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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 19, 2018 22:15:52 GMT
While I usually hesitate to say something like this, because it's difficult to get people to not fall into the rut of assuming one buys into an entire program in an orthodox way (and that's not the case for me here), I'm basically a logical positivist. Are you saying you have a preference for logical positivism? yeah, especially in the sense that my natural inclination is to reduce claims to observables.
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Post by general313 on Oct 19, 2018 23:40:11 GMT
Some (including Hawking) have suggested Everett's many worlds theory of quantum physics as a possibility. I wouldn't place any bets on the plausibility of that idea, and I doubt anyone alive now will live to see it resolved. When I was a kid (maybe now too) I had a theory that going back in time would only be possible one way, that is, the later time can see and hear and sense what is happening in the past but not be heard or seen by the past or influence it in any way. Another way to resolve the grandfather paradox is that all travel back in time has already happened in the sense that you can go back and do whatever because you already did anyway therefore the future will not change. A problem with that is it will confuse people about the free will versus determinism question more than they already are. Will a Canadian penny suffice? You want to bet a Canadian penny? I've sometimes thought that one might be able to go back in time as an observer with no ability to interact with the scene (and therefore would presumably be invisible to the true inhabitants of that time). A sort of "write once read many" scheme. I believe that would resolve the grandfather paradox. If I were cornered into placing a bet, I would go against backward time travel being possible. But if a Nobel Prize winning physicist of Hawking's stature expresses the opinion that it might be possible, I'd consider the opinion to be well thought out.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 20, 2018 0:04:08 GMT
I agree with Arlon on this more or less. Hawking may have been brilliant in his field, at least within the context of the status quo approach to it, but he said a lot of stupid shit whenever he stepped out of his field. I agree with his conclusion about the existence of God, but his reasoning for it, at least as explained above, is poor. And the idea of "backwards" time travel is completely incoherent. It might work per how physics standardly deals with time in equations, but his physics standardly deals with time in equations isn't identical to what time is ontologically. And what time is ontologically--simply the ontological process of change or motion, makes it incoherent that we could travel back in time. You may think that, but it's not credible that the BBC documentary "Doctor Who" would have lied to us all this time. And not to mention Marty McFly.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 20, 2018 8:51:48 GMT
When I was a kid (maybe now too) I had a theory that going back in time would only be possible one way, that is, the later time can see and hear and sense what is happening in the past but not be heard or seen by the past or influence it in any way. Another way to resolve the grandfather paradox is that all travel back in time has already happened in the sense that you can go back and do whatever because you already did anyway therefore the future will not change. A problem with that is it will confuse people about the free will versus determinism question more than they already are. Will a Canadian penny suffice? You want to bet a Canadian penny? I've sometimes thought that one might be able to go back in time as an observer with no ability to interact with the scene (and therefore would presumably be invisible to the true inhabitants of that time). A sort of "write once read many" scheme. I believe that would resolve the grandfather paradox. If I were cornered into placing a bet, I would go against backward time travel being possible. But if a Nobel Prize winning physicist of Hawking's stature expresses the opinion that it might be possible, I'd consider the opinion to be well thought out. No, I do not want to bet. I very much doubt time travel is possible as much you or more. I do enjoy science fiction about time travel though. It's partly because I enjoy science fiction way too much. It's mostly because I enjoy the opportunities fiction gives writers to address problems in a way that gets past preconceived notions. That gets them to think about things in different ways from different angles. On my website I warn people that fiction can deliver more truth than the evening news. Looking at it that way it addresses religion and politics as much or more than any science, which becomes a mere backdrop. Twain's Connecticut Yankee ... is not as much about any science as a dream that accomplishes the same thing. Quite many science fiction stories with time travel are interesting because they are opportunities to examine historical figures and how they would interact with people from different phases in history. Of course it can be very important to make the backdrop of science as believable as possible otherwise it interferes with acceptance of the story's politics or religion. If I write about time travel it will be mostly to address some issue in religion or politics in a way that gets past poorly examined notions, but it will also be as believable as I can make it. One thing I should make clear about going back in time and doing whatever things is that one still can't kill one's grandfather before he meets one's grandmother, I had merely implied that. You might travel backward in time with the intention of killing him but change your mind, or be unsuccessful as he survives, or kill someone you thought was your grandfather but wasn't. If anything is possible it's a very well guarded secret. Still, in the interests of advancing science the frontiers of knowledge should be seriously addressed.
