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Post by Aj_June on Oct 27, 2018 10:27:39 GMT
Good thing is that the culture is dying out. Below 20% in Europe now. Probably less than that if you exclude Muslim and Jewish Europeans from the data.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 14:52:55 GMT
It's also very creepy, that mother's would allow this practice to be done to their sons, because it is what they like better. How perverted and creepy. Were they planning on getting it on with their sons at some stage? They would scream blue murder if it was something that was happening to their own gender. Ignorant fools! My parents were both enrolled nurses at the time of my birth, in rural Victoria, in Australia, in 1968. As such, they would've both had a high level of experience with the negative issues that can accompany an uncircumcised penis.
It can become damaged through accident or injury and require removal later in life, which is far more painful than having it done as an infant. It can lead to issues of cleanliness and hygiene if it is not properly cleaned and maintained. It can also lead to social issues when the child begins to attend school, which can lead to the child becoming a social pariah.
I'd imagine my parents discussed the subject briefly but decided to have the procedure done without any fuss. In fact, I'd be very surprised if they weren't both present at the time. Or at least I expect my father was, as my mother may have still been recovering from the life threatening injuries and illness she suffered after my birth. In turn, my ex and I also decided to have my son circumcised when he was born. Like grandfather, like father, like son.
And I'd just like to say that your assumption my late mother was creepy, perverted and an ignorant fool has been noted.
Well, there's nothing at all creepy about a superhero with the head of a penis as his symbol. That really should tell you who the authority on perverted and creepy is...
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 27, 2018 15:03:34 GMT
My parents were both enrolled nurses at the time of my birth, in rural Victoria, in Australia, in 1968. As such, they would've both had a high level of experience with the negative issues that can accompany an uncircumcised penis.
It can become damaged through accident or injury and require removal later in life, which is far more painful than having it done as an infant. It can lead to issues of cleanliness and hygiene if it is not properly cleaned and maintained. It can also lead to social issues when the child begins to attend school, which can lead to the child becoming a social pariah.
I'd imagine my parents discussed the subject briefly but decided to have the procedure done without any fuss. In fact, I'd be very surprised if they weren't both present at the time. Or at least I expect my father was, as my mother may have still been recovering from the life threatening injuries and illness she suffered after my birth. In turn, my ex and I also decided to have my son circumcised when he was born. Like grandfather, like father, like son.
And I'd just like to say that your assumption my late mother was creepy, perverted and an ignorant fool has been noted.
I have to say this Ant, but your reasoning behind circumcision is a tad absurd.
Unless you know of a life with an uncut dick, I guess circumcised males who had the decision made for them are just pissing in the wind.
I didn't\don't know your mother, was she?
1. It doesn't change the fact that what I relayed were events and experiences that my parents witnessed as frontline medical personal, both before and after I was born in 1968 and what I personally witnessed as a school student attending a variety of different primary schools around Australia during the 1970s.
2. I've enjoyed an active and full sex life in my time and I certainly wouldn't change the fact that I'm circumcised.
3. Was she what?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 27, 2018 15:27:37 GMT
If a girl says you should get circumsized,... ...send her over to me; I already am. LOL!
heh heh heh, I make the jokes...
But I am
PresidentofChad
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 0:33:16 GMT
1. It doesn't change the fact that what I relayed were events and experiences that my parents witnessed as frontline medical personal, both before and after I was born in 1968 and what I personally witnessed as a school student attending a variety of different primary schools around Australia during the 1970s.
2. I've enjoyed an active and full sex life in my time and I certainly wouldn't change the fact that I'm circumcised.
3. Was she what?
Your facts are asinine and I'm sorry that you weren't given the choice to make for yourself, and I am also saddened that you didn't allow this same courtesy to be bestowed upon your son. Obstinate fool!
You tell me, she's your mother.
1. Those facts are what happened. They are reality. If you have trouble dealing with reality, that's down to you.
I'm grateful that a half century ago, my parents had my welfare and potential future health at heart and had the foresight to make the decision they did. I'm not sorry and I've certainly never complained about it.
For that same reason, a quarter century ago, my ex and I had the foresight to make the same decision for the welfare and potential future health of my son. And he's never complained about it either.
Your immaturity and infantile spitefulness do you no credit. You need to grow up and accept not everyone is going to share all the same opinions and perspectives that you do.
2. Tell you what?
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 0:36:33 GMT
My parents were both enrolled nurses at the time of my birth, in rural Victoria, in Australia, in 1968. As such, they would've both had a high level of experience with the negative issues that can accompany an uncircumcised penis.
It can become damaged through accident or injury and require removal later in life, which is far more painful than having it done as an infant. It can lead to issues of cleanliness and hygiene if it is not properly cleaned and maintained. It can also lead to social issues when the child begins to attend school, which can lead to the child becoming a social pariah.
