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Post by politicidal on Nov 1, 2018 0:36:20 GMT
Joining it are the Incredibles 2, Crazy Rich Asians, and First Man.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 1, 2018 5:01:18 GMT
Give Marvel the award after 17 films they finally make a black character the lead. Racism is over. Inclusion for all.
If you were rewarding diversity , i would not reward a company that took 17 films to reach that point. Pathetic.
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 1, 2018 5:07:05 GMT
Give Marvel the award after 17 films they finally make a black character the lead. Racism is over. Inclusion for all. If you were rewarding diversity , i would not reward a company that took 17 films to reach that point. Pathetic. Funny that when they announced they were doing Black Panther there was a vocal group online that said the only reason they were doing it was they were Pandering to PC culture. Now that they did it and it was successful they should've done it sooner. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 1, 2018 5:27:53 GMT
Rename Hollywood Wakanda!!
Disneyland should become Wakandaland!
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Post by darkpast on Nov 1, 2018 5:28:23 GMT
Give Marvel the award after 17 films they finally make a black character the lead. Racism is over. Inclusion for all. If you were rewarding diversity , i would not reward a company that took 17 films to reach that point. Pathetic. Funny that when they announced they were doing Black Panther there was a vocal group online that said the only reason they were doing it was they were Pandering to PC culture. Now that they did it and it was successful they should've done it sooner. just think they should not be awarded for breaking barriers, the film is fine but nothing best picture worthy |
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 1, 2018 6:30:12 GMT
Funny that when they announced they were doing Black Panther there was a vocal group online that said the only reason they were doing it was they were Pandering to PC culture. Now that they did it and it was successful they should've done it sooner. just think they should not be awarded for breaking barriers, the film is fine but nothing best picture worthy I'll go further and say there hasn't been a Super Hero movie yet to be best picture worthy. I was just pointing out Marvel wouldn't have won either way. If the backlash when announcing it when they did was vocal how much more would've been if they announced it earlier. I remember the same backlash with Wonder Woman. The only reason they were doing it was Female Empowerment when it took DC 75 years to make it. You can't win. There have been Female and Black led Superhero movies. Super Girl, Elektra, and Catwoman come to mind. There has been black led Superhero movies Blade, Spawn, and Steel come to mind. Wonder Woman isn't the first Female Directed comic book/super hero movie. Tank Girl, Josie and the Pussycats, Punisher War Zone was directed by female directors. The reason why Patty Jenkins is getting credit, rightfully so, is that she was first female director who was given a big budgeted superhero movie. I think it would've been better if the movie was written by a female to show even more inclusion but it was written by Allan Heinberg. (with story credits Zack Snyder Allan Heinberg Jason Fuchs) I could be wrong but I think Black Panther is the first Comic Book movie directed by an African American. Unless you want to stretch the definition to just Super Hero. If you do then you have to included Robert Townsend's Meteor Man which he wrote, directed, produced and starred in. Marvel did a 6 issue Comic Book tie in after the fact. (Blank Man was directed by a Jewish Person, but was Written by Damon Waynes.) Ryan Coogler is getting credit not because he was the first Black Director of a Black Superhero movie. As he wasn't. He is getting credit because it was a widely accepted Black Superhero movie, written and directed by a African American Man. Both Jenkins and Coogler prove that historical Minorities (minorities not in population but women didn't share the same power of the Majority ie men) can helm a huge blockbuster and be trusted to make good/popular ones. Should this had happened earlier??? FUCK YES. For how liberal Hollywood is the inertia of Misogynism and Racism lasted (should be present tense but I'm an optimist) a lot longer than it should've. It takes time to chip away at both. If you consider the Equal Rights Movement for both African Americans and Women took place just around 60 years ago I say we are finally starting to see results. (in some areas of Hollywood not in all. Sexual Harassment/Rape/Assault was/is present until recently. In the last decade an Agency told Katee Sackhoff they were only interested in Men and Directors as clients) People want to celebrate milestones. That's all this is. A symbolic representation that things are changing. There is a shit ton of more to do, but it's good to celebrate signs that the country isn't full of Complete Assholes, just mostly assholes. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 1, 2018 7:01:34 GMT
I think this is pretty accurate and fair. its an award for cultural influence.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 1, 2018 14:57:31 GMT
Give Marvel the award after 17 films they finally make a black character the lead. Racism is over. Inclusion for all. If you were rewarding diversity , i would not reward a company that took 17 films to reach that point. Pathetic. This. |
