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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 3, 2018 2:40:18 GMT
1983's best picture of the year winner and one that gets me everytime  , even though I tell myself I am not going to this time. It doesn't work.
While I don't get Nicholson's Oscar win and Lithgow's support nomination—Daniels was more deserving here—both MacLaine and Winger are terrific and both have equal opportunity to shine. 1983 was a great year for female performances.
The film is episodic and jumps ahead in time, but it never feels jarring and the transitions are done smoothly and skillfully. The film clips along real nice with its just over 2hrs runtime and amongst the human drama\tragedy, is a beautiful blend of humor that pretty much nails everything within its presentation. MacLaine has me on the floor in a few occasions.  |
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Post by petrolino on Nov 3, 2018 2:44:19 GMT
There's only one Debra Winger, of Ohio ... always outspoken, always among the best ... here with Dave Letterman of Indiana!!
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Post by Dramatic Look Gopher on Nov 3, 2018 3:01:47 GMT
There's only one Debra Winger, of Ohio ... always outspoken, always among the best ... here with Dave Letterman of Indiana!!
Ha! I remember Wonder Girl. Oh well, you gotta start somewhere. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 3, 2018 3:03:47 GMT
There's only one Debra Winger, of Ohio ... always outspoken, always among the best ... here with Dave Letterman of Indiana!!
Thanks for posting that clip.
What a great personality and while I believe she could be difficult to work with, she was always raw and in the moment with her on-screen charisma and she photographed beautifully. No pretense with Winger and her role in Shadowlands 10yrs later was a nice little comeback for her and proved that she still had it.
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Post by petrolino on Nov 3, 2018 3:04:27 GMT
There's only one Debra Winger, of Ohio ... always outspoken, always among the best ... here with Dave Letterman of Indiana!!
Ha! I remember Wonder Girl. Oh well, you gotta start somewhere. Best thing is, she foresaw the whole phenom coming. Now she's enshrined deep within early cinematic comic book legend, like Lea Thompson taking on 'Howard the Duck'! |
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Post by dirtypillows on Nov 3, 2018 4:48:16 GMT
1983's best picture of the year winner and one that gets me everytime , even though I tell myself I am not going to this time. It doesn't work.
While I don't get Nicholson's Oscar win and Lithgow's support nomination—Daniel's was more deserving here—both MacLaine and Winger are terrific and both have equal opportunity to shine. 1983 was a great year for female performances.
The film is episodic and jumps ahead in time, but it never feels jarring and the transitions are done smoothly and skillfully. The film clips along real nice with its just over 2hrs runtime and amongst the human drama\tragedy, is a beautiful blend of humor that pretty much nails everything within its presentation. MacLaine has me on the floor in a few occasions. I adore this film as well, Mr. Toasty. As far as Nicholson's win, I think the Academy just adores Jack Nicholson. I thought he was very charming, but I also think he was totally playing himself. Lithgow was nominated for his role? Wow. Okay. I would have loved to see how the final votes for 1983 Best Actress tallied up. I am thinking that Debra Winger might have come in second place, after MacLaine. As far as Shirley MacLaine's performance, I think she is excellent and there's no way in the world she was not going to win the Oscar for this role. I also think it is the last really good performance she has given (from what I have seen, anyway). She must have wanted that Oscar badly, and ever since she won for "Terms", she has done nothing but coast on good will. Almost overnight, she turned into a caricature and parts of Aurora Greenway have been popping up in all the characters she has played ever since. So good for her, she showed off her talent big time and it paid off with an Academy Award, then after that she stopped trying. But I get it. That's cool. Good will must feel very nice, indeed. |
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 4:51:17 GMT
We are in agreement again, though I love Nicholson in this movie and have no problem with his Oscar win. It is his most charming performance imo, and he is my favorite actor so I am more than a little biased. With that being said, this is one of his best performances as far as I'm concerned. He is more subtle here than he normally is and he exudes this sweetness that I don't normally associate with him.
John Lithgow's nomination is ridiculous though, especially since he was just nominated the year before.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 3, 2018 7:56:48 GMT
We are in agreement again, though I love Nicholson in this movie and have no problem with his Oscar win. It is his most charming performance imo, and he is my favorite actor so I am more than a little biased. With that being said, this is one of his best performances as far as I'm concerned. He is more subtle here than he normally is and he exudes this sweetness that I don't normally associate with him. John Lithgow's nomination is ridiculous though, especially since he was just nominated the year before. It wasn't a strong year for supporting actor and someone had to win and Nicholson was the popular choice in a popular film:
Nicholson for Terms
Charles Durning - The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas
John Lithgow for Terms
Sam Shepard - The Right Stuff
Rip Torn - Cross Creek
I don't think it really matters that Lithgow was nominated the year before. Many actors have been nominated consecutive years, it was like you have suggested, a ridiculous nomination and undeserving.
