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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 25, 2018 19:46:45 GMT
Was the point of this thread to discredit Black Panther if it won an Oscar? If it doesn't win an award then Marvel sucks for not winning it. But if they do win, then it was a head pat? Welcome to what it feels like to be a DCEU fan. Now you know.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 19:54:13 GMT
I don't think it would be funny OR sad if Black Panther had won the "Popular Movie" category. I think it would have absolutely won that. Since they never instituted that category we'll never know.
But the more important issue is that the "Popular Movie" category is unnecessary. The regular Best Film category already has slots for up to ten movies! Cant they just stick BP in there as the 9th or 10th? Duh. Problem solved. it would have been worse because we know the category is and always a sham. also it wont have won that either since you would have had other movies like mission impossible and possibly fantastic beast 2. no way it could possibly win fairly over those movies in an already sham category created by disney-abc.
the problem is, will this be a conversation if the cast was not black and the film not hyped up by the media? logic tells us we have had better comic films.
logan and tdk was pure art recognition. black panther is not. that is a sham in itself alone.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 19:55:51 GMT
Was the point of this thread to discredit Black Panther if it won an Oscar? If it doesn't win an award then Marvel sucks for not winning it. But if they do win, then it was a head pat? Welcome to what it feels like to be a DCEU fan. Now you know. DCEU fan already had TDK. Wonder woman was just something we did for fun and to play it.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 25, 2018 19:57:57 GMT
I really wish they would go all out with the Black Panther thing.
"Live from Wakanda, it's the Academy Awards"
They could have the envelopes being guarded by Wakandan spear men.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 25, 2018 20:27:49 GMT
I really wish they would go all out with the Black Panther thing. "Live from Wakanda, it's the Academy Awards"They could have the envelopes being guarded by Wakandan spear men. wont they use vibranium? afterall it solves and creates anything and everything they want.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 25, 2018 20:45:26 GMT
wont they use vibranium? afterall it solves and creates anything and everything they want. Right. The Oscars will be made from it. And shouldnt Thanos be there? You would think his vote would count a lot...
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 25, 2018 21:43:39 GMT
Welcome to what it feels like to be a DCEU fan. Now you know. DCEU fan already had TDK. Wonder woman was just something we did for fun and to play it.
TDK is not DCEU. The DCEU is the Snyder-verse.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 25, 2018 21:44:46 GMT
Was the point of this thread to discredit Black Panther if it won an Oscar? If it doesn't win an award then Marvel sucks for not winning it. But if they do win, then it was a head pat? Welcome to what it feels like to be a DCEU fan. Now you know. You mean for Wonder Woman? Or the one that Suicide Squad got?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 21:51:43 GMT
Welcome to what it feels like to be a DCEU fan. Now you know. DCEU fan already had TDK. Wonder woman was just something we did for fun and to play it.
No way. The DCEU as far as I know is the ongoing continuity between Man of Steel, Batman V Superman, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Justice League. Christopher Nolan's trilogy and other DC movies like Green Lantern, Superman Returns, yada and so forth aren't apart of that anymore than the X-Men or Blade movies are part of the MCU.
At least that's why I think they're bad. The DCEU movies, save for Wonder Woman (and sometimes Man of Steel) are undernourished, but that doesn't reflect on DC itself or any of the other DC comic movies. Just that one movie universe that's propped up by those 5, with a couple of on the fence movies and one genuine slam dunk (Wonder Woman, in my opinion).
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 26, 2018 14:27:46 GMT
Welcome to what it feels like to be a DCEU fan. Now you know. You mean for Wonder Woman? Or the one that Suicide Squad got? Both I guess. Also I remember that when Justice League came out some of the critics were saying that the movie was an improvement over previous DCEU efforts in that it was lighter in tone and had some comedy, to which a lot of people responded "OH, so its like a Marvel movie then!" As if to take credit for it because its more Marvel-ized.
The same has been said about the Batman character- that he's the one DC character thats like a Marvel character. Again as if to take credit by insinuating that it's like Marvel. Whenever something does poorly its because DC sucks. But when it does well its because "well its like Marvel!"
