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Post by dazz on Oct 26, 2018 4:03:44 GMT
I have to say I am liking this so far, there isn't a mystery element this season so far for us atleast, seems they may have learned to stop trying to outthink us because they always make the obvious choice, Cicada maybe a mystery to the team but not us, his plan seems pretty straight forward, kill the meta's, and they are actually investing time to make you give a shit about the character, he's the villain sure but he's also somewhat sympathetic, ok it may only be a few episodes but im liking that Caitlyn has her own story and it's involving Ralph and in a way that isn't constant comic relief, some but not constant which is nice, I just hope the CW being as it is they don't try to parlay their teaming up into a romance thing, now if when she does get her powers back and Frost persona returns she and Ralphy have a night of icy karma sutra fun as a one off I wouldn't be opposed to it for the yucks of Caitlyn immediately regretting getting Frost back and a 1 episode silliness of Ralph acting love struck just to be cool with it being a 1 night stand, but I will probably be in the minority on that one.
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Post by BexxyJ on Oct 26, 2018 7:03:41 GMT
I think there is something suspicious about Nora. We saw the scene with her and Sherlock Wells and the look on her face at the end of the episode. Why do we have so many Nora’s on these shows?  Is it just a coincidence or is there a conspiracy going on and they are they working for a higher Nora? We have this Nora, Barry’s Mum, Nora Dark and Nora Fries is coming to Arrow. Something funny is going on here. |
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Post by dazz on Oct 26, 2018 8:53:30 GMT
I have a feeling Nora will meet Nora and they will become a dynamic duo of destruction uiintil Nora turns up they'll fight until Nora calls for Nora to help her which then lets Nora know that Nora is also called Nora she will then step out and say my name is Nora as well, then Nora & Nora will step out and Nora will tell Nora that Nora is also called Nora, and then Nora will thell the Nora's her grandmother was called Nora also and they will all hug and be best friends.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 11:41:22 GMT
I havent seen it yet but will shortly. I hear the Flash is back to form though
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Post by stargazer1682 on Oct 26, 2018 15:13:32 GMT
I might just be too cynical and jaded at this point; I think it's too early. I hope NuWells isn't going to keep that accent the whole season. I kept expecting, and still do, for them to realize he's such a huckster that he puts on his accent to sound more mysterious. I kind of hope it's Ralph who figures him out. I'm also a little annoyed with all the Wells(es?) being such multiverse experts; Harry knew all the ins and outs of how many universes there were, including a secret earth that no one visited, and now this one has "solved" the case of Cicada on numerous alternate earths.... They're kind of taking for granted that these are entirely separate universes that should have wildly diverging histories and events. Plus, Earth 1 Wells seems like an idiot by comparison, for just being a run of the mill genius who by all accounts was simply going to build a boring old particle accelerator and not crack open the multiverse and peak inside. It's gotten cartoonish. And when I posted on the old board back in season 2 about each season having it's own new, separate Harry with different wacky personalities, I was joking. I still think they're premature in revealing the season big bad to the main characters, or even to the audience, this early in the season. Whenever they do this, it never fails to end up dragging on, because they still have like 20+ episodes to go; and most of them are going to be the same thing - let's find Cicada, we have to find Cicada, how do we stop Cicada..... rinse and repeat. I mean, if you go back to season 1, Barry doesn't see the Reverse Flash for the first time (as an adult/as the Flash) until episode 9; and even though the audience learns Wells is "the man in the yellow suit," the main characters don't for several more episodes, which decidedly alters how they go about trying to take him on. It's paced much differently, and arguably better. I still maintain the gold standard of the perfectly structured and paced action/fantasy/drama was season 3 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The Mayor isn't introduced, much less shown to the audience to be definitively a bad guy until episode 5, but he isn't on the radar of the main characters until episode 15; and during the prior episodes there were one offs that had some great character building, and in some cases would even tie-in with the larger season arc. But maybe they'll prove me wrong on that, for once... I'm not sure what to expect from Caitlyn's story. The thing that stuck out to me is that she sees this hidden message left by her dad for her to come looking for him , but he's been gone how long and she is only seeing it now? And she would have never gone looking if not for Killer Frost. When she does finally find him, he's going to be like, "I left that message for you like, 15 years ago; I'm fine now. I got tired of waiting.... That, or he's going to be dead for real by this point... Eh, while I appreciate the idea of having a good time with someone that looks like Danielle Panabaker, that goes into some creepy territory, what with Caitlyn never remember what KF does; and the whole thing of Ralph sleeping with someone's split personality and Caitlyn having no recollection, let alone consent, as to what was being done to her body.... And I thought I heard over the summer that they were going to bring Ralph's future wife Sue on at some point this season? |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 26, 2018 17:45:29 GMT
I agree with stargazer. I am dreading 20 episodes of trying and failing to stop Cicada. Sometimes I wish all these shows were just old fashioned villain of the week shows with one big crossover per season and a couple 2 part episodes thrown in for fun.