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Nov 1, 2018 15:05:22 GMT
Give Marvel the award after 17 films they finally make a black character the lead. Racism is over. Inclusion for all. If you were rewarding diversity , i would not reward a company that took 17 films to reach that point. Pathetic. This. And 19 movies until Someone of Color (purple!) was the lead. Unconscionable. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 1, 2018 15:12:10 GMT
I think this is pretty accurate and fair. its an award for cultural influence. But Black Panther doesn't have any cultural influence. The only thing we learned about African culture from Black Panther is that African cultures choose their leaders by a medieval and barbaric and savage ritual of mortal combat and African cultures prefer to have a leader who has the most brute strength rather than a leader who has the most intelligence. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 1, 2018 15:20:58 GMT
just think they should not be awarded for breaking barriers, the film is fine but nothing best picture worthy I'll go further and say there hasn't been a Super Hero movie yet to be best picture worthy. I was just pointing out Marvel wouldn't have won either way. If the backlash when announcing it when they did was vocal how much more would've been if they announced it earlier. I remember the same backlash with Wonder Woman. The only reason they were doing it was Female Empowerment when it took DC 75 years to make it. You can't win. There have been Female and Black led Superhero movies. Super Girl, Elektra, and Catwoman come to mind. There has been black led Superhero movies Blade, Spawn, and Steel come to mind. Wonder Woman isn't the first Female Directed comic book/super hero movie. Tank Girl, Josie and the Pussycats, Punisher War Zone was directed by female directors. The reason why Patty Jenkins is getting credit, rightfully so, is that she was first female director who was given a big budgeted superhero movie. I think it would've been better if the movie was written by a female to show even more inclusion but it was written by Allan Heinberg. (with story credits Zack Snyder Allan Heinberg Jason Fuchs) I could be wrong but I think Black Panther is the first Comic Book movie directed by an African American. Unless you want to stretch the definition to just Super Hero. If you do then you have to included Robert Townsend's Meteor Man which he wrote, directed, produced and starred in. Marvel did a 6 issue Comic Book tie in after the fact. (Blank Man was directed by a Jewish Person, but was Written by Damon Waynes.) Ryan Coogler is getting credit not because he was the first Black Director of a Black Superhero movie. As he wasn't. He is getting credit because it was a widely accepted Black Superhero movie, written and directed by a African American Man. Both Jenkins and Coogler prove that historical Minorities (minorities not in population but women didn't share the same power of the Majority ie men) can helm a huge blockbuster and be trusted to make good/popular ones. Should this had happened earlier??? FUCK YES. For how liberal Hollywood is the inertia of Misogynism and Racism lasted (should be present tense but I'm an optimist) a lot longer than it should've. It takes time to chip away at both. If you consider the Equal Rights Movement for both African Americans and Women took place just around 60 years ago I say we are finally starting to see results. (in some areas of Hollywood not in all. Sexual Harassment/Rape/Assault was/is present until recently. In the last decade an Agency told Katee Sackhoff they were only interested in Men and Directors as clients) People want to celebrate milestones. That's all this is. A symbolic representation that things are changing. There is a shit ton of more to do, but it's good to celebrate signs that the country isn't full of Complete Assholes, just mostly assholes.  |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 1, 2018 15:27:44 GMT
just think they should not be awarded for breaking barriers, the film is fine but nothing best picture worthy I'll go further and say there hasn't been a Super Hero movie yet to be best picture worthy. I was just pointing out Marvel wouldn't have won either way. If the backlash when announcing it when they did was vocal how much more would've been if they announced it earlier. I remember the same backlash with Wonder Woman. The only reason they were doing it was Female Empowerment when it took DC 75 years to make it. You can't win. There have been Female and Black led Superhero movies. Super Girl, Elektra, and Catwoman come to mind. There has been black led Superhero movies Blade, Spawn, and Steel come to mind. Wonder Woman isn't the first Female Directed comic book/super hero movie. Tank Girl, Josie and the Pussycats, Punisher War Zone was directed by female directors. The reason why Patty Jenkins is getting credit, rightfully so, is that she was first female director who was given a big budgeted superhero movie. I think it would've been better if the movie was written by a female to show even more inclusion but it was written by Allan Heinberg. (with story credits Zack Snyder Allan Heinberg Jason Fuchs) I could be wrong but I think Black Panther is the first Comic Book movie directed by an African American. Unless you want to stretch the definition to just Super Hero. If you do then you have to included Robert Townsend's Meteor Man which he wrote, directed, produced and starred in. Marvel did a 6 issue Comic Book tie in after the fact. (Blank Man was directed by a Jewish Person, but was Written by Damon Waynes.) Ryan Coogler is