While Nicholson had some charm, it wasn't exactly a layered or nuanced role. He also improvised a lot too apparently. This was much of Nicholson just doing what he does, being partly himself and getting rewarded for it. Apparently it was a part written with Burt Reynolds in mind but he couldn't do it due to another of his flop movie commitments. I found Nicholson so much more appealing in the 70's.
Jeff Daniels was more deserving of a slot over this anemic bunch and Robert Loggia from Scarface. Martin Sheen as well for The Dead Zone, who gave quite a chilling performance. I am a fan of both these actors.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 3, 2018 8:17:48 GMT
1983's best picture of the year winner and one that gets me everytime , even though I tell myself I am not going to this time. It doesn't work.
While I don't get Nicholson's Oscar win and Lithgow's support nomination—Daniel's was more deserving here—both MacLaine and Winger are terrific and both have equal opportunity to shine. 1983 was a great year for female performances.
The film is episodic and jumps ahead in time, but it never feels jarring and the transitions are done smoothly and skillfully. The film clips along real nice with its just over 2hrs runtime and amongst the human drama\tragedy, is a beautiful blend of humor that pretty much nails everything within its presentation. MacLaine has me on the floor in a few occasions. I adore this film as well, Mr. Toasty. As far as Nicholson's win, I think the Academy just adores Jack Nicholson. I thought he was very charming, but I also think he was totally playing himself. Lithgow was nominated for his role? Wow. Okay. I would have loved to see how the final votes for 1983 Best Actress tallied up. I am thinking that Debra Winger might have come in second place, after MacLaine. As far as Shirley MacLaine's performance, I think she is excellent and there's no way in the world she was not going to win the Oscar for this role. I also think it is the last really good performance she has given (from what I have seen, anyway). She must have wanted that Oscar badly, and ever since she won for "Terms", she has done nothing but coast on good will. Almost overnight, she turned into a caricature and parts of Aurora Greenway have been popping up in all the characters she has played ever since. So good for her, she showed off her talent big time and it paid off with an Academy Award, then after that she stopped trying. But I get it. That's cool. Good will must feel very nice, indeed. Of the 5 nominees, the only one I am not so certain of is Jane Alexander for Testament. It was a t.v. movie given a theatrical release and while she was very good, I think Barbara Hershey was more deserving for The Entity, she was terrific. Of course though, horror films tend to get the s<>t end of the stick with the Academy.
Back to MacLaine, it would have perhaps been a travesty if she didn't win, because she was so terrific and toiled for a long time with several nominations under her belt, but by the same token, the competition was very strong that if she didn't win and say Winger won, or Walters or Streep, I doubt that would have been seen as travesty either. I also feel that Winger perhaps had the more difficult role as well, although they both had their own layers they brought to each of their character and Aurora went through a big change\transition as well.
I did like MacLaine in Steel Magnolias - 89' and Postcard From The Edge - 90'.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 11:20:11 GMT
We are in agreement again, though I love Nicholson in this movie and have no problem with his Oscar win. It is his most charming performance imo, and he is my favorite actor so I am more than a little biased. With that being said, this is one of his best performances as far as I'm concerned. He is more subtle here than he normally is and he exudes this sweetness that I don't normally associate with him. John Lithgow's nomination is ridiculous though, especially since he was just nominated the year before. It wasn't a strong year for supporting actor and someone had to win and Nicholson was the popular choice in a popular film:
Nicholson for Terms
Charles Durning - The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas
John Lithgow for Terms
Sam Shepard - The Right Stuff
Rip Torn - Cross Creek
I don't think it really matters that Lithgow was nominated the year before. Many actors have been nominated consecutive years, it was like you have suggested, a ridiculous nomination and undeserving.
While Nicholson had some charm, it wasn't exactly a layered or nuanced role. He also improvised a lot too apparently. This was much of Nicholson just doing what he does, being partly himself and getting rewarded for it. Apparently it was a part written with Burt Reynolds in mind but he couldn't do it due to another of his flop movie commitments. I found Nicholson so much more appealing in the 70's.
