franchises to date. Milestone 3: Guardians of the Galaxy takes totally unknown, unrelated C-list Marvel characters and turns them into a huge hit. Milestone 4: Civil War brings in Spider-Man over from Sony. Milestone 5: Black Panther is a monster hit all on its own. Milestone 6: Infinity War, the most ambitious movie ever made, is also a monster hit, and hot on the heels of Black Panther.
Outside of Avengers 4 being a monster hit (which is the only foregone conclusion we can really admit) what other new milestones can they achieve?
I know! I know! X-Men come into the MCU and interact with MCU mainstays! It will be huge!!!
AVX: Wolverine Vs. Hulk? Avengers Vs. X-Men anyone?!
I cant deny a certain moistness in my pants at the thought of it...
Evything is huge hit, geez I did not know cross overs toy disney commercial movies making money are mile stones in the world of serious film making.
funny all these movies you mentioned ruined the reputation of comic books.
also dont you see how shallow you are. its all about idiotic cross over AVX: Wolverine Vs. Hulk? Avengers Vs. X-Men anyone?! where is substance? where is story telling, where are the themes? so shallow.
and some dumb mcu usually wonder why mcu will never have a logan or a tdk
poor mcu fans, they hide behind quantity since they have 0 quality, leave that to the good xmen and dc films that have both.
You know the only people I have ever heard used the term "serious film making" were self important douche bags and film students/film major/actors and actress. And of the few film students/film major/actors and actresses I've known would laugh at any Suphero Movie as serious. Logan/The Dark Knight/DoFP/Winter Soldier to serious film enthusiasts are only slightly better than Catwoman, Batman and Robin/Steel/Tank Girl.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 19, 2018 11:36:21 GMT
There will only be a fallout if it underperforms at box office and critics are not fond of them, it would only be worse if their only source of inspiration were more recent SJW-filled comic books. box office will be irrelevant because it will be about quality.
Critics are trapped. they will be forced to tell the truth this time due to the fact that we have 11 xmen movies to compare with.. especially great ones like X2, DOFP, First Class. it's not like anyone will buy into a gotg-avengers xmen movie as the best xmen movie over most of the xmen movies when we all know the tone , story telling and content is awful for an xmen movie. we know this because we have seen DOFP or X2.
if critics lie to protect mcu xmen like they do with most mcu movies, they will loose the last amount of credibility they have left after disney star wars and mcu movies and will stir up controversy.
First of all if the critics like the movie and the public hates it there will be a little controversy right after, but it will be gone until the next controversy over something else. Even with the backlash from The Last Jedi and Solo how much are you going to bet Star Wars 9 will make over a billion? To make a billion it will take lots of the public going to see it. The part of the public that were pissed about The Last Jedi and Solo will still be pissed and still go see it. You are falling back on the tried and true Critics are biased for MCU. Except you are doing more than saying they have a predisposition to like MCU based on the MCU brand. You are saying they lied about Star Wars and MCU. What proof you have of that? Are you saying Disney paid for the critics to lie? If not why would they lie? The only thing a critic has is his word. Why would any critic lie about a review possibly losing his whole career to lie for Disney? Especially when negative reviews get more traffic?
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 19, 2018 12:39:00 GMT
So what’s your excuse about ‘The Amazing Spider-Man 2’ or ‘Venom’? I need to hear this. the verdict is out venom, it is not as bad as the media say it is, in fact all venom has done is convince people more that critics and the media are biased to mcu movies.
And where’s your proof for your last claim? Box office? Then how do you explain a huge box office success of ‘Suicide Squad’ even though it’s generally considered as the worst film from DCEU? Also, how about ‘Blade Runner 2049’, which became a box office failure? RottenTomatoes audience rating? Then how are you going to explain that thee sorry excuse of a documentary called ‘Death of a Nation’ has a higher audience rating than ‘First Man’?
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 19, 2018 12:39:52 GMT
mcu movies are hated by most film artists and long time comic fans. I’d still like to know where you got that “fact” from. Flat Earth Society.
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Post by DarkManX on Oct 19, 2018 16:06:40 GMT
Spider-Man: Homecoming is the same movie we've seen over and over again. He's in high school, again. The villain is sympathetic, again. The villain finds out his identity, again. So which other Spiderman movies show him being in highschool? You're trolling right?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 19, 2018 16:06:55 GMT
Failures based on that? Audience and critical reception say otherwise. Then how come Netflix has cancelled Iron Fist? They got low standards. Its criminal one of the best products in the mcu got canned while crappy movies keep getting made Dude you liked Venom - to reward that movie with anything higher than a 5.0/10 out of 10 you'd have to either lower your standards or they have to be already low to begin with. So don't act like your preferences in superhero/comic based entertainment is so high and mighty compared to the average fanatic of the MCU. Iron Fist is far and away the best products of the MCU, that's why it got canned. Had it been better and treated its characters and audience with more respect it would be getting a third season.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 19, 2018 16:07:05 GMT
mcu movies are hated by most film artists and long time comic fans. I’d still like to know where you got that “fact” from. summers8 doesn't deal with "facts". I mean, this is the guy who claims tight-fitting leather outfits are the most realistic superhero costumes made. Did you really expect a guy this delusional what facts actually mean?