getting credit not because he was the first Black Director of a Black Superhero movie. As he wasn't. He is getting credit because it was a widely accepted Black Superhero movie, written and directed by a African American Man. Both Jenkins and Coogler prove that historical Minorities (minorities not in population but women didn't share the same power of the Majority ie men) can helm a huge blockbuster and be trusted to make good/popular ones. Should this had happened earlier??? FUCK YES. For how liberal Hollywood is the inertia of Misogynism and Racism lasted (should be present tense but I'm an optimist) a lot longer than it should've. It takes time to chip away at both. If you consider the Equal Rights Movement for both African Americans and Women took place just around 60 years ago I say we are finally starting to see results. (in some areas of Hollywood not in all. Sexual Harassment/Rape/Assault was/is present until recently. In the last decade an Agency told Katee Sackhoff they were only interested in Men and Directors as clients) People want to celebrate milestones. That's all this is. A symbolic representation that things are changing. There is a shit ton of more to do, but it's good to celebrate signs that the country isn't full of Complete Assholes, just mostly assholes. Damn, nicely put vassaggo! |
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 1, 2018 16:55:31 GMT
I think this is pretty accurate and fair. its an award for cultural influence. But Black Panther doesn't have any cultural influence. The only thing we learned about African culture from Black Panther is that African cultures choose their leaders by a medieval and barbaric and savage ritual of mortal combat and African cultures prefer to have a leader who has the most brute strength rather than a leader who has the most intelligence. Oh fuck off. Jesus Fucking Christ. Do you know how important it is to Black People and Women in general this movie happened? How it unceremoniously depicted Black People being intelligent, forgiving, empathetic, flawed, complicated, and masters of their own destiny. It didn't take another culture to come in and fix them. It showed women in power, being the leaders of the royal guard. No big deal was made that was just the norm. I saw 40-50 year old parents puffy eyed and crying at the movie. Black People have been portrayed as such in other forms of media, but not so much in the Super Hero Genre. Kids can see someone who looks like them portrayed as Heroes. It portrayed Black people with flaws as if they were normal people. Kevin Smith's wife who it takes a lot to be moved at cried at WW and BP. She had Princess Leia as a child, but rare to find a layered female in Superhero movies. And while WW moved her, the matter of factness and no gilding given to Women being portrayed as normal leading the Royal Guard or running the Tech division moved her as well. While none of them will see your asinine comments, the fact you undercut the cultural influence and meaning to this movie sickens me. All part of this MCU vs DCEU bullshit. "I have to interpret everything to the determent of MCU because I like another studios comic book movies." You are representing the worst of Tribal Thinking while commenting on a movie that shows that Tribal Thinking is wrong. And the main character rejects Tribalism at the end and goes on the world stage. The irony would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Your moral high ground of judging the barbarity of the Tribes in the movie would be a lot easier to swallow if you weren't a thief stealing the Intellectual Property and then you try to cast moral aspersions against it. If you watched the movie like a Law Abiding Citizen you would know from the reactions of the characters that it was Highly Unusual for a challenge to the throne to occur. It was a throw back to early times. Everyone assumed that as the Son of the King he would get the mantel of king and black panther. You could tell from the peoples reactions. It would be the equivalent in my state of SC for the cops to come in and arrest an owner of Chucky Cheese for allowing Minors to use Pinball Machines. It's completely legal for the Cops to do it as that law is still part of our books. SECTION 63-19-2430. Playing pinball. It is unlawful for a minor under the age of eighteen to play a pinball machine. It's a law that is a throw back to earlier times. Just like it's illegal to have a Dance Hall open on Sunday, Hell it's illegal to work at all on the Sabbath, and It's illegal to buy lottery tickets when the state runs the Lottery. SECTION 16-19-20. Adventuring in lotteries. Whoever shall be adventurer in or shall pay any moneys or other consideration or shall in any way contribute unto or upon account of any sales or lotteries shall forfeit for every such offense the sum of one hundred dollars... Just like the ritual combat if you would arrest any South Carolinian on these charges you would get the same reaction that the other characters had. Shock, incredulity, and anger. By letter of the law it's legal for a challenge just like it legal for cops to shut down a night club, but no one expects it. Not just their reactions but their verbally expressed that T'Challa was going to be crowned in a ceremony not for him to have to fight. I guess if they were thinking people were going to steal low quality files they should've came right out and said it when M'baku challenged. "HEY YOU THE GUY STEALING THIS MOVIE WE THE CHARACTERS ARE SURPRISED THAT ANOTHER CHARACTER IS TAKING THE CHANCE TO TURN THIS LARGELY CEREMONIAL ACT AS A CHANCE TO BATTLE FOR THE THRONE." I suppose Marvel Studios didn't want to have to spoon feed thieves that take their IP. Since the movie is out on DVD I'm sure they have a HD file you can steal. Stream your illegal copy again and watch the actors react to M'Baku challenging and listen to how they expected the T'Challa to be crowned during the ceremony not to gear up for a fight. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 1, 2018 18:36:20 GMT