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Post by goz on Oct 20, 2018 20:47:49 GMT
When I was a kid (maybe now too) I had a theory that going back in time would only be possible one way, that is, the later time can see and hear and sense what is happening in the past but not be heard or seen by the past or influence it in any way. Another way to resolve the grandfather paradox is that all travel back in time has already happened in the sense that you can go back and do whatever because you already did anyway therefore the future will not change. A problem with that is it will confuse people about the free will versus determinism question more than they already are. Will a Canadian penny suffice? You want to bet a Canadian penny? I've sometimes thought that one might be able to go back in time as an observer with no ability to interact with the scene (and therefore would presumably be invisible to the true inhabitants of that time). A sort of "write once read many" scheme. I believe that would resolve the grandfather paradox. If I were cornered into placing a bet, I would go against backward time travel being possible. But if a Nobel Prize winning physicist of Hawking's stature expresses the opinion that it might be possible, I'd consider the opinion to be well thought out. To do this you would not only need to have a duality of time frames, butt they would have to somehow coincide. IF you believe like I do, that we only have one existence in one body and it dies at physical death and that time continues on 'forever' sequentially as it has done 'forever' then this scenario is at best extremely unlikely and at worst impossible. I would classify my feelings on the topic as pretty much like my lack of faith in a god ie agnostic atheist. Hence I am almost certain that there is no god and no possibility of going back in time, but 'never say never'.
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Post by general313 on Oct 20, 2018 22:29:36 GMT
You want to bet a Canadian penny? I've sometimes thought that one might be able to go back in time as an observer with no ability to interact with the scene (and therefore would presumably be invisible to the true inhabitants of that time). A sort of "write once read many" scheme. I believe that would resolve the grandfather paradox. If I were cornered into placing a bet, I would go against backward time travel being possible. But if a Nobel Prize winning physicist of Hawking's stature expresses the opinion that it might be possible, I'd consider the opinion to be well thought out. To do this you would not only need to have a duality of time frames, butt they would have to somehow coincide. IF you believe like I do, that we only have one existence in one body and it dies at physical death and that time continues on 'forever' sequentially as it has done 'forever' then this scenario is at best extremely unlikely and at worst impossible. I would classify my feelings on the topic as pretty much like my lack of faith in a god ie agnostic atheist. Hence I am almost certain that there is no god and no possibility of going back in time, but 'never say never'.That's pretty much how I look at it. Backward time travel seems very unlikely to me too, but by what we've learned from 20th century physics we know the universe has some surprising and unfamiliar properties.
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 26, 2018 6:26:35 GMT
It's funny how all of these 'smart' people manage to get that one wrong, which is everything. Feologild OakesSeriously? God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) will matter to the individual because without Him(as everything good comes from Him), all is lost. so of course God matters as He created us and to sum it up... ones final destination after life here on earth is either Heaven with Him or hell with satan. so while people make mistakes in life here on earth, that basic truth is not one you want to be on the wrong side of as, if you are on the wrong side, it's the ultimate loss as you have lost all that's good and only hate/evil/enteral suffering remains and the pains of hell far exceed even the worst possible suffering one can possibly experience in this life. people got a pretty messed up view about God in today's world with comments like that (no offense). it's like they will believe just about everything else besides the truth.
