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Post by movieliker on Oct 28, 2018 21:52:37 GMT
Rams get on the board with a safety, they trail 10-2. Goff is incredibly off today, not having Kupp hurts the Rams offense, he’s an excellent receiver and his absence takes away a major option, and the Packers are playing very strong, aggressive defense. It looked to me like the Ram that grounded that punt on the one, stepped on the goal line. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 28, 2018 21:52:45 GMT
Winston isn’t the answer period, he’s a turnover machine, has major character issues and he hasn’t shown much progress at all, this is now his 4th season, he hasn’t proven he’s a good franchise QB, he’s a middle of the road, inconsistent QB who’s most notable for being a scumbag. And Barkley’s shelf life? Seriously, he’s just a rookie. And I’ve already said they should trade OBJ for draft picks. However would you agree that the shelf life of today's RB is incredibly small? What's it in the 5-7 year range now? And would you agree that he's taking a ridiculous number of hits right now? Would you agree if they do pick a QB in next years draft that perhaps he needs to sit for awhile? Or would you throw him to the wolves in game #1 with that team? Why not take a flier on a guy who has disappointed but has a pedigree and may surprise everybody with a change of scenery (i.e. FitzMagic) To me the Giants taking a flier on Winston is 'no harm no foul' as you potentially groom your QB of the future. Or would you bring Manning back next year as the starter to 'mentor' the draft pick? If you had said to dump Eli in favor of trading for Carr, I could see that as a possibility. Replacing Eli with Winston makes zero sense. And if you're concerned about "Wasting" the best years of Barkley's career, it's a billion times easier to replace a running back than it is a quarterback. I don't know what QBs are coming out in the next draft, but if there's one that the Giants think can be a franchise QB then they'll definitely be in a position to draft him. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 21:57:22 GMT
However would you agree that the shelf life of today's RB is incredibly small? What's it in the 5-7 year range now? And would you agree that he's taking a ridiculous number of hits right now? Would you agree if they do pick a QB in next years draft that perhaps he needs to sit for awhile? Or would you throw him to the wolves in game #1 with that team? Why not take a flier on a guy who has disappointed but has a pedigree and may surprise everybody with a change of scenery (i.e. FitzMagic) To me the Giants taking a flier on Winston is 'no harm no foul' as you potentially groom your QB of the future. Or would you bring Manning back next year as the starter to 'mentor' the draft pick? If you had said to dump Eli in favor of trading for Carr, I could see that as a possibility. Replacing Eli with Winston makes zero sense. And if you're concerned about "Wasting" the best years of Barkley's career, it's a billion times easier to replace a running back than it is a quarterback. I don't know what QBs are coming out in the next draft, but if there's one that the Giants think can be a franchise QB then they'll definitely be in a position to draft him. But would you agree that Barkley seems to be a generational talent and how do you replace that? |
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Post by movieliker on Oct 28, 2018 21:59:21 GMT
Rams have 8 points. Don't see that much in football.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Oct 28, 2018 22:08:32 GMT
Rams have 8 points. Don't see that much in football. And the Niners lead the Cardinals 5-3! Bizarre scores in both games. |
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Post by marsexplorer on Oct 28, 2018 22:18:50 GMT
It looks like I might lose all the afternoon games in pick em. I should of kept my mouth shut.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 28, 2018 22:29:20 GMT
Rams have 8 points. Don't see that much in football. And the Niners lead the Cardinals 5-3! Bizarre scores in both games. Niners and Cardinals --- what an exciting game --- NOT !!! Number 1 pick in the draft bowl !!! When you win, you lose. When you lose, you win !!! |
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Post by movieliker on Oct 28, 2018 22:31:40 GMT
It looks like I might lose all the afternoon games in pick em. I should of kept my mouth shut. I live in New Orleans. I am a Saints fan. YOU'RE GONNA LOSE TONIGHT !!! |
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Post by marsexplorer on Oct 28, 2018 22:34:38 GMT
It looks like I might lose all the afternoon games in pick em. I should of kept my mouth shut. I live in New Orleans. I am a Saints fan. YOU'RE GONNA LOSE TONIGHT !!! I predicted that in pick em. But as a fan I still need to pick the Vikes. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 28, 2018 22:39:48 GMT
If you had said to dump Eli in favor of trading for Carr, I could see that as a possibility. Replacing Eli with Winston makes zero sense. And if you're concerned about "Wasting" the best years of Barkley's career, it's a billion times easier to replace a running back than it is a quarterback. I don't know what QBs are coming out in the next draft, but if there's one that the Giants think can be a franchise QB then they'll definitely be in a position to draft him. But would you agree that Barkley seems to be a generational talent and how do you replace that? "Once in a generational talent" is exaggerating. He's absolutely great, but so are Leveon Bell, Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliott, Melvin Gordon III, with some others that are good in the next tier down. QBs don't have to sit as long as they used to, so long as they're good to begin with. It took Goff one season to blossom once they got a real coach. Wentz was leading the Eagles to the Super Bowl in his second season before he got hurt. It can be done, getting a skilled QB while Barkley is still in his prime, they just can't miss on their draft picks. |
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Post by movieliker on Oct 28, 2018 22:42:28 GMT
