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Post by hi224 on Oct 21, 2018 4:46:57 GMT
thoughts on this movie?.
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Post by OldAussie on Oct 21, 2018 6:14:49 GMT
pro -
well written script actors in top form - Schell deserved his oscar
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very minor quibbles - Dietrich sub-plot plays a little awkwardly - Clift and Garland are great but I feel having such big names as the victims is a little distracting.
A solid 8/10
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Post by mattgarth on Oct 21, 2018 6:20:24 GMT
After Schell completed his opening speech scene, Tracy walked over to Widmark, put his arm around his fellow actor's shoulder, and whispered:
"Richard, we are in trouble."
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 21, 2018 6:45:31 GMT
Seen once and thought it was excellent and compelling viewing. Top notch cast to boot as well. Schell was very commanding and magnetic.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 21, 2018 22:20:18 GMT
My problem is Schell putting on all his theatrics for judges, not a jury.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 21, 2018 22:59:06 GMT
Hugely enjoyed it. I'm a big fan of Kramer anyway, particularly his so called message movies which always kind of bothered me because it's not like they were the first socially conscious motion pictures. By that token, Night School is a message movie about learning disabilities. But I digress, I loved JaN.
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Post by kijii on Oct 22, 2018 15:26:51 GMT
Burt Lancaster's role is often overlooked.
It was a small role but powerfully delivered. He played the one Nazi who admitted that they had to know....
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Post by mattgarth on Oct 22, 2018 15:34:41 GMT
Burt Lancaster's role is often overlooked. It was a small role but powerfully delivered. He played the one Nazi who admitted that they had to know.... And poor Burt had to wait until the last 20 minutes of the film to even say anything!
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Post by timshelboy on Oct 22, 2018 16:06:07 GMT
Worth a look but it has been described (dismissed?) as an "all star concentration camp drama with special guest victim appearances".
Not one I have ever wanted to revisit.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 22, 2018 20:48:25 GMT
Burt Lancaster's role is often overlooked. It was a small role but powerfully delivered. He played the one Nazi who admitted that they had to know.... At that time, critics viewed Burt in that role as a flaw in the film. I think he was great.
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Post by kijii on Oct 22, 2018 21:40:01 GMT
Burt Lancaster's role is often overlooked. It was a small role but powerfully delivered. He played the one Nazi who admitted that they had to know.... And poor Burt had to wait until the last 20 minutes of the film to even say anything! Still, it was a 3h 6min movie. And, when he did say something it was quite a speech--
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Post by amyghost on Oct 22, 2018 22:10:54 GMT
One of the few times I've thought Clift really lived up to the acting plaudits he received. He's haunting in this, stunning to see how a handsome man (yes, somewhat ravaged by then, but still good-looking) could appear so completely and utterly destroyed on-camera. Apparently he was experiencing so many memory and mental problems due to his addictions at this point that he could barely recall his lines, but it worked to his advantage in making his delivery so halting and harrowing. And Schell is brilliant--though he had other good roles down the years, he never again did anything that really equalled this.
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Post by koskiewicz on Oct 23, 2018 0:34:05 GMT
Very compelling cinema...
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Post by bravomailer on Oct 23, 2018 1:38:09 GMT
After Schell completed his opening speech scene, Tracy walked over to Widmark, put his arm around his fellow actor's shoulder, and whispered: "Richard, we are in trouble." I liked the scene where Schell reads a passage arguing in favor of forced sterilization, then asks if anyone knows who wrote it. In the context, we think it's Göbbels or Hitler. Schell pauses before revealing it's from Oliver Wendell Holmes in Buck vs Bell (1927) .
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 23, 2018 2:46:07 GMT
After Schell completed his opening speech scene, Tracy walked over to Widmark, put his arm around his fellow actor's shoulder, and whispered: "Richard, we are in trouble." I liked the scene where Schell reads a passage arguing in favor of forced sterilization, then asks if anyone knows who wrote it. In the context, we think it's Göbbels or Hitler. Schell pauses before revealing it's from Oliver Wendell Holmes in Buck vs Bell (1927) . Very powerful scene. Overall this is an amazing film but it's not one that I can revisit often.
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Post by bravomailer on Oct 23, 2018 2:52:32 GMT
This might be the passage Schell reads:
"We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes."
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr in Buck vs Bell (1927)
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