Jeff Daniels was more deserving of a slot over this anemic bunch and Robert Loggia from Scarface. Martin Sheen as well for The Dead Zone, who gave quite a chilling performance. I am a fan of both these actors.
I disagree with Robert Loggia and especially Martin Sheen. I actually don't find his performance very effective in The Dead Zone. It is a bit pointless to argue over who deserves nominations because it is all personal preference. I was just saying that I personally adore Nicholson's performance in Terms of Endearment and have no problem with his win. I actually like Rip Torn's performance quite a bit in Cross Creek. I do agree that Loggia deserved a nomination over Durning, Shephard and Lithgow though. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 3, 2018 11:54:52 GMT
It wasn't a strong year for supporting actor and someone had to win and Nicholson was the popular choice in a popular film:
Nicholson for Terms
Charles Durning - The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas
John Lithgow for Terms
Sam Shepard - The Right Stuff
Rip Torn - Cross Creek
I don't think it really matters that Lithgow was nominated the year before. Many actors have been nominated consecutive years, it was like you have suggested, a ridiculous nomination and undeserving.
While Nicholson had some charm, it wasn't exactly a layered or nuanced role. He also improvised a lot too apparently. This was much of Nicholson just doing what he does, being partly himself and getting rewarded for it. Apparently it was a part written with Burt Reynolds in mind but he couldn't do it due to another of his flop movie commitments. I found Nicholson so much more appealing in the 70's.
Jeff Daniels was more deserving of a slot over this anemic bunch and Robert Loggia from Scarface. Martin Sheen as well for The Dead Zone, who gave quite a chilling performance. I am a fan of both these actors.
I disagree with Robert Loggia and especially Martin Sheen. I actually don't find his performance very effective in The Dead Zone. It is a bit pointless to argue over who deserves nominations because it is all personal preference. I was just saying that I personally adore Nicholson's performance in Terms of Endearment and have no problem with his win. I actually like Rip Torn's performance quite a bit in Cross Creek. I do agree that Loggia deserved a nomination over Durning, Shephard and Lithgow though. I wasn't meaning for Loggia to replace Nicholson, who at least had some umph regarding his performance.
I haven't seen Shepard's or Torn films so can't comment here.
Scarface is now a classic, and Loggia would more remembered for this film, than Torn in Cross Creek, a film I doubt hardly anyone today has heard of or will even care about.
Yes, it could be considered pointless arguing because it is all subjective, but some performances do stand out more than others and the Academy often gets it wrong. They deserve to be ridiculed for the blunders in choices they make, only if to show what a farce it is. At any rate Jeff Daniels should have got the second support nod for Terms and perhaps have even won over Nicholson to my mind.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 12:09:25 GMT
I disagree with Robert Loggia and especially Martin Sheen. I actually don't find his performance very effective in The Dead Zone. It is a bit pointless to argue over who deserves nominations because it is all personal preference. I was just saying that I personally adore Nicholson's performance in Terms of Endearment and have no problem with his win. I actually like Rip Torn's performance quite a bit in Cross Creek. I do agree that Loggia deserved a nomination over Durning, Shephard and Lithgow though. I haven't seen Shepard's or Torn films so can't comment here.
Scarface is now a classic, and Loggia would more remembered for this film, than Torn in Cross Creek, a film I doubt hardly anyone today has heard of or will even care about.
Yes, it could be considered pointless arguing because it is all subjective, but some performances do stand out more than others and the Academy often gets it wrong. They deserve to be ridiculed for the blunders in choices they make, only if to show what a farce it is. At any rate Jeff Daniels should have got the second support nod for Terms and perhaps have even won over Nicholson to my mind.
Yes they do, but not objectively. You consider Martin Sheen to be a stand-out performance in The Dead Zone, while I don't think his performance stands out at all. I think his performance is flat out mediocre, while you think it is award worthy. I think that Loggia only stands out because of the movie his in more than the performance itself. It is certainly a good performance, just not anything I would write home about. I think Cross Creek is a good movie and Rip Torn, Mary Steenburgen and Alfre Woodward (my choice for Supporting Actress win that year) all give memorable performances imo. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 3, 2018 21:53:31 GMT
I haven't seen Shepard's or Torn films so can't comment here.
Scarface is now a classic, and Loggia would more remembered for this film, than Torn in Cross Creek, a film I doubt hardly anyone today has heard of or will even care about.
Yes, it could be considered pointless arguing because it is all subjective, but some performances do stand out more than others and the Academy often gets it wrong. They deserve to be ridiculed for the blunders in choices they make, only if to show what a farce it is. At any rate Jeff Daniels should have got the second support nod for Terms and perhaps have even won over Nicholson to my mind.
