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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 25, 2018 14:42:00 GMT
I found the pacing to be dreadful in X2That's surprising to hear. I think X2 has the best pacing and editing of any comic book film. Watching it from start to finish is super smooth with almost no filler scenes or directionless subplots. That’s OK. My pacing complaints mostly involved the handling of the action-sequences—the director is almost standoffish in how he shoots it—and in those horrible early scenes with Wolverine in the tundra and with everyone in the house, with that kid who switches channels with his eyes. I found it really boring, but of course that’s just my opinion. It could be more because of the dialogue and acting, which I thought truly awful (again, McKellen, Stewart, and Cox notwithstanding), than because of the pacing.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 14:44:09 GMT
Um...X2 was released in 2003 and X3 was released in 2006. Iron Man was released in 2008. Hence, the MCU didn't exist when X2 and X3 were released. Understand? Whether X2 is better than Black Panther or Winter Soldier is subject to opinion. Black Panther did not try to copy X2. Not sure where you're getting this. Most of the criticism for X3 had to do with the film being rushed to meet a release date and the fact that Bryan Singer ditched the film so that he could run off and ruin Superman. How do you make a film like Infinity War without a lot of CGI? 1. iron man was released in 2008 and was a forgettable generic movie though not as bad as mcu movies now. 2. it is not subject to opinion. there are actual film making facts that can back up a better film. X2 is better than winter solider and black panther because it is a more compelling film, deeper themes, better directed, better stand out cgi moments, stronger main characters including heroes and villains. Also why will any xmen fan like black panther over X2? There is nothing in the xmen lore to support that, if there is. please tell us. if you say it is opinon, notice you don't have reason. I have reason for saying X2 is better than every mcu movie and I can back it up. 3. major criticism of X3 was it was superficial like MCU movies are now and lacked real story telling compared to X2 and X1. X3 for Xmen is like infifnty war. 4. how did they make LOTR and Star Wars 4-6 with lots of CGI? Iron Man saved Robert Downey Jr.'s career and launched a successful film franchise that continues to this day 10 years later and is still going strong. Nobody cared about Iron Man before that film and now it's a household name and a recognized part of our pop culture. How exactly is that forgettable? OK, so you liked X2 more than Black Panther and Winter Soldier. Others don't. Opinions don't always require reasoning. Someone can just say they like something more than something else. See, that's how opinions work. Yes, that's your reason NOW for liking X3 more than the MCU. But back in 2006 the MCU didn't exist. The reasoning for the film's criticism and failure back then had nothing to do with the MCU. Um...LOTR did use a lot of CGI. Pretty hard to miss actually. CGI didn't really exist back when the original Star Wars trilogy was made. They did use the tools available to them at the time though, including people dressed as little teddy bears.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 25, 2018 14:56:08 GMT
First Class and DOFP are not complex dramas. Sure they have drama, but they're about as straightforward as they come. Within the comic book movie genre, yes they are. The themes presented in the films are examined more rigorously compared with other franchise films. Black Panther for example pales in comparison to DOFP or X2 when its trying to explore the whole black nation uprising themes. So does Civil War. Its not opinion its truth, if it needs be I will go watch all these films again and extract the exact amount of time the films spend on dialogue conversation involving the major themes. But i already know movies like Black Panther spend more time on CGI fighting and useless exposition.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 14:57:48 GMT
Yes, I consider myself a fan. Who are you to say otherwise who is or who isn't a fan? Where exactly did I get the lore and story wrong? First Class and DOFP are not complex dramas. Sure they have drama, but they're about as straightforward as they come. The dance-off again? Really? What you can't seem to deal with is the fact that the MCU will be making X-Men movies going forward. It doesn't matter what you say, do or think. Nothing will change that. We just have to wait and see what they come up with. Hopefully, they will give us X-Men films to be proud of. If not, then you can come back and tell us you told us so. Until then, shut your trap about it. 1. you got factually DOFP wrong. 