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Post by politicidal on Nov 3, 2018 18:19:55 GMT
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 5, 2018 19:55:52 GMT
As this video explains, Lucasfilm still doesn't get it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 6, 2018 4:19:09 GMT
As this video explains, Lucasfilm still doesn't get it. I wholeheartedly agree. They still think that this is about marketing and timing. Let them keep basing their decisions off of that... After episode IX there might be a new trivia question: What do Kathleen Kennedy/JJ Abrams and Edward John Smith have in common? (Or what do Disney Star Wars and the Titanic have in common?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 4:31:26 GMT
I sure hope they use the treatment I wrote for this one.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 6, 2018 5:10:08 GMT
I sure hope they use the treatment I wrote for this one. Please do tell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 5:28:20 GMT
I sure hope they use the treatment I wrote for this one. Please do tell. I'm going to have to find it either here, the Jedi Forums, or the IMDB clone sites. I've told it before, but it looks back to Jakku and how it was a boom town in the years following the battle as a profitable junk world before the profits dwindled. How the map to Skywalker was the map to Ahch-To, and hidden away on the empire's flag ship. Removed from the empires database by the emperor himself before his demise, and before R2 copied the map. And with the Force, TLJ actually fit perfectly with the scenes with Luke explaining it, about Jedi vanity. And even Rose's cringey line about saving what we love. Although it shouldn't have come from her and been so sappy in wording. Like I said, there's more but I have to dig it up. Of course, they prolly don't want to pay me properly, so we will get what JJ wants.
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 6, 2018 12:21:23 GMT
Lucasfilm still doesn't get it. I wholeheartedly agree. They still think that this is about marketing and timing. Let them keep basing their decisions off of that... After episode IX there might be a new trivia question: What do Kathleen Kennedy/JJ Abrams and Edward John Smith have in common? (Or what do Disney Star Wars and the Titanic have in common?) Answer: They were sunk by hubris.
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Post by audiosane on Nov 8, 2018 21:29:49 GMT
Good. Maybe they'll find a bigger iceberg this time.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 9, 2018 14:43:05 GMT
that's supposed to be their remediation strategy? Color me unimpressed. Most unimressed.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 15:34:51 GMT
The part in the article that makes me go "huh?" is this: "...Abrams' latest is also a film that practically sells itself. It's the final chapter of a story audiences have been following for more than four decades and will definitely be positioned as a must-see cinematic event."
Is it? Han is dead, Luke is dead, does anyone really care about old Leia who barely does anything, especially now that Carrie Fisher is dead?
And how is this the end of the Skywalker saga again? There aren't any Skywalkers in it. Leia doesn't count because how much can they possibly do with unused footage? Kylo is a Solo, and bad guy, who acts like a dick. And it turned out Rey isn't a Skywalker. If she had it could be said to be the end of the Skywalker saga... maybe. As far as I'm concerned TLJ was the end of the Skywalker saga.
I will never understand why the decision was made not to have Han, Luke and Leia altogether again while the actors were all alive. If you were JJ Abrams and had been given the chance to bring them all back together why wouldn't you do that?!
I don't get any of it...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 16:05:09 GMT
The part in the article that makes me go "huh?" is this: "...Abrams' latest is also a film that practically sells itself. It's the final chapter of a story audiences have been following for more than four decades and will definitely be positioned as a must-see cinematic event."
Is it? Han is dead, Luke is dead, does anyone really care about old Leia who barely does anything, especially now that Carrie Fisher is dead?
And how is this the end of the Skywalker saga again? There aren't any Skywalkers in it. Leia doesn't count because how much can they possibly do with unused footage? Kylo is a Solo, and bad guy, who acts like a dick. And it turned out Rey isn't a Skywalker. If she had it could be said to be the end of the Skywalker saga... maybe. As far as I'm concerned TLJ was the end of the Skywalker saga.
I will never understand why the decision was made not to have Han, Luke and Leia altogether again while the actors were all alive. If you were JJ Abrams and had been given the chance to bring them all back together why wouldn't you do that?!
I don't get any of it... So does that mean you are checking out? Or can I save you a seat? I'll be there with bells on to see if they can pull it off. This is indeed the payoff to over 40 years of following this saga. It could be a triumph, it could be a disaster, or it could be a teddy bear picnic. I have no idea, but I'm not going to miss it if I can help it.
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 23, 2018 16:10:26 GMT
The part in the article that makes me go "huh?" is this: "...Abrams' latest is also a film that practically sells itself. It's the final chapter of a story audiences have been following for more than four decades and will definitely be positioned as a must-see cinematic event."
