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Post by NormanClature on Oct 21, 2018 7:19:40 GMT
...........Magneto was based on Malcolm X and Proff X was based on MLK - given that a new Magneto would be too young to have been imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps, he is going to need a new origin story. What are the chances he and Proff X will both be black in the new Disney X-Men movies, reflecting Stan Lee's original inspiration for the characters? 
What do Foxverse diehards think of this possibility? |
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Post by summers8 on Oct 21, 2018 8:44:20 GMT
...........Magneto was based on Malcolm X and Proff X was based on MLK - given that a new Magneto would be too young to have been imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps, he is going to need a new origin story. What are the chances he and Proff X will both be black in the new Disney X-Men movies, reflecting Stan Lee's original inspiration for the characters?
What do Foxverse diehards think of this possibility? Magneto and xavier have some MLK and Malcom X belief system but they are not 100% them. also mcu cant even tackle this theme in their movie. it is too heavy for kids and their dumb crowds.
the disney xmen movies tried their own version with killmonger and black panther, even Michael B Jordan said they were influenced by the story style of xmen but as you see disney made it shallow and inferior to xmen.
20 years after, people still reference ian mckellen and partick stewart, they made those roles iconic. the year is not over, who is talking about killmonger and black panther? its another generic mcu movie we have moved on from after the faux hype and disney flawless race baiting pr.
it is not about race. race can only get you far, it is about having the story telling, gut and content to write something thought provoking and have the actors embody that as mckellen and stewart did. if mcu xmen make xavier and magneto black they will still be inferior to Fassbender/Mckellen and Mmcvoy/Stewart since mcu version will be one dimensional jokey folks lacking of any depth.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 23, 2018 19:04:53 GMT
...........Magneto was based on Malcolm X and Proff X was based on MLK - given that a new Magneto would be too young to have been imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps, he is going to need a new origin story. What are the chances he and Proff X will both be black in the new Disney X-Men movies, reflecting Stan Lee's original inspiration for the characters?
What do Foxverse diehards think of this possibility? well, as long as they don't let them grunt like apes in Black Panther I would be fine with it. Interesting new angle. But frankly, it's play-it-save MCU. They even re-rebooted Spiderboy as Tobey schoolchild clone. Best thing we can hope for is that someone killed somebody else's mommy and got electromagnetic nipples about it. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 23, 2018 19:15:17 GMT
Anything's better than another goddamned reboot.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 24, 2018 0:14:20 GMT
I didn’t like X2.
Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are still cool, though.
Wait, what thread am I in?
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Post by summers8 on Oct 24, 2018 8:21:34 GMT
I didn’t like X2. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are still cool, though. Wait, what thread am I in? Inst it the norm now. most mcu fans don't like X2. X2 is a constant reminder of what all marvel movies regardless of studio should be. |
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Post by bud47 on Oct 24, 2018 13:46:23 GMT
I didn’t like X2. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are still cool, though. Wait, what thread am I in? Inst it the norm now. most mcu fans don't like X2. X2 is a constant reminder of what all marvel movies regardless of studio should be. I loved X2 when it first came out. I still think it's a pretty good film. It wasn't until X3 when they lost me. All of this was before the MCU even existed. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 24, 2018 14:53:37 GMT
Inst it the norm now. most mcu fans don't like X2. X2 is a constant reminder of what all marvel movies regardless of studio should be. I loved X2 when it first came out. I still think it's a pretty good film. It wasn't until X3 when they lost me. All of this was before the MCU even existed. lol, they "lost" you with X3 despite First Class, DoFP, Logan and Deadpool...and yet you stayed MCU fanboy despite or because of all the penis, turds and nipples nonsense, including the lowbrow formula mediocrities of Incredible Hulk, IM 2/3, Thor 1/2 Cap 1 etc?
That's more revealing about you than you intended, bud.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 24, 2018 15:35:08 GMT
I loved X2 when it first came out. I still think it's a pretty good film. It wasn't until X3 when they lost me. All of this was before the MCU even existed. lol, they "lost" you with X3 despite First Class, DoFP, Logan and Deadpool...and yet you stayed MCU fanboy despite or because of all the penis, turds and nipples nonsense, including the lowbrow formula mediocrities of Incredible Hulk, IM 2/3, Thor 1/2 Cap 1 etc?