2. first class and dofp were complex comic dramas, infact this is the only reason why they got good reviews from critics., fans and liked by many film makers. you are saying they are not because you cant say that about any mcu movie. so again, you contradict yourself on standard. they may be straight forward but very complex compared to mcu fun comedy light brainfart movies. 3. if anyone cant deal with mcu xmen, it is you. as you cant even tell us how mcu will make an xmen movie. 4. last I checked most real xmen fans are proud of the great xmen movies just for the credibility they gave comic films. 5. as usual it gets to petty attacks. why would any xmen fan be proud of a mcu xmen movie that wont even get near XMEN TAS, A Saturday morning cartoon. Where exactly did I get DOFP wrong? Complex means it really makes you think. Dramatic yes, complex no. The only thing complex about these films is trying to make sense of their screwed up timeline. No, I can't predict the future. I guess we'll just have to see what they come up with. Hopefully, it will be filled with dance-offs just to mess with people like you.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 15:15:50 GMT
First Class and DOFP are not complex dramas. Sure they have drama, but they're about as straightforward as they come. Within the comic book movie genre, yes they are. The themes presented in the films are examined more rigorously compared with other franchise films. Black Panther for example pales in comparison to DOFP or X2 when its trying to explore the whole black nation uprising themes. So does Civil War. Its not opinion its truth, if it needs be I will go watch all these films again and extract the exact amount of time the films spend on dialogue conversation involving the major themes. But i already know movies like Black Panther spend more time on CGI fighting and useless exposition. Sure, if you want to compare them I guess, which you needlessly do. However, the MCU films aren't meant to be overly deep and complex. They're just meant to be entertaining. If that bothers you and you need something more, then don't watch their films. It's that simple.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 15:21:44 GMT
1. you got factually DOFP wrong. 2. first class and dofp were complex comic dramas, infact this is the only reason why they got good reviews from critics., fans and liked by many film makers. you are saying they are not because you cant say that about any mcu movie. so again, you contradict yourself on standard. they may be straight forward but very complex compared to mcu fun comedy light brainfart movies. 3. if anyone cant deal with mcu xmen, it is you. as you cant even tell us how mcu will make an xmen movie. 4. last I checked most real xmen fans are proud of the great xmen movies just for the credibility they gave comic films. 5. as usual it gets to petty attacks. why would any xmen fan be proud of a mcu xmen movie that wont even get near XMEN TAS, A Saturday morning cartoon. Where exactly did I get DOFP wrong? Complex means it really makes you think. Dramatic yes, complex no. The only thing complex about these films is trying to make sense of their screwed up timeline. No, I can't predict the future. I guess we'll just have to see what they come up with. Hopefully, it will be filled with dance-offs just to mess with people like you. 1. you did not know how the plot and characters worked like the comics and animated show. 2. true complex means makes you think, you know how when people watch xmen they think about real world issues. infact isn't this part of the problem with the mcu empty video debate. that reference xmen as more thought provoking? 3. you can predict the future. mcu has 22 movies and a formula. so we know how mcu xnmen will turn out. to DOFP , X2 or Logan. a silly childish joke. 4. lol. filled with dance offs? xmen fans don't do dance off.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 15:23:12 GMT
Within the comic book movie genre, yes they are. The themes presented in the films are examined more rigorously compared with other franchise films. Black Panther for example pales in comparison to DOFP or X2 when its trying to explore the whole black nation uprising themes. So does Civil War. Its not opinion its truth, if it needs be I will go watch all these films again and extract the exact amount of time the films spend on dialogue conversation involving the major themes. But i already know movies like Black Panther spend more time on CGI fighting and useless exposition. Sure, if you want to compare them I guess, which you needlessly do. However, the MCU films aren't meant to be overly deep and complex. They're just meant to be entertaining. If that bothers you and you need something more, then don't watch their films. It's that simple. xmen comics are meant to be deep and complex. that is why they have so many classic comics and why tas was so ground breaking for a Saturday morning show, same goes for X1 how can a xmen fan not know this?
