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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 18:46:56 GMT
Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War are all up there with Logan, The Dark Knight, DoFP and Batman Begins. WRONG. SO WRONG. Just even for the fact that these movies are less grounded, more cgi driven and their plot is derivative. What general consensus, praising a movie because of the race of the cast is not a consensus. these movie cant be up there with those also from the fact alone they are dumbed down and are not good dramas that just happens to be a comic film. Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but again, yours doesn't speak for the rest of the world. You'll learn that one day, Nancy. But don't feel intimidated because the likes of Civil War or Winter Soldier and Infinity War as good as The Dark Knight. I find it cute how people are screaming opinions without actually talking about the opinions.
do mcu movies have better story telling, 3 dimensional heroes, better villains, better directed movies, stronger screen plays, better reception outside the superhero low standard bubble?
when I say Logan, TDK, DOFP, BB Spiderman 2 are great films, I factually form those opinions from those things I mentioned. this is how to judge good movies since the beginning of time
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Post by bud47 on Oct 25, 2018 20:22:10 GMT
Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but again, yours doesn't speak for the rest of the world. You'll learn that one day, Nancy. But don't feel intimidated because the likes of Civil War or Winter Soldier and Infinity War as good as The Dark Knight. I find it cute how people are screaming opinions without actually talking about the opinions.
do mcu movies have better story telling, 3 dimensional heroes, better villains, better directed movies, stronger screen plays, better reception outside the superhero low standard bubble?
when I say Logan, TDK, DOFP, BB Spiderman 2 are great films, I factually form those opinions from those things I mentioned. this is how to judge good movies since the beginning of time
Unlike with you, the opinions of others don't require validation or explanation. If a person wants to call Howard The Duck the greatest film of all time, that's their opinion. A person shouldn't have to explain why. That's their right. Do you just really need people to agree with you? Let it go.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 26, 2018 5:46:19 GMT
I find it cute how people are screaming opinions without actually talking about the opinions.
do mcu movies have better story telling, 3 dimensional heroes, better villains, better directed movies, stronger screen plays, better reception outside the superhero low standard bubble?
when I say Logan, TDK, DOFP, BB Spiderman 2 are great films, I factually form those opinions from those things I mentioned. this is how to judge good movies since the beginning of time
Unlike with you, the opinions of others don't require validation or explanation. If a person wants to call Howard The Duck the greatest film of all time, that's their opinion. A person shouldn't have to explain why. That's their right. Do you just really need people to agree with you? Let it go. back to the topic with the generic story arc of black panther that felt more like thor 1 than xmen first class on the compelling angle of magneto/xavier. how will mcu xmen handle that? or will they just race bend xavier and magneto and race bait about it as a faux way to hype their comedy childish xmen up?
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2018 6:01:25 GMT
The MCU X-Men would do well to move away from that angle altogether actually.
The Professor X and Magneto dynamic has had enough emphasis at this point. Every single X-Men movie without fail has had this conflict between the two of them. It's actually become really tiresome to be honest.
Very interesting in First Class...but it's still being done, three movies later and it's still a thing. Magneto is still around. This is like if they had Green Goblin in every Spider-man movie.
It's taken too much focus away from the X-Men themselves. In the comics and the cartoon, it was mainly about the X-Men, Cyclops, Beast, Wolverine, Gambit, Storm and so on. Professor X took a bit of a back seat so they dealt with all manner of different villains.
Omega Red, Shadow King, Mojo, Mr Sinister, Sauron, Master Mold, Juggernaut, Silver Samurai etc.
But no in the movies, they just keep harking on and on about Professor X and Magneto over and over again.