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2018 15:04:57 GMT
You mean for Wonder Woman? Or the one that Suicide Squad got? Both I guess. Also I remember that when Justice League came out some of the critics were saying that the movie was an improvement over previous DCEU efforts in that it was lighter in tone and had some comedy, to which a lot of people responded "OH, so its like a Marvel movie then!" As if to take credit for it because its more Marvel-ized.
The same has been said about the Batman character- that he's the one DC character thats like a Marvel character. Again as if to take credit by insinuating that it's like Marvel. Whenever something does poorly its because DC sucks. But when it does well its because "well its like Marvel!"
And yet, those same MCU fans who always try to claim that Wonder Woman is like an MCU movie still refuse to admit that most MCU movies are like Superman: The Movie. Even MCU Dictator Kevin Feige has admitted that MCU copies most of their movies from Superman: The Movie. So what I've said may times before is true. Without Superman: The Movie, there would be no Avengers movies and no MCU.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 26, 2018 17:06:57 GMT
Both I guess. Also I remember that when Justice League came out some of the critics were saying that the movie was an improvement over previous DCEU efforts in that it was lighter in tone and had some comedy, to which a lot of people responded "OH, so its like a Marvel movie then!" As if to take credit for it because its more Marvel-ized.
The same has been said about the Batman character- that he's the one DC character thats like a Marvel character. Again as if to take credit by insinuating that it's like Marvel. Whenever something does poorly its because DC sucks. But when it does well its because "well its like Marvel!"
And yet, those same MCU fans who always try to claim that Wonder Woman is like an MCU movie still refuse to admit that most MCU movies are like Superman: The Movie. Even MCU Dictator Kevin Feige has admitted that MCU copies most of their movies from Superman: The Movie. So what I've said may times before is true. Without Superman: The Movie, there would be no Avengers movies and no MCU. Actually there would be Avengers movies and there would be an MCU. Just because they took inspiration from it doesn't mean they had to.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 27, 2018 0:31:18 GMT
And yet, those same MCU fans who always try to claim that Wonder Woman is like an MCU movie still refuse to admit that most MCU movies are like Superman: The Movie. Even MCU Dictator Kevin Feige has admitted that MCU copies most of their movies from Superman: The Movie. So what I've said may times before is true. Without Superman: The Movie, there would be no Avengers movies and no MCU. Actually there would be Avengers movies and there would be an MCU. Just because they took inspiration from it doesn't mean they had to. No, without Superman: The Movie, the Avengers movies would all be just low-budget movies like the 3 Punisher movies and there would be no MCU. That's how it was before 1978. Prior to Superman: The Movie, superhero movies were just low-budget serial movies because no one thought a big-budget superhero movie could be successful so no movie studio was willing to spend a lot of money to make a big-budget superhero movie. It's similar to how, after Elektra in 2005, there wasn't another female-led superhero movie for over a decade because no one thought there would be enough of an audience for a female-led superhero movie so no studio, including MCU for 10 years, was willing to spend money to make a female-led superhero movie, until Wonder Woman showed that female-led superhero movies can be successful. And now, there are more female-led superhero movies that have been announced or being planned. And similarly, Superman: The Movie showed that a big-budget superhero movie could be successful and basically created the genre of big-budget superhero movies. So without Superman: The Movie, there would be no MCU.
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2018 9:27:23 GMT
Actually there would be Avengers movies and there would be an MCU. Just because they took inspiration from it doesn't mean they had to. No, without Superman: The Movie, the Avengers movies would all be just low-budget movies like the 3 Punisher movies and there would be no MCU. That's how it was before 1978. Prior to Superman: The Movie, superhero movies were just low-budget serial movies because no one thought a big-budget superhero movie could be successful so no movie studio was willing to spend a lot of money to make a big-budget superhero movie. It's similar to how, after Elektra in 2005, there wasn't another female-led superhero movie for over a decade because no one thought there would be enough of an audience for a female-led superhero movie so no studio, including MCU for 10 years, was willing to spend money to make a female-led superhero movie, until Wonder Woman showed that female-led superhero movies can be successful. And now, there are more female-led superhero movies that have been announced or being planned. And similarly, Superman: The Movie showed that a big-budget superhero movie could be successful and basically created the genre of big-budget superhero movies. So without Superman: The Movie, there would be no MCU. Well a broken clock is right twice a day, so by law of averages you are bound to not spout just inane bullshit all the time, most of the time yes, all of the time eh close but not quite, but trust you to even when you do say something right you then fuck it up.