I live in New Orleans. I am a Saints fan. YOU'RE GONNA LOSE TONIGHT !!! I predicted that in pick em. But as a fan I still need to pick the Vikes. Both teams are good and evenly matched. I am just being a homer. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 22:43:30 GMT
But would you agree that Barkley seems to be a generational talent and how do you replace that? "Once in a generational talent" is exaggerating. He's absolutely great, but so are Leveon Bell, Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliott, Melvin Gordon III, with some others that are good in the next tier down. QBs don't have to sit as long as they used to, so long as they're good to begin with. It took Goff one season to blossom once they got a real coach. Wentz was leading the Eagles to the Super Bowl in his second season before he got hurt. It can be done, getting a skilled QB while Barkley is still in his prime, they just can't miss on their draft picks. Interesting. So what's the plan of action here? Do you draft a QB and throw him to the wolves and start him Week #1? (I'm fine with that - but to call a spade a spade there's nobody out there I like - they blew it after the past couple of years) Do you bring Manning back again to mentor the kid? Or do you perhaps bring in a vet as a placeholder so to speak until the kid that you draft is ready (i.e. my approach with Winston giving up a 4th rounder for him) |
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Post by Xeliou66 on Oct 28, 2018 22:44:13 GMT
Rams go up 16-13, very good game but surprisingly low scoring, I think Goff is heating up now after a very slow start, he’s been off for most of the game.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 28, 2018 22:44:27 GMT
Rams mailed in first half. They are playing well now.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 28, 2018 22:49:27 GMT
"Once in a generational talent" is exaggerating. He's absolutely great, but so are Leveon Bell, Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliott, Melvin Gordon III, with some others that are good in the next tier down. QBs don't have to sit as long as they used to, so long as they're good to begin with. It took Goff one season to blossom once they got a real coach. Wentz was leading the Eagles to the Super Bowl in his second season before he got hurt. It can be done, getting a skilled QB while Barkley is still in his prime, they just can't miss on their draft picks. Interesting. So what's the plan of action here? Do you draft a QB and throw him to the wolves and start him Week #1? (I'm fine with that - but to call a spade a spade there's nobody out there I like - they blew it after the past couple of years) Do you bring Manning back again to mentor the kid? Or do you perhaps bring in a vet as a placeholder so to speak until the kid that you draft is ready (i.e. my approach with Winston giving up a 4th rounder for him) I'm no Mel Kiper Jr. I don't know who is coming out and what the feeling is on those who are. One good thing going for the Giants is that their current head coach is known for making QBs more successful. If they see "their guy" in the draft, get him. If so they'll probably be in a similar situation as the Ravens are now. I don't know what Eli's cap number is but I imagine it's high. But he's like the owner's favorite son so I don't know if they'd just cut him. I imagine that next season is Eli's last in NY. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 22:52:00 GMT
Interesting. So what's the plan of action here? Do you draft a QB and throw him to the wolves and start him Week #1? (I'm fine with that - but to call a spade a spade there's nobody out there I like - they blew it after the past couple of years) Do you bring Manning back again to mentor the kid? Or do you perhaps bring in a vet as a placeholder so to speak until the kid that you draft is ready (i.e. my approach with Winston giving up a 4th rounder for him) I'm no Mel Kiper Jr. I don't know who is coming out and what the feeling is on those who are. One good thing going for the Giants is that their current head coach is known for making QBs more successful. If they see "their guy" in the draft, get him. If so they'll probably be in a similar situation as the Ravens are now. I don't know what Eli's cap number is but I imagine it's high. But he's like the owner's favorite son so I don't know if they'd just cut him. I imagine that next season is Eli's last in NY. I thought Pat Shurmer came out and said Eli had a lot left in the tank and he was going to make him successful again too. How's that working out? |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 28, 2018 22:53:31 GMT
I'm no Mel Kiper Jr. I don't know who is coming out and what the feeling is on those who are. One good thing going for the Giants is that their current head coach is known for making QBs more successful. If they see "their guy" in the draft, get him. If so they'll probably be in a similar situation as the Ravens are now. I don't know what Eli's cap number is but I imagine it's high. But he's like the owner's favorite son so I don't know if they'd just cut him. I imagine that next season is Eli's last in NY. I thought Pat Shurmer came out and said Eli had a lot left in the tank and he was going to make him successful again too. How's that working out? Well what's he gonna say? The last coach that dared question Eli got fired. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 22:55:18 GMT
I thought Pat Shurmer came out and said Eli had a lot left in the tank and he was going to make him successful again too. How's that working out? Well what's he gonna say? The last coach that dared question Eli got fired. If he's a 'horse whisperer' so to speak - can't one argue he'd work wonders with Winston? |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 28, 2018 22:56:35 GMT
Well what's he gonna say? The last coach that dared question Eli got fired. If he's a 'horse whisperer' so to speak - can't one argue he'd work wonders with Winston? It's possible, but why bother? They'd be better off drafting one this next draft. |
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Post by poelzig on Oct 28, 2018 23:03:21 GMT
Well what's he gonna say? The last coach that dared question Eli got fired. If he's a 'horse whisperer' so to speak - can't one argue he'd work wonders with Winston? Work wonders with Jameis? I think you mean whore whipserer. |
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