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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 13:00:20 GMT
thoughts?
I am happy that he stated we didnt get behind lithuania enough.
Its a perfect comment from him. It means he understands how to play against these teams that just defend all game hoping for a counter chance.
Roy had no idea. Southgate does have a clear plan and its ver similar to Pochs, and why not. Just copy that style - Its what england managers used to do when Man U were the best team in england(with english players) as well.(chelsea are clearly better than Tot - but they do not have enough english players to play in that mould)
forget this slow international game(like what roy did). Get it back to PL styled play - fast - get round the back, seek the gaps. move the teams that come to wembley with two double decker buses stacked in there own half all over the place.
I am happy enough.
When I saw scotlands game - It only made me think Southgate's team is even better - we did look like a top 6 PL team compared to rest in our group.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:14:05 GMT
No, he's bloody useless runie.
Granted, we were the better team against Germany, but Germany were terrible and I can only remember us creating one decent chance that fell to Alli. And let's not forget we lost that game.
And Lithuania, well, I fell asleep at HT but I don't remember seeing too much to get excited about. Good work by Sterling for Defoe's goal, but that is down to individual skill rather than anything Southgate did.
And also, we only drew 0-0 against Slovenia under Southgate, and we deserved to lose (albeit away from home)! Scotland beat them and pounded them (apparently), so I don't know how that game makes us look "even better".
Well, we're stuck with him now, but excuse me if I don't get carried away with beating Lithuania 2-0 at home!
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 13:19:57 GMT
I dont agree stan. I think he will do us good. You will come round.
obviously no one knows fck all untill the time of reckoning comes....
A decent performance in a cup.
its all that matters. and all we can judge them on. But I see the signs.
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 13:28:47 GMT
PS: I dont really understand what you mean by 'pounded them'
When I whatch those games it just looks like Hull v Middlesbrough or something even worse. There is no pounding going on at all.( that was the main point of my thread and what the rest of the (very same in quality) teams in our group look like compared to the way England play.
I didn't watch the German game - but we lost - even though it matters little - I am not going to call that a win for Southgate..
However England played v Lithuania a brand of football(in patches) that is exactly what we need to be playing.(but a lot more of ) and that brand puts us in a completely different class to the other teams in the group.
and like I stated Southgate said the right things. Unlike Roy - He is mentally switched on!!
We needed to press them even more and get round the back even more. as we had the possession, speed and quality of players to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:29:18 GMT
I dont agree stan. I think he will do us good. You will come round. obviously no one knows fck all untill the time of reckoning comes.... A decent performance in a cup. its all that matters. and all we can judge them on. But I see the signs. I'll be happy to be proved wrong, but you look at some of the other groups, and we got an absolute belter of a draw. Could hardly have hand picked a piss easier group. I fear the same thing is going to happen what happens at every tournament, we'll get quietly confident then be on one of the first flights home. Worst thing that could have happened actually was the woodwork and Joe Hart saving us against Slovenia. Then we would have had to have got a proper manager in, instead we're stuck with Pizza Hut. Another tournament written off. |
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 13:48:37 GMT
We all fear the same thing.
So why big ourselves up? - or why even try and spot a few positives? Because what does it matte?r - if we fck it up again at another c up?
Why state anything good about England even if we see it? - because we can always make an excuse - like - we cant judge them at all - because the group is too easy - blah blah..
The chances are the team will let us down wether you or I are right.
because we have lived through it so many times before.
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 13:50:19 GMT
But why do you think england could get a manager in that will elevate england from beeing a bunch of underachievers into a decent one tourny time?
its just not gonna happen.
I stay stick with Southgate for 40 years. forget about this blame game.
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Mar 27, 2017 13:52:35 GMT
We won't be able to seriously tell how good he is until we're in a tournament, unless of course we fail to qualify, in which case he's obviously shite, but that doesn't look like happening.
I like that he's been flexible enough to give someone like Defoe a chance, and has tried a new formation as he did against Germany. If he can look like he has something of a clue at the World Cup and the squad demonstrates a sense of team spirit and understanding of what they're supposed to do on the pitch, then we've made progress.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:52:56 GMT
PS: I dont really understand what you mean by 'pounded them' When I whatch those games it just looks like Hull v Middlesbrough or something even worse. There is no pounding going on at all.( that was the main point of my thread and what the rest of the (very same in quality) teams in our group look like compared to the way England play. I didn't watch the German game - but we lost - even though it matters little - I am not going to call that a win for Southgate.. However England played v Lithuania a brand of football(in patches) that is exactly what we need to be playing.(but a lot more of ) and that brand puts us in a completely different class to the other teams in the group. and like I stated Southgate said the right things. Unlike Roy - He is mentally switched on!! We needed to press them even more and get round the back even more. as we had the possession, speed and quality of players to do so. C'mon Runie, it was Lithuania, we should be beating them by a minimum of 2 goals, absolute minimum! I remember when I was a kid and I used to go through my football annuals and look at England's past results, and we used to beat teams like Turkey and Greece 5 or 8-0. Granted those days are gone, but there are new whipping boys in town now, and we should be beating teams like Lithuania by 5 goals at home. And Scotland, I didn't watch the game, was watching some of the NI match, but I was following the BBC live reports and they seemed to be reporting that Scotland were making a lot of chances, which is more than what we managed against Slovenia. |
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 13:57:43 GMT
'C'mon Runie, it was Lithuania, we should be beating them by a minimum of 2 goals, absolute minimum!
and that is why i said that southgate stated the correct things - he said we should have exploited them more in the correct areas(behind them). He gets the game, he saw what i saw anyway.
So thats good enough for me.
He wasnt saying we played well. He stated we played poor but did the job and we should have exploited them more with the quailty we had..