That's more revealing about you than you intended, bud.
I was just referring to the pre-MCU period. I enjoyed Logan and Deadpool very much, although these aren't really part of the X-Men film series. Logan was my favorite comic book film of 2017. I even enjoyed parts of First Class and DOFP, despite the many gripes I have with these films. I enjoy the MCU films as well, but purely for entertainment and escapism. I am more forgiving and can let things go with MCU films that I can't do as easily with X-Men. I was never a fan growing up of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. I hold X-Men to a much higher standard since that is what I grew up with. The animated series especially is what made me a fan and I started reading the comic books from there. When I see Fox's interpretation, despite some things they do get right, all I see are missed opportunities, a lack of forethought and planning, nonexistent continuity, and a studio that just doesn't really seem to care that much about doing these characters justice. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 24, 2018 15:36:33 GMT
I didn’t like X2. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are still cool, though. Wait, what thread am I in? Inst it the norm now. most mcu fans don't like X2. X2 is a constant reminder of what all marvel movies regardless of studio should be. As the real Marvel fans here could tell you, it’d be a stretch to call me an MCU fan. A fan of a few? Sure. Do I hate ‘em? Nah. But a big fan of the whole series? Nah. I found the pacing, direction, special-effects, dialogue, and especially acting (from everyone but McKellen, Stewart, and Cox) to be dreadful in X2, especially when compared to the contemporaneous Spider-Man series. For me, the first two Raimi Spideys are the gold-standard of Marvel superhero movies. I’m more than open to X-Men movies. I like the concept; I liked McKellen, Stewart, and Cox. But I just thought X2, the only one I’ve seen, was unwatchable; the dialogue was so self-serious and goofy and the acting like a high-school play. |
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 5:58:28 GMT
Inst it the norm now. most mcu fans don't like X2. X2 is a constant reminder of what all marvel movies regardless of studio should be. I loved X2 when it first came out. I still think it's a pretty good film. It wasn't until X3 when they lost me. All of this was before the MCU even existed. MCU existed and their movies proved to be inferior to X2. X2 was our TDK before TDK. infact X2 solidified comic movies could be complex and serious and could have drama and tackle complex themes that rival many oscar worthy films. mcu made comic movies a joke.
How is winter solider better than X2 again? oh wait. it is not.
black panther tried to copy to X2 and it failed.
this is X2 right? 96% story. infact that was part of the criticism of X3. X3 had too much action explain what makes 96%cgi from infinity war better?
pls mcu fans limit the embarrassment for once.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 6:05:29 GMT
lol, they "lost" you with X3 despite First Class, DoFP, Logan and Deadpool...and yet you stayed MCU fanboy despite or because of all the penis, turds and nipples nonsense, including the lowbrow formula mediocrities of Incredible Hulk, IM 2/3, Thor 1/2 Cap 1 etc?
That's more revealing about you than you intended, bud.
I was just referring to the pre-MCU period. I enjoyed Logan and Deadpool very much, although these aren't really part of the X-Men film series. Logan was my favorite comic book film of 2017. I even enjoyed parts of First Class and DOFP, despite the many gripes I have with these films. I enjoy the MCU films as well, but purely for entertainment and escapism. I am more forgiving and can let things go with MCU films that I can't do as easily with X-Men. I was never a fan growing up of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. I hold X-Men to a much higher standard since that is what I grew up with. The animated series especially is what made me a fan and I started reading the comic books from there. When I see Fox's interpretation, despite some things they do get right, all I see are missed opportunities, a lack of forethought and planning, nonexistent continuity, and a studio that just doesn't really seem to care that much about doing these characters justice. you lost me when you said fan. how does a fan of xmen keep getting xmen story and lore so wrong? did I not factually correct you on the DOFP story?
true you people hold xmen to a higher standard reason xmen can never get away with mcu movies. they have to make movies like first class and dofp. serious complex dramas, they cant get away with cgi driven movies and dance offs.
do you see the contradiction, if you hold xmen to a higher standard how can you justify disney making xmen movies, a company that has said they make dumb down comedy movies. the same company that released inferior movies to FC, DOFP, Deadpol and Logan.
too bad, you still cant deal with facts.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 6:08:43 GMT
I loved X2 when it first came out. I still think it's a pretty good film. It wasn't until X3 when they lost me. All of this was before the MCU even existed. lol, they "lost" you with X3 despite First Class, DoFP, Logan and Deadpool...and yet you stayed MCU fanboy despite or because of all the penis, turds and nipples nonsense, including the lowbrow formula mediocrities of Incredible Hulk, IM 2/3, Thor 1/2 Cap 1 etc?