Superman may have been the original big budget feature superhero film but that's not to say without it there would never have been others, the fact that Superman stood alone in that space for over a decade until Batman also got a movie, which came off the back of the Batman resurgence in the mid 80's, not the success of the Superman films which had quickly dwindled into shoestring budget films just about recouping their expenses in less than a decade.
Without Superman the foundation of the comic book blockbuster would not be what it is today, doesn't mean it wouldn't exist however, and it's never just one thing Elektra wasn't the only reason we didn't get a female led cbm for a decade it was just the final straw after the two prior attempts that failed to land with Supergirl & Catwoman.
The modern CBM owes it's success to many films, Superman for being the first, Batman for being the resurgence, Blade & X-Men for saving the genre after Batman & Robin almost killed it, Spider-Man for showing just how much potential the genre held, The Dark Knight for raising that bar then Avengers for raising it even higher and showing us what a shared universe if done right can culminate in, all these things build on one another, but also are just as important, Superman could have come out had it's run same with Batman but had we not got Blade & X-Men maybe that's where the genre dies, everything fucks with and helps out everything else, it's just how shit goes.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 27, 2018 10:03:47 GMT
most MCU movies are like Superman: The Movie. Since you hold Superman:The Movie in such high regard, that’s quite the compliment! What’s remarkable is how the S:TM series immediately descended into camp/crap territory while the MCU has been able to maintain a high standard for so long. We have Kevin Feige to thank for that. If only Kevin Feige had been in charge of the original Superman series. We’d have got a true superhero Renaissance back in the ‘70s & ‘80s, instead of a one hit wonder followed by some of the worse superhero drek to ever grace the big screen ... which, in turn, poisoned the superhero movie landscape for a decade. The damage the original Superman series did to the genre is incalculable. Without the proper guidance, these things tend to run off the rails after a couple movies. S:TM series Tim Burton Batman series Sam Rami Spiderman series Some crash and burn, right out of the gate. The DCEU
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2018 11:18:59 GMT
Actually there would be Avengers movies and there would be an MCU. Just because they took inspiration from it doesn't mean they had to. No, without Superman: The Movie, the Avengers movies would all be just low-budget movies like the 3 Punisher movies and there would be no MCU. That's how it was before 1978. Prior to Superman: The Movie, superhero movies were just low-budget serial movies because no one thought a big-budget superhero movie could be successful so no movie studio was willing to spend a lot of money to make a big-budget superhero movie. It's similar to how, after Elektra in 2005, there wasn't another female-led superhero movie for over a decade because no one thought there would be enough of an audience for a female-led superhero movie so no studio, including MCU for 10 years, was willing to spend money to make a female-led superhero movie, until Wonder Woman showed that female-led superhero movies can be successful. And now, there are more female-led superhero movies that have been announced or being planned. And similarly, Superman: The Movie showed that a big-budget superhero movie could be successful and basically created the genre of big-budget superhero movies. So without Superman: The Movie, there would be no MCU. There are plenty of movies that the MCU could take inspiration from. The Matrix for one (X-men). Also, Superman might have been the 1st superhero big budget blockbuster, but it was the 1st blockbuster (Jaws and even Star Wars was before that). The thing you don't get is that people can and do take inspiration from movies outside of that genre. That's why the MCU isn't pegged down to one genre and that's why it works.
What other big budget superhero movie came out after Superman: The Movie? It didn't start something big immediately. If anything, it was an experiment that didn't pay off. There was no rise of the big budget superhero blockbuster after Superman '78. They all went low budget after it. Like dazz said, it was Batman '89 that did it. When they say that they take inspiration from Superman '78, it's mostly the structure and tone of the movie.