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Post by charzhino on Oct 25, 2018 15:23:44 GMT
Within the comic book movie genre, yes they are. The themes presented in the films are examined more rigorously compared with other franchise films. Black Panther for example pales in comparison to DOFP or X2 when its trying to explore the whole black nation uprising themes. So does Civil War. Its not opinion its truth, if it needs be I will go watch all these films again and extract the exact amount of time the films spend on dialogue conversation involving the major themes. But i already know movies like Black Panther spend more time on CGI fighting and useless exposition. Sure, if you want to compare them I guess, which you needlessly do. However, the MCU films aren't meant to be overly deep and complex. They're just meant to be entertaining. If that bothers you and you need something more, then don't watch their films. It's that simple. And thats why Disney wont be able to handle Xmen properly. It bothers me because Disney MCU are the leading brand dominating cinema who have unlimited resources yet are too lazy to give their films more substance and intellect. 10 years and not a single film anywhere close to Dark Knight or Logan. Theres no inoffensive way to say it but they are dumbing down and lowering audiences standards on what intelligent blockbusters are supposed to be.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 15:29:16 GMT
1. iron man was released in 2008 and was a forgettable generic movie though not as bad as mcu movies now. 2. it is not subject to opinion. there are actual film making facts that can back up a better film. X2 is better than winter solider and black panther because it is a more compelling film, deeper themes, better directed, better stand out cgi moments, stronger main characters including heroes and villains. Also why will any xmen fan like black panther over X2? There is nothing in the xmen lore to support that, if there is. please tell us. if you say it is opinon, notice you don't have reason. I have reason for saying X2 is better than every mcu movie and I can back it up. 3. major criticism of X3 was it was superficial like MCU movies are now and lacked real story telling compared to X2 and X1. X3 for Xmen is like infifnty war. 4. how did they make LOTR and Star Wars 4-6 with lots of CGI? Iron Man saved Robert Downey Jr.'s career and launched a successful film franchise that continues to this day 10 years later and is still going strong. Nobody cared about Iron Man before that film and now it's a household name and a recognized part of our pop culture. How exactly is that forgettable? OK, so you liked X2 more than Black Panther and Winter Soldier. Others don't. Opinions don't always require reasoning. Someone can just say they like something more than something else. See, that's how opinions work. Yes, that's your reason NOW for liking X3 more than the MCU. But back in 2006 the MCU didn't exist. The reasoning for the film's criticism and failure back then had nothing to do with the MCU. Um...LOTR did use a lot of CGI. Pretty hard to miss actually. CGI didn't really exist back when the original Star Wars trilogy was made. They did use the tools available to them at the time though, including people dressed as little teddy bears. hm, Iron Man 1, the only decent iron man film. why did TDK have it so easy again? if iron man 1 made mcu such a strong franchise why were mcu fans trying to force xmen and spiderman into the mcu? also why did the reputation of comic movie take a turn for the worse. LOL..Opinions don't require reason. Um they do, since most people based their opinions on real reasons. please can you stop embarrassing yourself. did you think there was no reason people said BP had bad cgi or no reason why people said DOFP was a superior film to winter solider in 2014? X3 is as bad as the best mcu movies
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 15:30:38 GMT
Sure, if you want to compare them I guess, which you needlessly do. However, the MCU films aren't meant to be overly deep and complex. They're just meant to be entertaining. If that bothers you and you need something more, then don't watch their films. It's that simple. And thats why Disney wont be able to handle Xmen properly. It bothers me because Disney MCU are the leading brand dominating cinema who have unlimited resources yet are too lazy to give their films more substance and intellect. 10 years and not a single film anywhere close to Dark Knight or Logan. Theres no inoffensive way to say it but they are dumbing down and lowering audiences standards on what intelligent blockbusters are supposed to be. Dark Knight or Logan is way too much. Try DOFP and Batman Begins. mcu is not even close to those films.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 15:47:18 GMT
Sure, if you want to compare them I guess, which you needlessly do. However, the MCU films aren't meant to be overly deep and complex. They're just meant to be entertaining. If that bothers you and you need something more, then don't watch their films. It's that simple. And thats why Disney wont be able to handle Xmen properly. It bothers me because Disney MCU are the leading brand dominating cinema who have unlimited resources yet are too lazy to give their films more substance and intellect. 10 years and not a single film anywhere close to Dark Knight or Logan. Theres no inoffensive way to say it but they are dumbing down and lowering audiences standards on what intelligent blockbusters are supposed to be. Maybe, but we can't really say how they will handle it at this point. Maybe they will take a different direction as time goes on. Maybe they will keep the X-Men separate from the rest of the MCU. Maybe they'll hold off on making X-Men films and let it rest for a while, while they focus on their existing characters. One thing is for sure, it's impossible to do X-Men without at least a little bit of substance. It's part of the package. I think we can count on Marvel honoring that, even if it doesn't produce a Dark Knight or a Logan. Who knows, they may surprise you. In the meantime, you're letting something bother you that you have no control over, which seems kind of pointless.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 25, 2018 15:54:05 GMT