That's more revealing about you than you intended, bud.
yeah, its kind of funny.
he claims to hold xmen to a higher standard but wants xmen to be like mcu movies, the same mcu movies that have the lowest standard comic movies. so dumb and childish
Also remembered he got DOFP wrong? how can a fan of xmen get such an iconic story line wrong?
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 6:20:47 GMT
LET'S GET BACK TO THE TOPIC. This is how mcu will do the xavier and magneto dynamic.
as you have seen from black panther? what are the odds to do it better? factually pretty slim.
rewatch black panther, see if you will find a more intellectual dicussion that could rival xavier/magneto or even Malcom X and MLK K.
compare the two videos.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 25, 2018 8:07:40 GMT
I found the pacing to be dreadful in X2That's surprising to hear. I think X2 has the best pacing and editing of any comic book film. Watching it from start to finish is super smooth with almost no filler scenes or directionless subplots. |
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 13:53:46 GMT
I found the pacing to be dreadful in X2That's surprising to hear. I think X2 has the best pacing and editing of any comic book film. Watching it from start to finish is super smooth with almost no filler scenes or directionless subplots. true. I think this was also the problem of X3. X2 had an excellent pacing. good film making facts backs it up, reason X2 can have a drama moment for more 20 minutes than an action moment then back to story telling to a film like X3 or infinity war that was action, action, action while the story was bread crumbs scatted. |
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 14:15:56 GMT
I loved X2 when it first came out. I still think it's a pretty good film. It wasn't until X3 when they lost me. All of this was before the MCU even existed. MCU existed and their movies proved to be inferior to X2. X2 was our TDK before TDK. infact X2 solidified comic movies could be complex and serious and could have drama and tackle complex themes that rival many oscar worthy films. mcu made comic movies a joke.
How is winter solider better than X2 again? oh wait. it is not.
black panther tried to copy to X2 and it failed.
this is X2 right? 96% story. infact that was part of the criticism of X3. X3 had too much action explain what makes 96%cgi from infinity war better?
pls mcu fans limit the embarrassment for once.
Um...X2 was released in 2003 and X3 was released in 2006. Iron Man was released in 2008. Hence, the MCU didn't exist when X2 and X3 were released. Understand? Whether X2 is better than Black Panther or Winter Soldier is subject to opinion. Black Panther did not try to copy X2. Not sure where you're getting this. Most of the criticism for X3 had to do with the film being rushed to meet a release date and the fact that Bryan Singer ditched the film so that he could run off and ruin Superman. How do you make a film like Infinity War without a lot of CGI? |
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 14:26:29 GMT
I was just referring to the pre-MCU period. I enjoyed Logan and Deadpool very much, although these aren't really part of the X-Men film series. Logan was my favorite comic book film of 2017. I even enjoyed parts of First Class and DOFP, despite the many gripes I have with these films. I enjoy the MCU films as well, but purely for entertainment and escapism. I am more forgiving and can let things go with MCU films that I can't do as easily with X-Men. I was never a fan growing up of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. I hold X-Men to a much higher standard since that is what I grew up with. The animated series especially is what made me a fan and I started reading the comic books from there. When I see Fox's interpretation, despite some things they do get right, all I see are missed opportunities, a lack of forethought and planning, nonexistent continuity, and a studio that just doesn't really seem to care that much about doing these characters justice. you lost me when you said fan. how does a fan of xmen keep getting xmen story and lore so wrong? did I not factually correct you on the DOFP story?
true you people hold xmen to a higher standard reason xmen can never get away with mcu movies. they have to make movies like first class and dofp. serious complex dramas, they cant get away with cgi driven movies and dance offs.
do you see the contradiction, if you hold xmen to a higher standard how can you justify disney making xmen movies, a company that has said they make dumb down comedy movies. the same company that released inferior movies to FC, DOFP, Deadpol and Logan.
too bad, you still cant deal with facts.