There are way more female led comic book movies out before Elektra and they all were bad because the studios had no faith in them. Supergirl being the main one. Barbwire, Catwoman, Tank Girl... And Wonder Woman had Chris Pine to lead the movie. WB/DC wasn't gonna let Gal Gadot lead that movie.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 27, 2018 13:29:01 GMT
No, without Superman: The Movie, the Avengers movies would all be just low-budget movies like the 3 Punisher movies and there would be no MCU. That's how it was before 1978. Prior to Superman: The Movie, superhero movies were just low-budget serial movies because no one thought a big-budget superhero movie could be successful so no movie studio was willing to spend a lot of money to make a big-budget superhero movie. It's similar to how, after Elektra in 2005, there wasn't another female-led superhero movie for over a decade because no one thought there would be enough of an audience for a female-led superhero movie so no studio, including MCU for 10 years, was willing to spend money to make a female-led superhero movie, until Wonder Woman showed that female-led superhero movies can be successful. And now, there are more female-led superhero movies that have been announced or being planned. And similarly, Superman: The Movie showed that a big-budget superhero movie could be successful and basically created the genre of big-budget superhero movies. So without Superman: The Movie, there would be no MCU. Well a broken clock is right twice a day, so by law of averages you are bound to not spout just inane bullshit all the time, most of the time yes, all of the time eh close but not quite, but trust you to even when you do say something right you then fuck it up.
Superman may have been the original big budget feature superhero film but that's not to say without it there would never have been others, the fact that Superman stood alone in that space for over a decade until Batman also got a movie, which came off the back of the Batman resurgence in the mid 80's, not the success of the Superman films which had quickly dwindled into shoestring budget films just about recouping their expenses in less than a decade.
Without Superman the foundation of the comic book blockbuster would not be what it is today, doesn't mean it wouldn't exist however, and it's never just one thing Elektra wasn't the only reason we didn't get a female led cbm for a decade it was just the final straw after the two prior attempts that failed to land with Supergirl & Catwoman.
The modern CBM owes it's success to many films, Superman for being the first, Batman for being the resurgence, Blade & X-Men for saving the genre after Batman & Robin almost killed it, Spider-Man for showing just how much potential the genre held, The Dark Knight for raising that bar then Avengers for raising it even higher and showing us what a shared universe if done right can culminate in, all these things build on one another, but also are just as important, Superman could have come out had it's run same with Batman but had we not got Blade & X-Men maybe that's where the genre dies, everything fucks with and helps out everything else, it's just how shit goes.
avengers raised the bar higher? than TDK ? please what are u smoking.
avengers lowered the bar. once you remove the cross over effect, there is nothing in the film. its a near 3 hour toy commercial.
the genre is sort of dead again when you really thing about it. a film like logan had to more than distance itself from the crap we have know to even get the Oscar recognition it got.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 27, 2018 15:13:32 GMT
So what's more pathetic:
-- how much McMarvel zombies want the MCU to win an Oscar even though they're meaningless
-- how Disney tried to invent an entire category just so its middling cringe trash can be given a fake Oscar that's even MORE meaningless than a real one (see above)
I say: the second one!!!1
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Post by damngumby on Oct 27, 2018 15:38:12 GMT
Dimensional analysis. They teach it in high school. Well, ok ... they don’t teach it in shop class.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2018 15:43:25 GMT
So what's more pathetic: -- how much McMarvel zombies want the MCU to win an Oscar even though they're meaningless -- how Disney tried to invent an entire category just so its middling cringe trash can be given a fake Oscar that's even MORE meaningless than a real one (see above) I say: the second one!!!1 Nobody actually cares if any movie in the MCU wins an Oscar. It doesn't make watching the movies better if it did. It's only you guys that care if does or doesn't win. Like it would hurt your feelings.
Disney didn't want that category. It was the Academy that made that up to get more viewership because they thought it they should get something for movies people watched. Why do you think it disappeared as soon as it was brought up?
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