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Post by dazz on Oct 26, 2018 18:33:57 GMT
Oh yeah don't get me wrong Cicada can go wrong so easily, that's also part of the shows problem is they drag things out, for me I would love if they did what AOS has been doing in recent seasons and breaking the seasons down into multiple arcs, this is why I think a rogues season could be great do 4-5 mlti episode arcs with a filler episode separating them for a cool off period with earch arc focusing on a separate rogue, make them 2-4 episodes long so if we got 5 arcs it would be 15 episodes of arcs, 5 epiosdes of filler then the final episodes bring back the rogues for the end of season team up where they team up, that way no one villain gets tired, Cicada could do this also, do 6-8 episodes on him at the start of the season let him then either be "defeated" or just vanish which Nora says he does in her timeline, then bring him back at the end of the season more dangerous than ever revealing they almost did beat him and now you just set it up for the final showdown, and you don't hint or tease it that he's coming back after they "beat" him so when he does return it is more an oh shit moment for the show. I get where you are coming from with my Ralph & Frost hook up idea, thing is to me when Caitlyn gets her back Frost shouldn't be a disassociated personality anymore, it should clearly be Caitlyn still but it's Caitlyn unrestrained, so it's not a she doesn't remember this or that but that it is just the morning after regret I think a lot of us probably have had after one or ten too many, which is also what plays into why Frost sleeps with him, she remembers all the help Ralph gave her and how much he cares but where as Caitlyn appreciates it but wants to keep their friendship clean Frost is the one who acts on impulse, and they set up in Ralph's first appearance she and Iris find him handsome iirc, so to Frost he's a handsome guy who likes her and who she likes who went above and beyond to help her, and because she doesn't worry about repercussions like regular Caitlyn she boinks him, so it takes that icky part out of it, and if you make Frost the aggressor and Ralph the one trying to hold her back it takes away from Ralph taking advantage of the situation, it can be done in the gross way I get, my thinking is make it purely for comedy but then I guess these writers don't have the best track record and it could easily turn icky so probably best not to try it, I just want to be clear I didn't mean it to be like Caitlyn woke up and it be like she got roofied or anything, but more the drunken one night stand she was into whilst drunk but regrets once sober. As for Well's again I get that I kind of hope he isn't a fraud that's a little too much like S3, the accent can be put on, he can be a part con man I don't mind that, but he should still be a great detective, yeah the masters of the multiverse thing is annoying, especially with Harry last seasons because it was like wait S2 he knew nothing more than the others in Star Labs in S4 he knows everything including the existence of Earth X, it was like WTF where did this knowledge come from all of a sudden? also they play it way too fast and loose with the multiverse thing, they set it up so there is only 53 universes so making it that everyone from other universes except Kara's are experts on it make everyone else seem really dumb imo unless they intend to expand the multiverse beyond that number to reinstall some awe to the concept they need to quit making it so meaningless imo. And yeah I know Cavanaugh loves playing new characters every season but at the same time the Well's aren't always a hit and making them all such caricatures and killing them off every season just becomes dull, also seeing how they lose one every year why keep inviting new ones in that they grow to care about only to watch them die or leave 6 months later, also why are they fine without one for 6 months then the exact same time every year they need a new one? the formula is too formulaic and obvious at this point they need to switch it up a bit... Dammit Stargazer I was being positive now look at me im being all negative again, I blame you sir I Blame You!  |
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Post by stargazer1682 on Oct 26, 2018 18:57:24 GMT
I get what you're getting at with Caitlyn/Frost. Again, I see the appeal, and certainly wouldn't say "no" if I were Ralph in that position, but part of me just wants to see him find Sue.
At least they haven't taken my suggestion of a Wells who dresses like a bear or doesn't wear clothing.
Although I think one of them was a Wells that speaks with a funny accent...
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Post by stargazer1682 on Oct 26, 2018 19:03:21 GMT
I don't mind AoS' recent format, but I kind of feel like the storylines are a slough, even when they're short. The occasional two part or multi-part episode arc is fine; and even having a longer storyline that weaves through an entire season is good too, but it has to be balanced and planned out.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 27, 2018 4:36:53 GMT
I have to say I am liking this so far, there isn't a mystery element this season so far for us atleast, seems they may have learned to stop trying to outthink us because they always make the obvious choice, Cicada maybe a mystery to the team but not us, his plan seems pretty straight forward, kill the meta's, and they are actually investing time to make you give a shit about the character, he's the villain sure but he's also somewhat sympathetic, ok it may only be a few episodes but im liking that Caitlyn has her own story and it's involving Ralph and in a way that isn't constant comic relief, some but not constant which is nice, I just hope the CW being as it is they don't try to parlay their teaming up into a romance thing, now if when she does get her powers back and Frost persona returns she and Ralphy have a night of icy karma sutra fun as a one off I wouldn't be opposed to it for the yucks of Caitlyn immediately regretting getting Frost back and a 1 episode silliness of Ralph acting love struck just to be cool with it being a 1 night stand, but I will probably be in the minority on that one.