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Post by goz on Oct 26, 2018 6:51:49 GMT
It's funny how all of these 'smart' people manage to get that one wrong, which is everything. Feologild Oakes Seriously? God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) will matter to the individual because without Him(as everything good comes from Him), all is lost. so of course God matters as He created us and to sum it up... ones final destination after life here on earth is either Heaven with Him or hell with satan. so while people make mistakes in life here on earth, that basic truth is not one you want to be on the wrong side of as, if you are on the wrong side, it's the ultimate loss as you have lost all that's good and only hate/evil/enteral suffering remains and the pains of hell far exceed even the worst possible suffering one can possibly experience in this life. people got a pretty messed up view about God in today's world with comments like that (no offense). it's like they will believe just about everything else besides the truth. CONGRATULATIONS!!!!    You win the RFS' 'MOST BORING PREDICTABLE AND ASININE' post award. We know that you believe implicitly in God and Jesus and all the other flummery, without reason, excuse or argument. Well done you. Great. Good luck to you.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 26, 2018 8:57:28 GMT
It's funny how all of these 'smart' people manage to get that one wrong, which is everything. Feologild Oakes Seriously? God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) will matter to the individual because without Him(as everything good comes from Him), all is lost. so of course God matters as He created us and to sum it up... ones final destination after life here on earth is either Heaven with Him or hell with satan. so while people make mistakes in life here on earth, that basic truth is not one you want to be on the wrong side of as, if you are on the wrong side, it's the ultimate loss as you have lost all that's good and only hate/evil/enteral suffering remains and the pains of hell far exceed even the worst possible suffering one can possibly experience in this life.people got a pretty messed up view about God in today's world with comments like that (no offense). it's like they will believe just about everything else besides the truth. So whats next you are going to tell me that if i am not nice than Santa won't give me any Christmas presents ?
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Post by phludowin on Oct 26, 2018 9:38:41 GMT
people got a pretty messed up view about God in today's world with comments like that (no offense). it's like they will believe just about everything else besides the truth. If the existence of God is the truth, then it shouldn't be a problem to prove it, right? Go ahead. Provide proof, if you can.
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Post by goz on Oct 26, 2018 19:43:27 GMT
It's funny how all of these 'smart' people manage to get that one wrong, which is everything. Feologild Oakes Seriously? God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) will matter to the individual because without Him(as everything good comes from Him), all is lost. so of course God matters as He created us and to sum it up... ones final destination after life here on earth is either Heaven with Him or hell with satan. so while people make mistakes in life here on earth, that basic truth is not one you want to be on the wrong side of as, if you are on the wrong side, it's the ultimate loss as you have lost all that's good and only hate/evil/enteral suffering remains and the pains of hell far exceed even the worst possible suffering one can possibly experience in this life.people got a pretty messed up view about God in today's world with comments like that (no offense). it's like they will believe just about everything else besides the truth. So whats next you are going to tell me that if i am not nice than Santa won't give me any Christmas presents ? Do you know what give me the MOST shits about these hypocritical Christians? The above paragraph. If a true Christian comes on here and states that they are so happy that they accepted Jesus into their lives and they hope to go to heaven..... this I can cope with and say well done delusional you. This is personally how you feel and good luck to you. HOWEVER that they DARE to tell 'unbelievers' of their delusional fantasy that they will suffer the consequences of that evil paragraph, is beyond nasty. You may say that if I don't believe it makes no difference. True HOWEVER that does not take away from the fact that they are evil hypocritical and totally amoral. To be happy for yourself is one thing, to wish pain and suffering on others is truly evil.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 26, 2018 21:40:32 GMT
So whats next you are going to tell me that if i am not nice than Santa won't give me any Christmas presents ? Do you know what give me the MOST shits about these hypocritical Christians? The above paragraph. If a true Christian comes on here and states that they are so happy that they accepted Jesus into their lives and they hope to go to heaven..... this I can cope with and say well done delusional you. This is personally how you feel and good luck to you. HOWEVER that they DARE to tell 'unbelievers' of their delusional fantasy that they will suffer the consequences of that evil paragraph, is beyond nasty. You may say that if I don't believe it makes no difference. True HOWEVER that does not take away from the fact that they are evil hypocritical and totally amoral. To be happy for yourself is one thing, to wish pain and suffering on others is truly evil.That is the strange thing about many Christians. They preach about love with one voice and with the other voice they wish pain and suffering for everyone who does not believe the same as them. They speak with two tongues.
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