But Black Panther doesn't have any cultural influence. The only thing we learned about African culture from Black Panther is that African cultures choose their leaders by a medieval and barbaric and savage ritual of mortal combat and African cultures prefer to have a leader who has the most brute strength rather than a leader who has the most intelligence. Oh fuck off. Jesus Fucking Christ. Do you know how important it is to Black People and Women in general this movie happened? Given how they negatively portrayed African cultures (as choosing their leaders by a medieval and barbaric and savage ritual of mortal combat and preferring a leader who has the most brute strength rather than a leader who has the most intelligence), most black people should forget this movie ever happened. How it unceremoniously depicted Black People being intelligent Quite the opposite. In fact, the movie makes it a point to show that African cultures prefer a leader who has the most brute strength rather than a leader who has the most intelligence. And the movie also shows that no one in Wakanda is intelligent enought to figure out a way to have a peaceful transition of power here in the 21st century when most of the rest of the world has already done so. It showed women in power, being the leaders of the royal guard It showed women not being in power but women beng subservient to a King and taking orders from a King. Kids can see someone who looks like them portrayed as Heroes Wow! That's a huge slap in the face to all black people! There's already been a great movie about a black hero and it wasn't Black Panther. This is the greatest movie ever about a black hero and (unlike Black Panther), this movie does have significant cultural impact: www.imdb.com/title/tt1020072/referenceWatch a movie about a real superheroit was Highly Unusual for a challenge to the throne to occur And yet that barbaric ritual of choosing a leader by mortal combat (like Klingons do) happened not once but twice in the movie! |
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Post by darkpast on Nov 1, 2018 18:54:17 GMT
Give Marvel the award after 17 films they finally make a black character the lead. Racism is over. Inclusion for all. If you were rewarding diversity , i would not reward a company that took 17 films to reach that point. Pathetic. Funny that when they announced they were doing Black Panther there was a vocal group online that said the only reason they were doing it was they were Pandering to PC culture. Now that they did it and it was successful they should've done it sooner. 2 different groups screaming , one of them is likely racist |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 1, 2018 19:38:43 GMT
Funny that when they announced they were doing Black Panther there was a vocal group online that said the only reason they were doing it was they were Pandering to PC culture. Now that they did it and it was successful they should've done it sooner. 2 different groups screaming , one of them is likely racist yes, people cry from left and right. Like still with Cap Marvel: the one group cries SJW-pandering!!!!!, the other is shaking it's head why it took MCU 22 movies (and the triumph of WW) until they introduced their first female lead film. The vox populi is pluralistic, different people having different opinions. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 1, 2018 20:49:28 GMT
Oh fuck off. Jesus Fucking Christ. Do you know how important it is to Black People and Women in general this movie happened? Given how they negatively portrayed African cultures (as choosing their leaders by a medieval and barbaric and savage ritual of mortal combat and preferring a leader who has the most brute strength rather than a leader who has the most intelligence), most black people should forget this movie ever happened. How it unceremoniously depicted Black People being intelligent Quite the opposite. In fact, the movie makes it a point to show that African cultures prefer a leader who has the most brute strength rather than a leader who has the most intelligence. And the movie also shows that no one in Wakanda is intelligent enought to figure out a way to have a peaceful transition of power here in the 21st century when most of the rest of the world has already done so. It showed women in power, being the leaders of the royal guard It showed women not being in power but women beng subservient to a King and taking orders from a King. Kids can see someone who looks like them portrayed as Heroes Wow! That's a huge slap in the face to all black people! There's already been a great movie about a black hero and it wasn't Black Panther. This is the greatest movie ever about a black hero and (unlike Black Panther), this movie does have significant cultural impact: www.imdb.com/title/tt1020072/referenceWatch a movie about a real superheroit was Highly Unusual for a challenge to the throne to occur And yet that barbaric ritual of choosing a leader by mortal combat (like Klingons do) happened not once but twice in the movie! No matter what I say you will skip over everything and try to argue the same points over and over. You won't acknowledge