So what do you all think, I couldn't remember if there was a post about S3 yet and im too lazy to look so I made a new one No here has mentioned Nora's reference to the Justice League yet? |
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2018 8:51:54 GMT
I have to say I am liking this so far, there isn't a mystery element this season so far for us atleast, seems they may have learned to stop trying to outthink us because they always make the obvious choice, Cicada maybe a mystery to the team but not us, his plan seems pretty straight forward, kill the meta's, and they are actually investing time to make you give a shit about the character, he's the villain sure but he's also somewhat sympathetic, ok it may only be a few episodes but im liking that Caitlyn has her own story and it's involving Ralph and in a way that isn't constant comic relief, some but not constant which is nice, I just hope the CW being as it is they don't try to parlay their teaming up into a romance thing, now if when she does get her powers back and Frost persona returns she and Ralphy have a night of icy karma sutra fun as a one off I wouldn't be opposed to it for the yucks of Caitlyn immediately regretting getting Frost back and a 1 episode silliness of Ralph acting love struck just to be cool with it being a 1 night stand, but I will probably be in the minority on that one.
So what do you all think, I couldn't remember if there was a post about S3 yet and im too lazy to look so I made a new one No here has mentioned Nora's reference to the Justice League yet?
Why would we? The league was mentioned in S1 with Barry being a founding member, so it's not new information, also what does one off the cuff reference have to do with the season as a whole so far? Or anything I wrote which you quoted?
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 28, 2018 13:18:37 GMT
That's DC-Fan for you. Operating in his own reality, detached from the rest of the world, making pointless statements and nonsensical ramblings.
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Post by BexxyJ on Nov 5, 2018 5:48:50 GMT
I have a feeling Nora will meet Nora and they will become a dynamic duo of destruction uiintil Nora turns up they'll fight until Nora calls for Nora to help her which then lets Nora know that Nora is also called Nora she will then step out and say my name is Nora as well, then Nora & Nora will step out and Nora will tell Nora that Nora is also called Nora, and then Nora will thell the Nora's her grandmother was called Nora also and they will all hug and be best friends. DC is thinking you thought "Save Martha£ and "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!" was bad wait till the Norapalooza goes down, it'll have you begging for the purity of Batman worlds greatest detective who knows who Superman is in real life but doesn't know the dudes mum is also called Martha because reasons. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 12:10:38 GMT
I have a feeling Nora will meet Nora and they will become a dynamic duo of destruction uiintil Nora turns up they'll fight until Nora calls for Nora to help her which then lets Nora know that Nora is also called Nora she will then step out and say my name is Nora as well, then Nora & Nora will step out and Nora will tell Nora that Nora is also called Nora, and then Nora will thell the Nora's her grandmother was called Nora also and they will all hug and be best friends. DC is thinking you thought "Save Martha£ and "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!" was bad wait till the Norapalooza goes down, it'll have you begging for the purity of Batman worlds greatest detective who knows who Superman is in real life but doesn't know the dudes mum is also called Martha because reasons.   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 12:19:28 GMT
To be honest, I am not sure what I think about this season yet Dazz. I am enjoying it more than the previous season with DeVoe and I like that Cicada is more of a physical villain who gets up and fights and I think if Barry can't find a way to stop him from blocking their powers he is going to have to be taught how to fight 'cause that is the only way he will be able to defeat him unless somebody uses their powers on him from a long distance and he doesn't see it coming. I still don't think he is going to be the main villain and him having a daughter will most likely play a part in him giving up being Cicada and they might get her to talk her Father out of doing it. I think he is just a distraction for another villain to come along and that is going to play into Nora's storyline and I could be wrong about this (I was not wrong about Caitlin's Father being a villain) but I think Reverse Flash will end up being the main villain and he will return more powerful or have another villain working for him.
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Post by BexxyJ on Dec 3, 2018 12:53:02 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Dec 3, 2018 22:02:58 GMT
Evil doctor? You mean the real Big Bad is the Valeyard?  |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 4, 2018 16:04:31 GMT
I'm not sure this season has a direction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 12:16:53 GMT
Evil doctor? You mean the real Big Bad is the Valeyard?
Apparently Cicada isn't even the real Cicada in the future and the future Cicada that everybody tried to stop and failed looks to be Gracie and I would say they will successfully stop Orlin and Gracie will wake up from her coma years later and take on the identity of Cicada. It still doesn't look like we are any closer to finding out the Doctor's real motives and no, they aren't from Valeyard  but I wouldn't be surprised if she turns out to be a meta herself or is working for Reverse Flash.  Theory: The Flash's Future Cicada Is Actually screenrant.com/flash-future-cicada-grace-theory/ |
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Is it just a coincidence or is there a conspiracy going on and they are they working for a higher Nora? We have this Nora, Barry’s Mum, Nora Dark and Nora Fries is coming to Arrow. Something funny is going on here. 