Yes they do, but not objectively. You consider Martin Sheen to be a stand-out performance in The Dead Zone, while I don't think his performance stands out at all. I think his performance is flat out mediocre, while you think it is award worthy. I think that Loggia only stands out because of the movie his in more than the performance itself. It is certainly a good performance, just not anything I would write home about. I think Cross Creek is a good movie and Rip Torn, Mary Steenburgen and Alfre Woodward (my choice for Supporting Actress win that year) all give memorable performances imo. I guess you are right about Sheen in DZ and I don't think he was a standout, but he was better than Lithgow at any rate. Loggia is so good in films, that he makes it seem like he is not acting at all.
I would need to see CC, before I give any sort of informed opinion.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Nov 4, 2018 3:51:02 GMT
1983's best picture of the year winner and one that gets me everytime , even though I tell myself I am not going to this time. It doesn't work.
While I don't get Nicholson's Oscar win and Lithgow's support nomination—Daniels was more deserving here—both MacLaine and Winger are terrific and both have equal opportunity to shine. 1983 was a great year for female performances.
The film is episodic and jumps ahead in time, but it never feels jarring and the transitions are done smoothly and skillfully. The film clips along real nice with its just over 2hrs runtime and amongst the human drama\tragedy, is a beautiful blend of humor that pretty much nails everything within its presentation. MacLaine has me on the floor in a few occasions. Agree with you on Jeff Daniels. I've talked about his performance since the movie was released, as is generally considererd a dick in the movie. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 4, 2018 5:09:06 GMT
1983's best picture of the year winner and one that gets me everytime , even though I tell myself I am not going to this time. It doesn't work.
While I don't get Nicholson's Oscar win and Lithgow's support nomination—Daniels was more deserving here—both MacLaine and Winger are terrific and both have equal opportunity to shine. 1983 was a great year for female performances.
The film is episodic and jumps ahead in time, but it never feels jarring and the transitions are done smoothly and skillfully. The film clips along real nice with its just over 2hrs runtime and amongst the human drama\tragedy, is a beautiful blend of humor that pretty much nails everything within its presentation. MacLaine has me on the floor in a few occasions. Agree with you on Jeff Daniels. I've talked about his performance since the movie was released, as is generally considererd a dick in the movie. And regardless of what his character is considered, it still shouldn't take away from his performance, contribution and impact within the film. Daniels was underscored by Nicholson who didn't posses any of the layer or depth that Daniels did and neither did Lithgow who got a throwaway nomination.
All considering too, Emma had an affair as well, yet she gets a free pass because she was supposedly doing something altruistic towards Lithgow because his wife had a bad back and he couldn't have sex with her. 
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Post by Sir_Farty_Fartsalot on Nov 4, 2018 6:08:00 GMT
Yeah, it's a pretty good film w/ great performances.
I don't love the film as much as my mother does though, ha
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Nov 4, 2018 6:55:43 GMT
Agree with you on Jeff Daniels. I've talked about his performance since the movie was released, as is generally considererd a dick in the movie. And regardless of what his character is considered, it still shouldn't take away from his performance, contribution and impact within the film. Daniels was underscored by Nicholson who didn't posses any of the layer or depth that Daniels did and neither did Lithgow who got a throwaway nomination.
All considering too, Emma had an affair as well, yet she gets a free pass because she was supposedly doing something altruistic towards Lithgow because his wife had a bad back and he couldn't have sex with her.
Emma was getting even. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 4, 2018 7:00:12 GMT
And regardless of what his character is considered, it still shouldn't take away from his performance, contribution and impact within the film. Daniels was underscored by Nicholson who didn't posses any of the layer or depth that Daniels did and neither did Lithgow who got a throwaway nomination.
All considering too, Emma had an affair as well, yet she gets a free pass because she was supposedly doing something altruistic towards Lithgow because his wife had a bad back and he couldn't have sex with her.
Emma was getting even. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It doesn't make Emma any better than Flap if she was getting even.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Nov 4, 2018 7:15:43 GMT
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It doesn't make Emma any better than Flap if she was getting even.
TC, it's a movie |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 4, 2018 7:21:32 GMT
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It doesn't make Emma any better than Flap if she was getting even.
TC, it's a movie It is about the messages\themes and that relates to our everyday lives as well. |
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, even though I tell myself I am not going to this time. It doesn't work. 