And thats why Disney wont be able to handle Xmen properly. It bothers me because Disney MCU are the leading brand dominating cinema who have unlimited resources yet are too lazy to give their films more substance and intellect. 10 years and not a single film anywhere close to Dark Knight or Logan. Theres no inoffensive way to say it but they are dumbing down and lowering audiences standards on what intelligent blockbusters are supposed to be. Maybe, but we can't really say how they will handle it at this point. Maybe they will take a different direction as time goes on. Maybe they will keep the X-Men separate from the rest of the MCU. Maybe they'll hold off on making X-Men films and let it rest for a while, while they focus on their existing characters. One thing is for sure, it's impossible to do X-Men without at least a little bit of substance. It's part of the package. I think we can count on Marvel honoring that, even if it doesn't produce a Dark Knight or a Logan. Who knows, they may surprise you. In the meantime, you're letting something bother you that you have no control over, which seems kind of pointless. It will be a miracle if they can. Weve already seen evidence in how Disney have regressed the new age of Star Wars movies from the deeply enriched stories they were in the original trilogy and even RoTS. And thats by using a formula very similar to what they deploy in the MCU.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 16:01:40 GMT
Iron Man saved Robert Downey Jr.'s career and launched a successful film franchise that continues to this day 10 years later and is still going strong. Nobody cared about Iron Man before that film and now it's a household name and a recognized part of our pop culture. How exactly is that forgettable? OK, so you liked X2 more than Black Panther and Winter Soldier. Others don't. Opinions don't always require reasoning. Someone can just say they like something more than something else. See, that's how opinions work. Yes, that's your reason NOW for liking X3 more than the MCU. But back in 2006 the MCU didn't exist. The reasoning for the film's criticism and failure back then had nothing to do with the MCU. Um...LOTR did use a lot of CGI. Pretty hard to miss actually. CGI didn't really exist back when the original Star Wars trilogy was made. They did use the tools available to them at the time though, including people dressed as little teddy bears. hm, Iron Man 1, the only decent iron man film. why did TDK have it so easy again? if iron man 1 made mcu such a strong franchise why were mcu fans trying to force xmen and spiderman into the mcu? also why did the reputation of comic movie take a turn for the worse. LOL..Opinions don't require reason. Um they do, since most people based their opinions on real reasons. please can you stop embarrassing yourself. did you think there was no reason people said BP had bad cgi or no reason why people said DOFP was a superior film to winter solider in 2014? X3 is as bad as the best mcu movies In my opinion, The Dark Knight was the better film, but not everything has to be a competition. Both films were financially successful, earned critical praise and were enjoyed by fans. No one is forcing anything. Fox sold to Disney. Sony agreed to share Spider-Man with Marvel to recover from the damage done by the lackluster Amazing Spider-Man films. MCU fans didn't force any of this. I'm not going to explain how opinions work anymore. You just don't seem to understand this very basic concept. If you don't understand it by now, you never will. Yes, Black Panther had a couple of scenes with some questionable CGI. How many more times are you going to keep bringing this up? This has already been acknowledged and agreed upon. You are a broken record.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 16:05:40 GMT
Maybe, but we can't really say how they will handle it at this point. Maybe they will take a different direction as time goes on. Maybe they will keep the X-Men separate from the rest of the MCU. Maybe they'll hold off on making X-Men films and let it rest for a while, while they focus on their existing characters. One thing is for sure, it's impossible to do X-Men without at least a little bit of substance. It's part of the package. I think we can count on Marvel honoring that, even if it doesn't produce a Dark Knight or a Logan. Who knows, they may surprise you. In the meantime, you're letting something bother you that you have no control over, which seems kind of pointless. It will be a miracle if they can. Weve already seen evidence in how Disney have regressed the new age of Star Wars movies from the deeply enriched stories they were in the original trilogy and even RoTS. And thats by using a formula very similar to what they deploy in the MCU. Well then you know what to expect then and you can plan accordingly. You've already made up your mind. Get those old X-Men blu-rays out and keep them on repeat. What else do you want to do? Start a petition? Or just keep stomping your feet?
