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Post by Xcalatë on Oct 21, 2018 8:57:26 GMT
The Galaxy? that's very unlikely, we could and probably colonize 'nearby' planets and moons to save our species but I think the people/civilizations that develop outside earth will not be that much human. And that is if we don't fuck up the earth up to a point were we ain't going nowhere anyway.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 21, 2018 9:08:57 GMT
I voted for "Yes, BUT ONLY the Moon and Mars and possibly the moons of Jupiter and Saturn". AND even that is HIGHLY-UNLIKELY. Beyond our solar-system (star-system; Sol-System)...NO FUCKING WAY!!!! SORRY ABOUT THAT. ONLY dreamers and fools would believe that. And only the ignorant or deeply stupid would assume it's impossible.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Oct 21, 2018 9:25:33 GMT
I voted for "Yes, BUT ONLY the Moon and Mars and possibly the moons of Jupiter and Saturn". AND even that is HIGHLY-UNLIKELY. Beyond our solar-system (star-system; Sol-System)...NO FUCKING WAY!!!! SORRY ABOUT THAT. ONLY dreamers and fools would believe that. And only the ignorant or deeply stupid would assume it's impossible.
WRONG! Realists KNOW it ISN'T. ONLY the ignorant or deeply stupid would think or believe it's possible. Which it's NOT.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 21, 2018 9:29:36 GMT
And only the ignorant or deeply stupid would assume it's impossible.
WRONG! Realists KNOW it ISN'T. ONLY the ignorant or deeply stupid would think or believe it's possible. Which it's NOT.No, I'm perfectly correct. And I don't need to use larger font to get my point across.
There are simply too many variables to make a judgement call on the long term feasibility of such an occurrence.
I personally don't assume it's entirely possible or impossible. Like I said, there are simply too many variables to make a judgement call.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Oct 21, 2018 9:49:35 GMT
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 21, 2018 10:08:26 GMT
Yes but what do you think ?
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 21, 2018 10:09:04 GMT
Irrelevant. He can take some educated guesses, but experts have been wrong, time and time again, throughout the history of the Human species.
For every authority or expert you produce who says it's impossible, I can produce one who says it's possible.
And that'll just leave us right back where we started, with a bunch of authorities and experts who have no more idea of what the future holds than you or I.
And anyone who claims to know it's possible is the same as anyone who claims to know it's impossible... deluded.
As I said, there are simply too many variables to accurately predict the future.
PS - I can't use links. I need proper addresses to copy-and-paste into my address bar. However, if you have something to say, don't be lazy. Write or type your points out.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 21, 2018 10:22:51 GMT
Yes but what do you think ? Good question.
You might have to wait while he Googles that.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 21, 2018 10:23:08 GMT
I sincerely believe it is impossible to bridge the distance to even the nearest star outside of our solar system. I don't think there's a magic propulsion system that defies the laws of physics, and I don't think we can go into hypersleep for thousands of years. This is also the answer why no one's shown up on our doorstep, even though they had a huge head start in civilization building. I don't think it's infeasible that we could do spaceflights lasting a few decades to a couple hundred years. We'd still need new propulsion systems, but that would enable travel at a small enough fraction of lightspeed that we could slowly colonize other solar systems. It's also not impossible that we could develop propulsion systems that could attain 30% or more lightspeed, in which case we'd greatly reduce spaceflight time so that we could hop from system to system with flights of a decade or less.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 21, 2018 10:41:00 GMT
I sincerely believe it is impossible to bridge the distance to even the nearest star outside of our solar system. I don't think there's a magic propulsion system that defies the laws of physics, and I don't think we can go into hypersleep for thousands of years. This is also the answer why no one's shown up on our doorstep, even though they had a huge head start in civilization building. I don't think it's infeasible that we could do spaceflights lasting a few decades to a couple hundred years. We'd still need new propulsion systems, but that would enable travel at a small enough fraction of lightspeed that we could slowly colonize other solar systems. It's also not impossible that we could develop propulsion systems that could attain 30% or more lightspeed, in which case we'd greatly reduce spaceflight time so that we could hop from system to system with flights of a decade or less. That's certainly one approach, but there are others to consider.
There is no reason to assume that Human lifespans cannot still be greatly enhanced. If you could potentially live for several thousand years, what's a space journey of a couple of centuries?