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Post by kleinreturns on Oct 19, 2018 17:00:51 GMT
Since when does 2 persons’ opinions = facts or the truth? Wow you’re really out of touch. opinions? they were not opinions.
it is of fact, disney banned spiderman from punching people to dumb him down to appeal to kids more.
it is of fact marvel told mickey rouke to be one dimensional and he felt angry because he oscar prepared for the role and wanted something better and deeper and marvel removed everything he did to make the movie more mindless.
those are not opinions, they are facts. it happened.
This is bad for FOX-Men fans, they are so desperate to deny reality. lol
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 19, 2018 17:55:08 GMT
Right on cue. Just as summers8 was being forgotten, and feeling abandoned, he goes on another usual tirade for attention.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 18:17:08 GMT
looks like mcu fans have nothing to say on this issues.
after massive disgraces by disney into trying to buy oscars you will think they will know better.
when mcu xmen is disgraced just dont flee the boards we will need a laugh
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 19, 2018 18:18:21 GMT
Homecoming was the most forgettable Spider film I ever saw. Not as bad as TASM 2, but the latter was at least memorable with stakes,(real) deaths of a loved ones and a family & love story. Also Spiderboy Homecoming spit the Spider lore right into the face - like Fragglerock did - with the embarrassing, useless Iron spider suit, Milf Marple, everyone kowing who Peter is, or the forced, phoned-in MCU performances - hell did Spidey even use his spider sense with that stupid suit on? Talk about destroying the charm of the character...just wait when they force the X Men into teh kiddy MCU. Hell they even messed up their MCU timeline, how difficult can it be to count up to 8 (use your fingers if necessary)...? Good that Sony will likely save Spidey back. But who will save the X-Men...? Hey, hey, hey, hey.... hey, ... don't be talking smack about my Marisa Tomei. You lose all credibility once you do that.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 18:24:18 GMT
Right on cue. Just as summers8 was being forgotten, and feeling abandoned, he goes on another usual tirade for attention. Pretty cliche, what's with all the deflecting. the truth cant be denied.
dont make it about me, make it about the movies.
you folks remind me of formerhmd to a small extent. they go after people personally and not the professional art of movies.
I ask a simple question of how disney will handle their xmen failing and you attack me directly? um, I am not mcu xmen so that has little effect on me.
get back to the topic, if you cant comment on the topic stay of the thread. simple.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 19, 2018 18:30:21 GMT
Right on cue. Just as summers8 was being forgotten, and feeling abandoned, he goes on another usual tirade for attention. Pretty cliche, what's with all the deflecting. the truth cant be denied.
dont make it about me, make it about the movies.
you folks remind me of formerhmd to a small extent. they go after people personally and not the professional art of movies.
I ask a simple question of how disney will handle their xmen failing and you attack me directly? um, I am not mcu xmen so that has little effect on me.
get back to the topic, if you cant comment on the topic stay of the thread. simple.
Whatever you say, Nancy. Keep crying and maybe you'll get a lollipop.
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Post by ShrunkenHeadonKnightBus on Oct 19, 2018 18:33:15 GMT
You mean “if” it fails.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 19, 2018 19:28:29 GMT
looks like mcu fans have nothing to say on this issues. after massive disgraces by disney into trying to buy oscars you will think they will know better. when mcu xmen is disgraced just dont flee the boards we will need a laugh What issues? You mean your made-up failure fantasies? Sorry kid, we only address factual issues here.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 19, 2018 20:26:44 GMT
Right on cue. Just as summers8 was being forgotten, and feeling abandoned, he goes on another usual tirade for attention. Pretty cliche, what's with all the deflecting. the truth cant be denied.
dont make it about me, make it about the movies.
you folks remind me of formerhmd to a small extent. they go after people personally and not the professional art of movies.
I ask a simple question of how disney will handle their xmen failing and you attack me directly? um, I am not mcu xmen so that has little effect on me.
get back to the topic, if you cant comment on the topic stay of the thread. simple.
The word of the day is deflecting. You're a broken record. You're not going to change anyone's mind and no one is going to change yours. So what's the point in discussing anything regarding these films with you? It's pretty simple. You need help and you're trying to ignore it.