ceremonial nature of the Combat. How no one expected a fight. That we had to have the M'Baku fight breaking the ceremonial nature to give the audience the information on how the Villain could usurp later on. It's a form of Chekhov's gun. And good writing form. BP usurping WW in the RT list and beating its BO hurt you so bad didn't it? So much so that you have to downplay the sheer awesomeness that a Black Female is shown to be penultimate power in a system and it wasn't done flashy. It wasn't hey look at this that is a high ranking person in this movie and we made it a woman. Can't you see how that can be empowering to a woman. How it's normal in that world that A High Ranking SOLDIER is a woman. So she takes orders from a King, and not a General. Are you saying Soldier's are subservient? A word that is associated with being demeaned? Are you so hurt by BP that you would infer Soldiers are demeaned? Tsk Tsk. And we all thought you were pro Military obviously you aren't if you have such a low opinion of them. 2 final things and I'm done. 1. I obviously meant fictional hero. A Super Hero not a real life hero. It's good to have heroes in Myth too. 2. Get ready for an ad hominem. The day I trust a Self Admitting Unrelenting Thief to give me Moral Lessons is the the day I lock myself in the Mental Ward. And that's not an insult that's the truth that you've admitted on here. You try to rationalize your thievery by saying you don't download the files you just stream them. Hate to burst your bubble but streaming is stealing. You Talk about Tom Brady cheating ad nauseam. You know what cheating is? It's STEALING a victory. Tom Brady and You are both Thieves. You should look up to him. You are a petty thief that steals movies. At least he stole a few Superbowls he had ambition. Is that why you are so vocal about him? It's your childish way to show your love for a fellow Thief? You know, how like you are mean to a girl in elementary school because you like her? From now on when I see you talking about Patriots, Brady or Belichick I'm going to see it for what it really is you introverted way to show your love for someone who has the same morals, but more ambition than you can muster. Your Sweet Valentine. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2018 21:59:07 GMT
Kevin Smith's wife who it takes a lot to be moved at cried at WW and BP. She had Princess Leia as a child, but rare to find a layered female in Superhero movies. And while WW moved her, the matter of factness and no gilding given to Women being portrayed as normal leading the Royal Guard or running the Tech division moved her as well. MCU Dictator Kevin Feige hates female superheroes (which is why MCU didn't make a female-led superhero movie for 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel because WB announced a Wonder Woman movie) and Black Panther is another misogynistic MCU movie that portrays women negatively.
Besides making the women in the movie subservient to a King and taking orders from a King, Black Panther went even further to devalue women by refusing to allow T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger apparently killed T'Challa. If Black Panther really wanted to portray women positively, then they should've had T'Challa's sister challenger Killmogner for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule so they had to have a wounded T'Challa who was almost killed challenge Killmonger instead of letting T'Challa's sister challenge Killmonger for the throne.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 6, 2018 23:09:08 GMT
Kevin Smith's wife who it takes a lot to be moved at cried at WW and BP. She had Princess Leia as a child, but rare to find a layered female in Superhero movies. And while WW moved her, the matter of factness and no gilding given to Women being portrayed as normal leading the Royal Guard or running the Tech division moved her as well. MCU Dictator Kevin Feige hates female superheroes (which is why MCU didn't make a female-led superhero movie for 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel because WB announced a Wonder Woman movie) and Black Panther is another misogynistic MCU movie that portrays women negatively.
Besides making the women in the movie subservient to a King and taking orders from a King, Black Panther went even further to devalue women by refusing to allow T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger apparently killed T'Challa. If Black Panther really wanted to portray women positively, then they should've had T'Challa's sister challenger Killmogner for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule so they had to have a wounded T'Challa who was almost killed challenge Killmonger instead of letting T'Challa's sister challenge Killmonger for the throne.
You must be the only imbecile who thinks Black Panther portrays women negatively. The fact they have powerful women as their special armed forces the Dora Milaje and ONLY women is a positive portrayal. Wonder Woman had powerful women and Black Panther had powerful women, end of discussion. |
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Post by amyghost on Nov 6, 2018 23:20:34 GMT
This is the greatest movie ever about a black hero and (unlike Black Panther), this movie does have significant cultural impact:
www.imdb.com/title/tt1020072/reference
Watch a movie about a real superheroAgreed. I'd rather see Black kids learn actual history about their actual heroic figures, than childish revisionist fantasy based on a comic book created by old white men. |
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