It seems like you are agreeing with me - but not at the same time.
Having the right things to work on is progression from my POV. and the managers job.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:57:44 GMT
I stay stick with Southgate for 40 years. forget about this blame game.  You must be some kind of masochist. If I'd seen anything in Southgate's management career or even his punditry on ITV that might suggest he is a good manager, anything at all, then I'd say "yeah, let's give him some time". But I haven't. |
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 14:01:31 GMT
Ok lets say we could get Jose - maybe (he seems to love england over any other nation) before he is too old, or someone of his stature fine. Otherwise - No -I don't want someone on the downward curve that willget battered by the media and then end up having no fcking idea what they are doing come competition time.
I feel for Roy - big time. The job screwed him up.
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Mar 27, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
PS: I dont really understand what you mean by 'pounded them' When I whatch those games it just looks like Hull v Middlesbrough or something even worse. There is no pounding going on at all.( that was the main point of my thread and what the rest of the (very same in quality) teams in our group look like compared to the way England play. I didn't watch the German game - but we lost - even though it matters little - I am not going to call that a win for Southgate.. However England played v Lithuania a brand of football(in patches) that is exactly what we need to be playing.(but a lot more of ) and that brand puts us in a completely different class to the other teams in the group. and like I stated Southgate said the right things. Unlike Roy - He is mentally switched on!! We needed to press them even more and get round the back even more. as we had the possession, speed and quality of players to do so. C'mon Runie, it was Lithuania, we should be beating them by a minimum of 2 goals, absolute minimum! I remember when I was a kid and I used to go through my football annuals and look at England's past results, and we used to beat teams like Turkey and Greece 5 or 8-0. Granted those days are gone, but there are new whipping boys in town now, and we should be beating teams like Lithuania by 5 goals at home. And Scotland, I didn't watch the game, was watching some of the NI match, but I was following the BBC live reports and they seemed to be reporting that Scotland were making a lot of chances, which is more than what we managed against Slovenia. The weak teams aren't as easy to thrash as they used to be. It really doesn't mean as much not being able to put 3 or 4 past Lithuania. On another day we might, but then you look at other top teams during their qualifying campaigns and they have suspect results every now and again. We shouldn't read too much into the qualifying campaign. As always with England, it's about what we do when we get to a tournament. |
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 14:08:48 GMT
'We shouldn't read too much into the qualifying campaign. As always with England, it's about what we do when we get to a tournament.'
we all know this - sadly - it makes no bloody odds..
however I liked the fact he saw what we needed to improve on in the game.. Its a minor positive . That he picks up the negatives - as it means he will work on them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 14:16:12 GMT
Ok lets say we could get Jose - maybe (he seems to love england over any other nation) before he is too old, or someone of his stature fine. Otherwise - No -I don't want someone on the downward curve that willget battered by the media and then end up having no fcking idea what they are doing come competition time. I feel for Roy - big time. The job screwed him up. Well we're never gonna get someone like Jose, but just because you can't afford a diamond ring for your girlfriend doesn't mean you should say "ah, fuck it" and make her a ring out of dog shit. There are a tonne of managers better qualified than Gareth Southgate. I could name about 20 off the top of my head who would probably take the job. Let's get the thoughts of Harry Redknapp: |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 14:21:26 GMT
I like that he's been flexible enough to give someone like Defoe a chance, and has tried a new formation as he did against Germany. Those were some minor positives, but Defoe has scored 14 prem goals this season, so he kinda picks himself, no way does he get picked if all our strikers weren't crocked. And trying 3 at the back, hardly groundbreaking, he obviously saw Jose do it the other day. |
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Mar 27, 2017 14:22:07 GMT
'We shouldn't read too much into the qualifying campaign. As always with England, it's about what we do when we get to a tournament.' we all know this - sadly - it makes no bloody odds.. however I liked the fact he saw what we needed to improve on in the game.. Its a minor positive . That he picks up the negatives - as it means he will work on them. I liked what we did against Germany away under Hodgson when we beat them 3-2, and then we went to the Euros and had an absolute shocker and Hodgson was shown up to be a complete clown. Again, there is no point getting carried away with anything in this qualifying campaign. I thought yesterday's performance incidentally was pretty dire. |
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 14:26:55 GMT
Yep and he stated as such.
Roy would have said - 3 pts good prerformance.
We could see that roy had no game plan at any point in his reign.
Southgates will be much more settle and understood/
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Post by runie on Mar 27, 2017 14:31:33 GMT
to add (3-2 v germany)- roy put some players on and these players will play well against good players - they know these players at European level and domestic and they want to play well against them .. so you dont really need a manager to gear them up in a friendly to beat Germany. These players know each other and they want to win (even if they may pull out of tackles early etc)
But it was Roys best performance and it didn't include rooney. and yet...... he was captain euro 2016...
If Southgate at any point plays rooney - then I will thing twice.
But surely its over for him now.
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Mar 27, 2017 14:35:09 GMT
I like that he's been flexible enough to give someone like Defoe a chance, and has tried a new formation as he did against Germany. Those were some minor positives, but Defoe has scored 14 prem goals this season, so he kinda picks himself, no way does he get picked if all our strikers weren't crocked. And trying 3 at the back, hardly groundbreaking, he obviously saw Jose do it the other day. Hasn't always happened in the past with English strikers scoring lots of goals for teams near the bottom. I remember Austin was overlooked when he scored 18 for QPR, as was Bent when he scored 20 or so for Sunderland. But yes it is questionable as to whether Defoe would get an opportunity were Kane not injured. And on the other side of the coin, I feel like Hart probably isn't doing enough to be in the first team let alone being named captain, when you consider we have another Englishman who has been the best performing keeper in the league. |
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