Yes, I consider myself a fan. Who are you to say otherwise who is or who isn't a fan? Where exactly did I get the lore and story wrong? First Class and DOFP are not complex dramas. Sure they have drama, but they're about as straightforward as they come. The dance-off again? Really? What you can't seem to deal with is the fact that the MCU will be making X-Men movies going forward. It doesn't matter what you say, do or think. Nothing will change that. We just have to wait and see what they come up with. Hopefully, they will give us X-Men films to be proud of. If not, then you can come back and tell us you told us so. Until then, shut your trap about it. |
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 14:28:04 GMT
MCU existed and their movies proved to be inferior to X2. X2 was our TDK before TDK. infact X2 solidified comic movies could be complex and serious and could have drama and tackle complex themes that rival many oscar worthy films. mcu made comic movies a joke.
How is winter solider better than X2 again? oh wait. it is not.
black panther tried to copy to X2 and it failed.
this is X2 right? 96% story. infact that was part of the criticism of X3. X3 had too much action explain what makes 96%cgi from infinity war better?
pls mcu fans limit the embarrassment for once.
Um...X2 was released in 2003 and X3 was released in 2006. Iron Man was released in 2008. Hence, the MCU didn't exist when X2 and X3 were released. Understand? Whether X2 is better than Black Panther or Winter Soldier is subject to opinion. Black Panther did not try to copy X2. Not sure where you're getting this. Most of the criticism for X3 had to do with the film being rushed to meet a release date and the fact that Bryan Singer ditched the film so that he could run off and ruin Superman. How do you make a film like Infinity War without a lot of CGI? 1. iron man was released in 2008 and was a forgettable generic movie though not as bad as mcu movies now. 2. it is not subject to opinion. there are actual film making facts that can back up a better film. X2 is better than winter solider and black panther because it is a more compelling film, deeper themes, better directed, better stand out cgi moments, stronger main characters including heroes and villains. Also why will any xmen fan like black panther over X2? There is nothing in the xmen lore to support that, if there is. please tell us. if you say it is opinon, notice you don't have reason. I have reason for saying X2 is better than every mcu movie and I can back it up. 3. major criticism of X3 was it was superficial like MCU movies are now and lacked real story telling compared to X2 and X1. X3 for Xmen is like infifnty war. 4. how did they make LOTR and Star Wars 4-6 with lots of CGI? |
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 14:34:41 GMT
you lost me when you said fan. how does a fan of xmen keep getting xmen story and lore so wrong? did I not factually correct you on the DOFP story?
true you people hold xmen to a higher standard reason xmen can never get away with mcu movies. they have to make movies like first class and dofp. serious complex dramas, they cant get away with cgi driven movies and dance offs.
do you see the contradiction, if you hold xmen to a higher standard how can you justify disney making xmen movies, a company that has said they make dumb down comedy movies. the same company that released inferior movies to FC, DOFP, Deadpol and Logan.
too bad, you still cant deal with facts.
Yes, I consider myself a fan. Who are you to say otherwise who is or who isn't a fan? Where exactly did I get the lore and story wrong? First Class and DOFP are not complex dramas. Sure they have drama, but they're about as straightforward as they come. The dance-off again? Really? What you can't seem to deal with is the fact that the MCU will be making X-Men movies going forward. It doesn't matter what you say, do or think. Nothing will change that. We just have to wait and see what they come up with. Hopefully, they will give us X-Men films to be proud of. If not, then you can come back and tell us you told us so. Until then, shut your trap about it. 1. you got factually DOFP wrong. 2. first class and dofp were complex comic dramas, infact this is the only reason why they got good reviews from critics., fans and liked by many film makers. you are saying they are not because you cant say that about any mcu movie. so again, you contradict yourself on standard. they may be straight forward but very complex compared to mcu fun comedy light brainfart movies. 3. if anyone cant deal with mcu xmen, it is you. as you cant even tell us how mcu will make an xmen movie. 4. last I checked most real xmen fans are proud of the great xmen movies just for the credibility they gave comic films. 5. as usual it gets to petty attacks. why would any xmen fan be proud of a mcu xmen movie that wont even get near XMEN TAS, A Saturday morning cartoon. |
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