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 19, 2018 21:33:17 GMT
They got low standards. Its criminal one of the best products in the mcu got canned while crappy movies keep getting made Dude you liked Venom - to reward that movie with anything higher than a 5.0/10 out of 10 you'd have to either lower your standards or they have to be already low to begin with. So don't act like your preferences in superhero/comic based entertainment is so high and mighty compared to the average fanatic of the MCU. Iron Fist is far and away the best products of the MCU, that's why it got canned. Had it been better and treated its characters and audience with more respect it would be getting a third season. You guys only hate venom cause its not in the mcu which prevents you from enjoying a good movie. Iron Fist treated its story and characters much better than most movies . its a crime these movies are made but a great show is canned
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 19, 2018 22:29:00 GMT
Dude you liked Venom - to reward that movie with anything higher than a 5.0/10 out of 10 you'd have to either lower your standards or they have to be already low to begin with. So don't act like your preferences in superhero/comic based entertainment is so high and mighty compared to the average fanatic of the MCU. Iron Fist is far and away the best products of the MCU, that's why it got canned. Had it been better and treated its characters and audience with more respect it would be getting a third season. You guys only hate venom cause its not in the mcu which prevents you from enjoying a good movie. Iron Fist treated its story and characters much better than most movies . its a crime these movies are made but a great show is canned Or could it be they didn't use the one element that made Venom Venom. They don't even have to use Peter Parker.
Iron Fist S2 was better than S1, but I think I'd rather a Daughters of the Dragon series since that was the best part of S2. Colleen did take over S2. And I'd also like to see more of Walker. Danny is probably the least interesting character in the show. Although I would like to see a Heroes for Hire series.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 19, 2018 22:55:34 GMT
Dude you liked Venom - to reward that movie with anything higher than a 5.0/10 out of 10 you'd have to either lower your standards or they have to be already low to begin with. So don't act like your preferences in superhero/comic based entertainment is so high and mighty compared to the average fanatic of the MCU. Iron Fist is far and away the best products of the MCU, that's why it got canned. Had it been better and treated its characters and audience with more respect it would be getting a third season. You guys only hate venom cause its not in the mcu which prevents you from enjoying a good movie. Iron Fist treated its story and characters much better than most movies . its a crime these movies are made but a great show is canned Not true, if a movie is very good I will admit it and recommend it to others no matter if its connected to the MCU or not. I've liked and loved plenty of movies which were based on Marvel properties that are not set in the MCU - X-Men, X-2, The Wolverine, First Class, Days of Future Past, Logan, Deadpool, Deadpool 2, Raimi's first two Spider-Mans, The Amazing Spider-Man, Big Hero 6, Blade, Blade 2, Legion, The Gifted...And while they had issues I didn't hate X-Men: Apocalypse or the director's cut for Daredevil - but you won't catch me defending them strongly. Going further back, the Bill Bixby Hulk series is a classic, and I have fond memories of most animated programming of Marvel properties in the 80's and 90's and some of the 00's. Would I have liked it if Venom was an MCU movie? Yes, sure, but what we got was the only thing we could get right now and I'm sorry but there isn't really a lot to recommend there, it's essentially a less better written but higher budgeted version of Upgrade from earlier this year with an alien twist. The tone is all over the place, the action isn't really anything to go home about, the comedy is hit and miss, and the cast - comprised of some really great on screen talent - are mostly put to waste outside of Tom Hardy. Is it entertaining? Sure, I can see somebody having a good time with it but is it objectively great on a critical level? Not really, even compared to the worst MCU movie it doesn't make as many check markings to make a very high score on the grading system of A to F. Except it didn't, Danny Rand was uninteresting and unengaging as a protagonist in the first season of Iron Fist and in both seasons he barely demonstrated how great of a martial artist his character is meant to be and the full effect of his abilities. This is someone who is worth millions of dollars and trained at a temple in another dimension the most fantastical of the martial and mystical arts, fought an actual dragon, earned the title of "The Iron Fist" and yet he can barely defend himself in combat and often needs to rely on the help of others to survive and defeat his adversaries - these being mostly comprised of regular people who learned everything on Earth, not anywhere special or fantastic. Season 2 was a big improvement over the first, but it pandered too heavily toward SJWs at times and especially in the end and it just didn't create enough spark for more interest in another solo season. However, Danny was well-received in his appearance on Luke Cage season 2, and he and other characters will continue as supporting characters in later seasons of TV so it's not a done story. Is it disappointing? Sure, but look at it from a business perspective - if you were working at Netflix or Marvel would you really want to invest millions into a series that didn't receive the warmest of responses and lost more profit than gained? The intelligent and well-reasoned decision here would be to cut off the fat from the meat.
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