I'd want at least three MCU X-Men movies before they introduced Magneto.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 26, 2018 8:08:37 GMT
The MCU X-Men would do well to move away from that angle altogether actually. The Professor X and Magneto dynamic has had enough emphasis at this point. Every single X-Men movie without fail has had this conflict between the two of them. It's actually become really tiresome to be honest.Very interesting in First Class...but it's still being done, three movies later and it's still a thing. Magneto is still around. This is like if they had Green Goblin in every Spider-man movie. It's taken too much focus away from the X-Men themselves. In the comics and the cartoon, it was mainly about the X-Men, Cyclops, Beast, Wolverine, Gambit, Storm and so on. Professor X took a bit of a back seat so they dealt with all manner of different villains. Omega Red, Shadow King, Mojo, Mr Sinister, Sauron, Master Mold, Juggernaut, Silver Samurai etc. But no in the movies, they just keep harking on and on about Professor X and Magneto over and over again. I'd want at least three MCU X-Men movies before they introduced Magneto. It’s completely absent in X2 and X3. They don’t even interact in those films. And Xavier was an underdeveloped prop in the original trilogy instead of an actual character. He gets taken out really early in all three of them. So to say that takes away attention from the other X-Men isn’t true. I mean, do you seriously believe that gets more screentime than Storm in X3?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 26, 2018 8:21:17 GMT
1. iron man was released in 2008 and was a forgettable generic movie though not as bad as mcu movies now. 2. it is not subject to opinion. there are actual film making facts that can back up a better film. X2 is better than winter solider and black panther because it is a more compelling film, deeper themes, better directed, better stand out cgi moments, stronger main characters including heroes and villains. Also why will any xmen fan like black panther over X2? There is nothing in the xmen lore to support that, if there is. please tell us. if you say it is opinon, notice you don't have reason. I have reason for saying X2 is better than every mcu movie and I can back it up. 3. major criticism of X3 was it was superficial like MCU movies are now and lacked real story telling compared to X2 and X1. X3 for Xmen is like infifnty war. 4. how did they make LOTR and Star Wars 4-6 with lots of CGI? Iron Man saved Robert Downey Jr.'s career and launched a successful film franchise that continues to this day 10 years later and is still going strong. Nobody cared about Iron Man before that film and now it's a household name and a recognized part of our pop culture. How exactly is that forgettable? OK, so you liked X2 more than Black Panther and Winter Soldier. Others don't. Opinions don't always require reasoning. Someone can just say they like something more than something else. See, that's how opinions work. Yes, that's your reason NOW for liking X3 more than the MCU. But back in 2006 the MCU didn't exist. The reasoning for the film's criticism and failure back then had nothing to do with the MCU. Um...LOTR did use a lot of CGI. Pretty hard to miss actually. CGI didn't really exist back when the original Star Wars trilogy was made. They did use the tools available to them at the time though, including people dressed as little teddy bears. That’s completely untrue. Demon in The Bottle? Civil War? Ultimate Iron Man?
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Post by bud47 on Oct 26, 2018 13:41:26 GMT
Iron Man saved Robert Downey Jr.'s career and launched a successful film franchise that continues to this day 10 years later and is still going strong. Nobody cared about Iron Man before that film and now it's a household name and a recognized part of our pop culture. How exactly is that forgettable? OK, so you liked X2 more than Black Panther and Winter Soldier. Others don't. Opinions don't always require reasoning. Someone can just say they like something more than something else. See, that's how opinions work. Yes, that's your reason NOW for liking X3 more than the MCU. But back in 2006 the MCU didn't exist. The reasoning for the film's criticism and failure back then had nothing to do with the MCU. Um...LOTR did use a lot of CGI. Pretty hard to miss actually. CGI didn't really exist back when the original Star Wars trilogy was made. They did use the tools available to them at the time though, including people dressed as little teddy bears. That’s completely untrue. Demon in The Bottle? Civil War? Ultimate Iron Man? Maybe among comic book fans. But everyone else?
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Post by bud47 on Oct 26, 2018 16:31:08 GMT
Unlike with you, the opinions of others don't require validation or explanation. If a person wants to call Howard The Duck the greatest film of all time, that's their opinion. A person shouldn't have to explain why. That's their right. Do you just really need people to agree with you? Let it go. back to the topic with the generic story arc of black panther that felt more like thor 1 than xmen first class on the compelling angle of magneto/xavier. how will mcu xmen handle that? or will they just race bend xavier and magneto and race bait about it as a faux way to hype their comedy childish xmen up?
How is Black Panther like the first Thor film and how exactly was it generic? The Magneto/Xavier conflict has been done to death on film. Hopefully, the MCU will avoid it and give us something that we haven't seen yet instead of retreading old ground, which is Fox's specialty. I really can't see them changing the races of Xavier and Magneto. They could have already done this with Spider-Man, yet they chose to stick with the classic Peter Parker instead of going with Miles Morales. The only hype an MCU X-Men film needs is the knowledge that it's no longer a Fox product.