I'd imagine my parents discussed the subject briefly but decided to have the procedure done without any fuss. In fact, I'd be very surprised if they weren't both present at the time. Or at least I expect my father was, as my mother may have still been recovering from the life threatening injuries and illness she suffered after my birth. In turn, my ex and I also decided to have my son circumcised when he was born. Like grandfather, like father, like son.
And I'd just like to say that your assumption my late mother was creepy, perverted and an ignorant fool has been noted.
Well, there's nothing at all creepy about a superhero with the head of a penis as his symbol. That really should tell you who the authority on perverted and creepy is... I know one thing for sure...
That superhero's not the only dick currently in this thread.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 0:47:38 GMT
1. Those facts are what happened. They are reality. If you have trouble dealing with reality, that's down to you.
I'm grateful that a half century ago, my parents had my welfare and potential future health at heart and had the foresight to make the decision they did. I'm not sorry and I've certainly never complained about it.
For that same reason, a quarter century ago, my ex and I had the foresight to make the same decision for the welfare and potential future health of my son. And he's never complained about it either.
Your immaturity and infantile spitefulness do you no credit. You need to grow up and accept not everyone is going to share all the same opinions and perspectives that you do.
2. Tell you what?
If you want to endorse and justify your own ignorance and denial, go right ahead. That is yours to deal with not mine. And Ant, you don't appear to have much foresight on this topic, because you don't have a foreskin, it was taken away from you without your consent, and you took your son's away as well due to your own lack of foresight, so get your head out of your ass.
1. It seems to me that's exactly what you're doing. Certainly, you've displayed a denial of common sense and a great deal of general ignorance so far.
2. The decisions that were made on my behalf and my son's behalf were made with our best interests in mind. The fact that you're intellectually incapable of appreciating that fact is your problem to deal with, not mine.
3. I'd also suggest that you remove your head from your arse, but I suspect you enjoy the present view.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 0:48:44 GMT
I know one thing for sure...
That superhero's not the only dick currently in this thread.
Are you talking about yourself again Ant?
I couldn't possibly compete against your own self-centred self-importance.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 1:23:09 GMT
1. It seems to me that's exactly what you're doing. Certainly, you've displayed a denial of common sense and a great deal of general ignorance so far.
2. The decisions that were made on my behalf and my son's behalf were made with our best interests in mind. The fact that you're intellectually incapable of appreciating that fact is your problem to deal with, not mine.
3. I'd also suggest that you remove your head from your arse, but I suspect you enjoy the present view.
This is your argument Ant:
It can become damaged through accident or injury and require removal later in life, which is far more painful than having it done as an infant. It can lead to issues of cleanliness and hygiene if it is not properly cleaned and maintained. It can also lead to social issues when the child begins to attend school, which can lead to the child becoming a social pariah. a) How can it become damaged and what accidents and injuries are you referring too?
b) Since you don't have a foreskin, why are speaking for males that do and DO know about personal hygiene and have self-awareness about their own cleanliness? You do realize that circumcised dicks are a minority in the world and as time progresses, they will continue to be on? c)What social issues? By that flip side of that coin, are you saying that a circumcised boy who is a minority amongst uncut boys, does he then become a social pariah?
If you can bring up some intellectually stimulating argument using common sense, then I perhaps might just give you some credence.
1. Sporting injuries are probably the most common. However, there are many other types of accidents that can also cause damage.
A few examples include catching the skin in the metal teeth of a zipper, a bicycle or motorcycle accident, a mishap during sex and so on and so forth.
2. I was simply relaying evidence that was provided to me by practising medical personal who had years of experience dealing with patients suffering from such ailments.
I have not been addressing potential future circumstances. I have only been addressing actual situations that occurred a quarter century or further back into the past.
3. Bullying and social exclusion. This is normally caused or inspired by difference. Whether it be someone who acted different, looked different, dressed different or was considered to deviate from the norm in some noticeable way. A trip to the boys toilet at recess or lunch time was all it took.
Unfortunately, during the period I attended both primary and secondary school in Australia, such issues were rampant. As I travelled around Australia extensively as a young child, I was also not immune from the effects of bullying.
I never personally experienced a situation where a circumcised boy was outnumbered by uncircumcised boys. Only the reverse.
I do not need to be intellectually stimulating. I simply need to be honest and accurate with the information I relay to you and other posters on this thread. If you need to be constantly stimulated to maintain interest in a topic, you might wish to reconsider your participation in this conversation.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 1:25:55 GMT
I couldn't possibly compete against your own self-centred self-importance. Well, when dealing with pigheadedness, it is sometimes necessary to come across as self-centred and self-important, to match the same energy. Some may not understand any other language. Displaying abusive and insulting behaviour will earn you little variation in responses.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 1:57:36 GMT
1. Sporting injuries are probably the most common. However, there are many other types of accidents that can also cause damage.
A few examples include catching the skin in the metal teeth of a zipper, a bicycle or motorcycle accident, a mishap during sex and so on and so forth.
2. I was simply relaying evidence that was provided to me by practising medical personal who had years of experience dealing with patients suffering from such ailments.