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 16:07:57 GMT
Maybe, but we can't really say how they will handle it at this point. Maybe they will take a different direction as time goes on. Maybe they will keep the X-Men separate from the rest of the MCU. Maybe they'll hold off on making X-Men films and let it rest for a while, while they focus on their existing characters. One thing is for sure, it's impossible to do X-Men without at least a little bit of substance. It's part of the package. I think we can count on Marvel honoring that, even if it doesn't produce a Dark Knight or a Logan. Who knows, they may surprise you. In the meantime, you're letting something bother you that you have no control over, which seems kind of pointless. It will be a miracle if they can. Weve already seen evidence in how Disney have regressed the new age of Star Wars movies from the deeply enriched stories they were in the original trilogy and even RoTS. And thats by using a formula very similar to what they deploy in the MCU. the bigger takeaway, is that star wars fans hated the new movies because it was like the mcu movies.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 16:09:04 GMT
It will be a miracle if they can. Weve already seen evidence in how Disney have regressed the new age of Star Wars movies from the deeply enriched stories they were in the original trilogy and even RoTS. And thats by using a formula very similar to what they deploy in the MCU. the bigger takeaway, is that star wars fans hated the new movies because it was like the mcu movies. Anything is a step up from the prequels.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 25, 2018 16:11:09 GMT
And thats why Disney wont be able to handle Xmen properly. It bothers me because Disney MCU are the leading brand dominating cinema who have unlimited resources yet are too lazy to give their films more substance and intellect. 10 years and not a single film anywhere close to Dark Knight or Logan. Theres no inoffensive way to say it but they are dumbing down and lowering audiences standards on what intelligent blockbusters are supposed to be. Dark Knight or Logan is way too much. Try DOFP and Batman Begins. mcu is not even close to those films. Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War are all up there with Logan, The Dark Knight, DoFP and Batman Begins. I know you're going to say no because that's your opinion, but its just an opinion. Meanwhile, the general consensus considers those three to be as good The Dark Knight, as well Black Panther (personally, I don't think this one is). Your opinion doesn't speak for the rest of the world, just yourself. I know it's hard for a guy like you with a mentality of a manchild to understand that, but don't worry, you get it eventually, Nancy.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 25, 2018 16:13:30 GMT
...........Magneto was based on Malcolm X and Proff X was based on MLK - given that a new Magneto would be too young to have been imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps, he is going to need a new origin story. What are the chances he and Proff X will both be black in the new Disney X-Men movies, reflecting Stan Lee's original inspiration for the characters?
What do Foxverse diehards think of this possibility? well, as long as they don't let them grunt like apes in Black Panther I would be fine with it. Interesting new angle. But frankly, it's play-it-save MCU. They even re-rebooted Spiderboy as Tobey schoolchild clone. Best thing we can hope for is that someone killed somebody else's mommy and got electromagnetic nipples about it. You got an unhealthy obsession with nipples and turds. I know you fantasize about stuff like that, but Christ, keep it to yourself. No need to share it on these boards.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 16:16:57 GMT
Dark Knight or Logan is way too much. Try DOFP and Batman Begins. mcu is not even close to those films. Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War are all up there with Logan, The Dark Knight, DoFP and Batman Begins. I know you're going to say no because that's your opinion, but its just an opinion. Meanwhile, the general consensus considers those three to be as good The Dark Knight, as well Black Panther (personally, I don't think this one is). Your opinion doesn't speak for the rest of the world, just yourself. I know it's hard for a guy like you with a mentality of a manchild to understand that, but don't worry, you get it eventually, Nancy. Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War are all up there with Logan, The Dark Knight, DoFP and Batman Begins. WRONG. SO WRONG. Just even for the fact that these movies are less grounded, more cgi driven and their plot is derivative. What general consensus, praising a movie because of the race of the cast is not a consensus. these movie cant be up there with those also from the fact alone they are dumbed down and are not good dramas that just happens to be a comic film.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 25, 2018 16:22:57 GMT
Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War are all up there with Logan, The Dark Knight, DoFP and Batman Begins. I know you're going to say no because that's your opinion, but its just an opinion. Meanwhile, the general consensus considers those three to be as good The Dark Knight, as well Black Panther (personally, I don't think this one is). Your opinion doesn't speak for the rest of the world, just yourself. I know it's hard for a guy like you with a mentality of a manchild to understand that, but don't worry, you get it eventually, Nancy. Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War are all up there with Logan, The Dark Knight, DoFP and Batman Begins. WRONG. SO WRONG. Just even for the fact that these movies are less grounded, more cgi driven and their plot is derivative. What general consensus, praising a movie because of the race of the cast is not a consensus. these movie cant be up there with those also from the fact alone they are dumbed down and are not good dramas that just happens to be a comic film. Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but again, yours doesn't speak for the rest of the world. You'll learn that one day, Nancy. But don't feel intimidated because the likes of Civil War or Winter Soldier and Infinity War as good as The Dark Knight.
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