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2018 16:50:06 GMT
It’s completely absent in X2 and X3. They don’t even interact in those films. And Xavier was an underdeveloped prop in the original trilogy instead of an actual character. He gets taken out really early in all three of them. So to say that takes away attention from the other X-Men isn’t true. I mean, do you seriously believe that gets more screentime than Storm in X3? It's done in X-men 3 through each of them vying for Jean Grey and their different stances there. In X-Men 2 the conflict and different sides is done there too mainly with Pyro. Xavier wasn't in X-Men 3 more than Storm but... www.imdb.com/list/ls021989213/Xavier was in X-Men more than Cyclops, Storm and almost as much as Jean Grey. Xavier was in X-Men 2 more than anyone but Wolverine. Xavier was in X-Men 3 more than Beast, Iceman, Rogue, Angel, Shadow Cat and Cyclops. Xavier was in First Class more than any of the X-Men. Xavier was in Days of Future Past more than any of the X-Men including Wolverine. Xavier was in Apocalypse more than any of the X-Men. He has too much focus in these movies. He is not even an X-Men yet these last few movies have revolved around him. This is like Nick Fury being the star of all of The Avengers movies.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 26, 2018 23:23:01 GMT
It’s completely absent in X2 and X3. They don’t even interact in those films. And Xavier was an underdeveloped prop in the original trilogy instead of an actual character. He gets taken out really early in all three of them. So to say that takes away attention from the other X-Men isn’t true. I mean, do you seriously believe that gets more screentime than Storm in X3? It's done in X-men 3 through each of them vying for Jean Grey and their different stances there. In X-Men 2 the conflict and different sides is done there too mainly with Pyro. Xavier wasn't in X-Men 3 more than Storm but... www.imdb.com/list/ls021989213/Xavier was in X-Men more than Cyclops, Storm and almost as much as Jean Grey. Xavier was in X-Men 2 more than anyone but Wolverine. Xavier was in X-Men 3 more than Beast, Iceman, Rogue, Angel, Shadow Cat and Cyclops. Xavier was in First Class more than any of the X-Men. Xavier was in Days of Future Past more than any of the X-Men including Wolverine. Xavier was in Apocalypse more than any of the X-Men. He has too much focus in these movies. He is not even an X-Men yet these last few movies have revolved around him. This is like Nick Fury being the star of all of The Avengers movies. The situation with Jean wasn’t about their philosophy of mutant relations but just about wheather or not Jean’s power should be controlled or not. Nick Fury isn’t the leader of the Avengers like Xavier is for the X-Men though. Fury was just the guy who came up with the idea for the Avengers and got them together. He doesn’t train or lead the team, Captain America does that. While Xavier houses, trains, gives orders to the X-Men, and sometimes even fights beside them. Xavier is very intimate with the X-Men and that is signified by the fact that the team is named after him. He is the heart and soul of the X-Men, while Fury was just the sponsor for the Avengers. You can’t really compare the two.