Is it? Han is dead, Luke is dead, does anyone really care about old Leia who barely does anything, especially now that Carrie Fisher is dead? The analogy I use with the sequel trilogy is that of a beloved dog. Imagine that the OT was a beloved dog that had been dead for several years. J.J. Abrams said with TFA, "Look, I can create a clone your of old dog. The clone looks like your dog, he sounds like your dog, he smells like your dog, he is your dog. And while some fans would have a preferred a new dog, most were happy to get their old dog back. Then with the TLJ, Rian Johnson screwed the pooch, set it on fire, and then took a pickaxe to its charred remains. And now J.J. is back saying, "I'm going to take the dog for a walk in new and exciting places!" Excuse me? The dog is dead. The dog will never walk again. It's over!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 16:24:01 GMT
The part in the article that makes me go "huh?" is this: "...Abrams' latest is also a film that practically sells itself. It's the final chapter of a story audiences have been following for more than four decades and will definitely be positioned as a must-see cinematic event."
Is it? Han is dead, Luke is dead, does anyone really care about old Leia who barely does anything, especially now that Carrie Fisher is dead?
And how is this the end of the Skywalker saga again? There aren't any Skywalkers in it. Leia doesn't count because how much can they possibly do with unused footage? Kylo is a Solo, and bad guy, who acts like a dick. And it turned out Rey isn't a Skywalker. If she had it could be said to be the end of the Skywalker saga... maybe. As far as I'm concerned TLJ was the end of the Skywalker saga.
I will never understand why the decision was made not to have Han, Luke and Leia altogether again while the actors were all alive. If you were JJ Abrams and had been given the chance to bring them all back together why wouldn't you do that?!
I don't get any of it... So does that mean you are checking out? Or can I save you a seat? I'll be there with bells on to see if they can pull it off. This is indeed the payoff to over 40 years of following this saga. It could be a triumph, it could be a disaster, or it could be a teddy bear picnic. I have no idea, but I'm not going to miss it if I can help it. Oh no, you can totally save me a seat! It's Star Wars. I even went to see Solo opening weekend. I talk a lot of shit, but I'm totally going!
Only, I'm just not as enthused about this one. For me the whole point of doing more SW movies was the chance to see Luke again hopefully kicking ass. We didn't get that. Shit, 80 year Christopher Lee kicked more ass as Dooku!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 16:32:32 GMT
The part in the article that makes me go "huh?" is this: "...Abrams' latest is also a film that practically sells itself. It's the final chapter of a story audiences have been following for more than four decades and will definitely be positioned as a must-see cinematic event."
Is it? Han is dead, Luke is dead, does anyone really care about old Leia who barely does anything, especially now that Carrie Fisher is dead? The analogy I use with the sequel trilogy is that of a beloved dog. Imagine that the OT was a beloved dog that had been dead for several years. J.J. Abrams said with TFA, "Look, I can create a clone your of old dog. The clone looks like your dog, he sounds like your dog, he smells like your dog, he is your dog. And while some fans would have a preferred a new dog, most were happy to get their old dog back. Then with the TLJ, Rian Johnson screwed the pooch, set it on fire, and then took a pickaxe to its charred remains. And now J.J. is back saying, "I'm going to take the dog for a walk in new and exciting places!" Excuse me? The dog is dead. The dog will never walk again. It's over! TFA at LEAST set up the chance for new possibilities though. All TLJ did was end them. There's only one loose thread I want see what happens with: The Jedi Text. And maybe, MAYBE, the Knights of Ren(?) since Rian Johnson decided not to even touch upon that.
I don't care enough about anything else to get jazzed up again. Poe is kinda cool, but anyone can be a kinda cool X-Wing pilot. I was hoping Finn would be a jedi, but no. I was hoping Kylo would be redeemable, but no. I was hoping Rey would be more relevant and fully fledged, but no. And the OT characters are dead. I don't care to see Luke as a force ghost. So.....?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 17:02:23 GMT
The analogy I use with the sequel trilogy is that of a beloved dog. Imagine that the OT was a beloved dog that had been dead for several years. J.J. Abrams said with TFA, "Look, I can create a clone your of old dog. The clone looks like your dog, he sounds like your dog, he smells like your dog, he is your dog. And while some fans would have a preferred a new dog, most were happy to get their old dog back. Then with the TLJ, Rian Johnson screwed the pooch, set it on fire, and then took a pickaxe to its charred remains. And now J.J. is back saying, "I'm going to take the dog for a walk in new and exciting places!" Excuse me? The dog is dead. The dog will never walk again. It's over! TFA at LEAST set up the chance for new possibilities though. All TLJ did was end them. There's only one loose thread I want see what happens with: The Jedi Text. And maybe, MAYBE, the Knights of Ren(?) since Rian Johnson decided not to even touch upon that.
I don't care enough about anything else to get jazzed up again. Poe is kinda cool, but anyone can be a kinda cool X-Wing pilot. I was hoping Finn would be a jedi, but no. I was hoping Kylo would be redeemable, but no. I was hoping Rey would be more relevant and fully fledged, but no. And the OT characters are dead. I don't care to see Luke as a force ghost. So.....?