I have not been addressing potential future circumstances. I have only been addressing actual situations that occurred a quarter century or further back into the past.
3. Bullying and social exclusion. This is normally caused or inspired by difference. Whether it be someone who acted different, looked different, dressed different or was considered to deviate from the norm in some noticeable way. A trip to the boys toilet at recess or lunch time was all it took.
Unfortunately, during the period I attended both primary and secondary school in Australia, such issues were rampant. As I travelled around Australia extensively as a young child, I was also not immune from the effects of bullying.
I never personally experienced a situation where a circumcised boy was outnumbered by uncircumcised boys. Only the reverse.
I do not need to be intellectually stimulating. I simply need to be honest and accurate with the information I relay to you and other posters on this thread. If you need to be constantly stimulated to maintain interest in a topic, you might wish to reconsider your participation in this conversation.
The thing is though Ant, I don't find your argument stimulating, just inane. You have been conditioned and brainwashed by medical propaganda from an era bygone. That is just the way it was, but see the forest for the trees why dontcha! Kids got teased for a number of things and your argument just doesn't wash, pun intended. If a kid is going to get bullied, tough s<>t and grow some balls.
The medical establishment in the US started to make MGM routine around WWII. This practice then spread to South Africa and Australia and NZ, which your\my generation was a part off. I don't know about the Southern hemisphere, but in the US, it was performed for fiscal gain as well and also to pander to the Jewish custom. It has now stopped becoming common practice and apparently in Germany, it is outlawed, but of course religions get pandered too, because it is an offering to God.
Mutilating a baby boys penis for whatever reason—and my common sense reasoning is simple, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT—is vile, repulsive and barbaric. It is a form of sick perverted violence and takes away the basic human right of choice. All the s<>t that gets peddled about hygiene and STD's is a load of crap. There are always exceptions to a rule and yes, there can be medical issues like phimosis, so then it may be a required procedure. Otherwise, the penis should be left whole and one and complete. That is the package.
It is only really common practice now within religious communities like Jewish and Muslim and also in the States for dubious fiscal reasons for the medical establishment. The vast majority of Europe, including the UK, Asia and South America have intact males. The majority of arguments for MGM are bogus and a fallacy.
1. No brainwashing or conditioning. I was simply made aware of the experiences of medical personal who had firsthand experience of such incidents and used this experience in their decision-making process. The fact that I'm not willing to let you brainwash or condition me to your way of thinking does not mean I succumbed to any other such phenomenon.
And not everyone can simply tough it out. Not everyone is like you. I've already pointed this fact out to you earlier.
2. All of your points in your second paragraph are irrelevant to what I've previously relayed to you.
3. It is not a load of crap. These issues have and do occur.
4. That is your opinion and you're welcome to it. However, you will not brainwash or condition me to share your opinion.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 1:59:18 GMT
Displaying abusive and insulting behaviour will earn you little variation in responses. Abusive, just like the act of circumcision. Are you precious ant? I guess you don't like being told the truth. I simply respond in kind.
If there's anyone acting "precious", it's you.
You simply can't tolerate the thought that there are people who think differently to you.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 2:15:03 GMT
1. No brainwashing or conditioning. I was simply made aware of the experiences of medical personal who had firsthand experience of such incidents and used this experience in their decision-making process. The fact that I'm not willing to let you brainwash or condition me to your way of thinking does not mean I succumbed to any other such phenomenon.
And not everyone can simply tough it out. Not everyone is like you. I've already pointed this fact out to you earlier.
2. All of your points in your second paragraph are irrelevant to what I've previously relayed to you.
3. It is not a load of crap. These issues have and do occur.
4. That is your opinion and you're welcome to it. However, you will not brainwash or condition me to share your opinion.
I have said all I need to say on this topic to you and your opinion, like the bogus propaganda you have bought into, for whatever self-serving and inflexible reasoning it was promoted, is wrong. If you can't see that, I won't hold it against you and overall you are an awesome poster\person on these boards regardless.
Bogus, inflexible and wrong sums up your approach to this discussion quite well.
There's always more than one opinion or perspective on any subject you care to name.
And the one that you hold may not always be the best or only alternative.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 2:15:41 GMT
I simply respond in kind.
If there's anyone acting "precious", it's you.
You simply can't tolerate the thought that there are people who think differently to you.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 2:17:45 GMT
Bogus, inflexible and wrong sums up your approach to this discussion quite well.
There's always more than one opinion or perspective on any subject you care to name.
And the one that you hold may not always be the best or only alternative.
If you say so ant. I believe I just did.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 2:18:35 GMT
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 2:23:52 GMT
Off the topic of MGM, it is always interesting that posters resort to the.."It's my opinion argument".. when it has been torn apart, or wasn't worth a pinch of salt to begin with. That's your opinion.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 2:24:34 GMT
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 28, 2018 2:28:23 GMT
A more civilized way to conduct a plain text interaction.
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