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Post by scabab on Oct 27, 2018 0:10:16 GMT
Nick Fury isn’t the leader of the Avengers like Xavier is for the X-Men though. Fury was just the guy who came up with the idea for the Avengers and got them together. He doesn’t train or lead the team, Captain America does that. While Xavier houses, trains, gives orders to the X-Men, and sometimes even fights beside them. Xavier is very intimate with the X-Men and that is signified by the fact that the team is named after him. He is the heart and soul of the X-Men, while Fury was just the sponsor for the Avengers. You can’t really compare the two. Professor X isn't the equivalent of Captain America though. He takes a back seat approach while the other X-Men are out there saving the day. Cyclops is the equivalent of Captain America, he leads the team on mission. Yet he's done very little in the movies. They got it right in the first movie. Professor X stayed at the mansion and when the X-Men went out like to the Statue of Liberty it was just the X-Men. That's what they need to be doing. Professor X has been overdone and Magneto especially. They need to focus on the actual team, Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Iceman, Colossus etc These movies have either been too dependant on Wolverine or Professor X. It needs to be more like The Avengers where it's balanced out more between the team. Either way Professor X and Magneto in the same movie arguing over their views has become repetitive as hell. Magneto didn't need to be in Apocalypse or this movie.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 27, 2018 1:41:36 GMT
Nick Fury isn’t the leader of the Avengers like Xavier is for the X-Men though. Fury was just the guy who came up with the idea for the Avengers and got them together. He doesn’t train or lead the team, Captain America does that. While Xavier houses, trains, gives orders to the X-Men, and sometimes even fights beside them. Xavier is very intimate with the X-Men and that is signified by the fact that the team is named after him. He is the heart and soul of the X-Men, while Fury was just the sponsor for the Avengers. You can’t really compare the two. Professor X isn't the equivalent of Captain America though. He takes a back seat approach while the other X-Men are out there saving the day. Cyclops is the equivalent of Captain America, he leads the team on mission. Yet he's done very little in the movies. They got it right in the first movie. Professor X stayed at the mansion and when the X-Men went out like to the Statue of Liberty it was just the X-Men. That's what they need to be doing. Professor X has been overdone and Magneto especially. They need to focus on the actual team, Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Iceman, Colossus etc These movies have either been too dependant on Wolverine or Professor X. It needs to be more like The Avengers where it's balanced out more between the team. Either way Professor X and Magneto in the same movie arguing over their views has become repetitive as hell. Magneto didn't need to be in Apocalypse or this movie. Xavier does not always take a backseat, especially in the earlier days of the X-Men where he would use Cerebro to astral project himself on the field with the X-Men and lead them in battle as shown in the very first issue of the series. Cyclops didn’t become co-leader until a few issues later and the team didn’t become independent of Xavier until he faked his death in issue 42. Even after that Xavier still aided them in battle via astral projection on occasions like in issue 184, where the X-Men were getting overwhelmed by Selene and Xavier had to step in to save the day. Cyclops is the equivalent of Janet Van Dyne/Wasp. Both who became co-leader and eventually rised to chief-leader status of their respective teams. When Xavier takes a backseat he is usually just not available or incapacitated in some way. This is even the case in the first X-Men film where he only stayed at the mansion because he was unconscious. Recently Marvel took Xavier off the board by making him more or less a villain. By having him enslave a sentient machine to be used as the danger room and hide the fact that Cyclops had another brother who he got killed. Which resulted in the X-Men kicking him off his own team. He kinda overshadows Cyclops and Storm when he’s around. Apocalypse was meant to wrap up the First Class storyline. DOFP left loose ends with Magneto, foreshadowing that he and Xavier will become friends again. So him being there was absolutely needed.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 27, 2018 6:50:21 GMT
That’s completely untrue. Demon in The Bottle? Civil War? Ultimate Iron Man? Maybe among comic book fans. But everyone else? among comic book fans
the same comic fans who are embarrassed to see what the genre had become? so when a film like logan comes along we hold so dear.
we know mcu fans are not comic fans. how many times has these been proven.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 27, 2018 6:59:10 GMT
Maybe among comic book fans. But everyone else? among comic book fans
the same comic fans who are embarrassed to see what the genre had become? so when a film like logan comes along we hold so dear.
we know mcu fans are not comic fans. how many times has these been proven.
So you’re saying they’re factual theories?
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Post by summers8 on Oct 27, 2018 7:01:15 GMT
I just realised something.
on the dc forum, thatguy said he hopes SS2 will have dance offs.
now bud47 is now saying he hopes xmen will have dance offs too
LMAO...The socks are so thin.
seriously this mcu fans are running out if ideas even with their sock accounts.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 27, 2018 7:02:28 GMT
among comic book fans
the same comic fans who are embarrassed to see what the genre had become? so when a film like logan comes along we hold so dear.
we know mcu fans are not comic fans. how many times has these been proven.
So you’re saying they’re factual theories? factually many comic fans are quite embarrassed about what the genre is today.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 27, 2018 7:03:25 GMT
So you’re saying they’re factual theories? factually many comic fans are quite embarrassed about what the genre is today. Yep factual theories.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 28, 2018 5:10:34 GMT
So you’re saying they’re factual theories? factually many comic fans are quite embarrassed about what the genre is today. Alright, I'll bite. Let's see the proof of these facts, shall we.
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