It could be a multigenerational journey, taking place in a vessel or fleet of vessels. Multiple spacecraft would provide a large community with more variation and redundancy. When it comes to this sort of project, bigger is better.
Alternatively, who says that biological Humans need to make the journey at all? The information could be stored digitally and the on-board computer could raise the first generation of Human colonists as they approach the planet. It could also make alterations to their genetic code to make them more suitable to the new planet if necessary.
Obviously, some of these ideas might take a little longer to bring to reality than others, but the point is, given enough time, most things that can be thought of can be achieved in one way or another.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 21, 2018 11:30:28 GMT
I don't think it's infeasible that we could do spaceflights lasting a few decades to a couple hundred years. We'd still need new propulsion systems, but that would enable travel at a small enough fraction of lightspeed that we could slowly colonize other solar systems. It's also not impossible that we could develop propulsion systems that could attain 30% or more lightspeed, in which case we'd greatly reduce spaceflight time so that we could hop from system to system with flights of a decade or less. That's certainly one approach, but there are others to consider.
There is no reason to assume that Human lifespans cannot still be greatly enhanced. If you could potentially live for several thousand years, what's a space journey of a couple of centuries?
It could be a multigenerational journey, taking place in a vessel or fleet of vessels. Multiple spacecraft would provide a large community with more variation and redundancy. When it comes to this sort of project, bigger is better.
Alternatively, who says that biological Humans need to make the journey at all? The information could be stored digitally and the on-board computer could raise the first generation of Human colonists as they approach the planet. It could also make alterations to their genetic code to make them more suitable to the new planet if necessary.
Obviously, some of these ideas might take a little longer to bring to reality than others, but the point is, given enough time, most things that can be thought of can be achieved in one way or another.
Yeah, multi-generational flights was what I had in mind re a couple hundred years. Very good points about it not needing to be a human crew and about genetic engineering.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 15:02:25 GMT
We already have. Part of it at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 18:20:21 GMT
I'm sure there were folks who said the same kind of stuff about ever moving out of the safety of the cave.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 21, 2018 22:55:29 GMT
Yes. But not soon unfortunately.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 21, 2018 23:30:45 GMT
I voted for "Yes, BUT ONLY the Moon and Mars and possibly the moons of Jupiter and Saturn". AND even that is HIGHLY-UNLIKELY. Beyond our solar-system (star-system; Sol-System)...NO FUCKING WAY!!!! SORRY ABOUT THAT. ONLY dreamers and fools would believe that. The reason you say that is because you are thinking about current technology and our current understanding of physics only. We don't know how those will change one hundred years from now.
One hundred years ago there wasn't even language that could be used to explain to someone what the internet is. And yet today the internet and computers are one of the most integral part of our lives. One hundred years ago we couldn't fly, speak to people across the planet in real time, talk to each other on wrist phones. All these things are real now. How shortsighted you are.
I'll stick with the dreamers and fools who imagine, and make things happen. You can stick with the losers who say things cant be done.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 22, 2018 0:23:25 GMT
Eventually.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 22, 2018 0:32:43 GMT
So, I actually watched the video, and what you say he says...? That's NOT what he says! YOU have misinterpreted what he said. And anyone who actually bothers to watch the video will see that too.
What he IS saying is that its ridiculous to try to predict the future and its technology. And he does bring up the problems so that his audience understands the difficulty. He also raises some possibilities too though. But he doesn't say it will not happen.
So SORRY to YOU...
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 22, 2018 2:48:05 GMT
Sure if a few thousand ppl on Mars 3500yrs from now is soon enough.
As an astronaut put it for a one way trip to Mars right now - would be like sending someone to live in Antarctica, at their younger peak years 20-30, to reside in a sealed train boxcar, & never again have human contact. Have them remain healthy & active in that boxcar & doing tests for NASA as a past time.
For Mars to be more feasible, there will need to be Martian space stations orbiting probably before land dwellings. Why everyone wants to jump on a rocket & live on Mars until they die is so stupid.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 22, 2018 3:52:50 GMT
What he IS saying is that its ridiculous to try to predict the future and its technology. And he does bring up the problems so that his audience understands the difficulty. He also raises some possibilities too though. But he doesn't say it will not happen.
So SORRY to YOU...
That sounds similar to some of the things I've been saying on this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 6:25:14 GMT
Possibly one day but I think most of us will be dead long before that ever happens.
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