I'm not so sure that as many possibilities are gone as one would think. Rey's parents were revealed, but the family she wanted to return to? I personally doubt that we've seen that yet. And I personally don't believe Luke is dead. I think he became one with the the Force while alive and will complete something that has been building since Jinn was able to contact Yoda so long ago in this saga. Something "more powerful than you can imagine" Time to go back to Jakku and finally bring in all the footage that was moved from TFA to episode 9 and complete the plot twist I've personally believed to be in the works since I saw TFA the second time opening weekend 2015. I believe Rey isn't fully fledged because it hasn't been time for that yet. We've been left to fill in the blanks. I think we overall don't realize we have made up a backstory in the mind's of the overall fandom, and we've been schnookered. Could I be wrong? Sure I could! But I've enjoyed trying to make sense of this story for the last 3 years instead of trying to make nonsense of it, and I find that much more enjoyable.
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 23, 2018 17:08:33 GMT
TFA at LEAST set up the chance for new possibilities though. All TLJ did was end them. There's only one loose thread I want see what happens with: The Jedi Text. And maybe, MAYBE, the Knights of Ren(?) since Rian Johnson decided not to even touch upon that. I don't care enough about anything else to get jazzed up again. My interest and enthusiasm for new Disney Star Wars content evaporated after TLJ. I am more excited about watching Episode IX fail at the box office than I am about watching the film in theaters.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 18:07:24 GMT
TFA at LEAST set up the chance for new possibilities though. All TLJ did was end them. There's only one loose thread I want see what happens with: The Jedi Text. And maybe, MAYBE, the Knights of Ren(?) since Rian Johnson decided not to even touch upon that.
And I personally don't believe Luke is dead. I think he became one with the the Force while alive and will complete something that has been building since Jinn was able to contact Yoda so long ago in this saga. Something "more powerful than you can imagine" Someone else, maybe you(?) also posted his hope that Luke would just come back alive instead of dead as a force ghost. I don't think the gods will favor us that way, but if it did happen I would be all for it.
However, if EP 9 is to be the last in the Skywalker saga how much ass is Luke going to have to kick to course correct? The Resistance is down to so few people they fit in the Millenium Falcon; Rey STILL isn't fully trained, and Kylo is still a dick. And if he's NOT dead then why didn't he just appear himself (in TLJ) instead of projecting an illusion from planets away? And how will they explain away that both Leia and Rey "felt" him die?
Arrrgh! They just fucked it up...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 18:19:04 GMT
TFA at LEAST set up the chance for new possibilities though. All TLJ did was end them. There's only one loose thread I want see what happens with: The Jedi Text. And maybe, MAYBE, the Knights of Ren(?) since Rian Johnson decided not to even touch upon that. I don't care enough about anything else to get jazzed up again. My interest and enthusiasm for new Disney Star Wars content evaporated after TLJ. I am more excited about watching Episode IX fail at the box office than I am about watching the film in theaters. Well that's just a jerk move. I'm more interested in the franchise righting itself than seeing it fail. Its still Star Wars, one of the greatest franchises, if not THE greatest, and a pop culture staple; with great future potential.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 18:36:01 GMT
And I personally don't believe Luke is dead. I think he became one with the the Force while alive and will complete something that has been building since Jinn was able to contact Yoda so long ago in this saga. Something "more powerful than you can imagine" Someone else, maybe you(?) also posted his hope that Luke would just come back alive instead of dead as a force ghost. I don't think the gods will favor us that way, but if it did happen I would be all for it.
However, if EP 9 is to be the last in the Skywalker saga how much ass is Luke going to have to kick to course correct? The Resistance is down to so few people they fit in the Millenium Falcon; Rey STILL isn't fully trained, and Kylo is still a dick. And if he's NOT dead then why didn't he just appear himself (in TLJ) instead of projecting an illusion from planets away? And how will they explain away that both Leia and Rey "felt" him die?
Arrrgh! They just fucked it up... Lol we will see. It's a space opera, there are supposed to be unanswered questions now. We will see how JJ handles it. There is room for great failure or great reward. I see more than one way to take this story to great reward, I see ways to make it a failure. One would hope that he chooses reward. Just remember there was enough story on Jakku cut out to make Constable Zuvio disappear and Lor San Tekka, Max Von Sydow, become a bit player. Maybe Rey learned something from them in the years leading to this story, maybe she didn't. We just don't know.... Yet. But boy if she did, when she finds out what happened to San Tekka at Kylo's hand, is she ever going to be pissed. Those big ole teeth will bare like never before! I see Luke becoming one with the Force in life to project himself to protect his friends, like he always did, something he should have done years before (and I'll agree the story is screwed up there). I see that act as possibly making him more than the blue ghost. A living Force entity. If Rey and Leia felt anything, it may be that. Luke's greatest triumph came when he decided he wasn't meant to kick ass. When he stood up to evil with nothing but blind Faith. And won. And I could be dead wrong. If I am, oh well, I'm wrong. But it ain't over until it's over. And I would rather play this game than the tired look for the piece of the story I can make nonsense of game.
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 23, 2018 18:49:17 GMT
My interest and enthusiasm for new Disney Star Wars content evaporated after TLJ. I am more excited about watching Episode IX fail at the box office than I am about watching the film in theaters. Well that's just a jerk move. I'm more interested in the franchise righting itself than seeing it fail. Its still Star Wars, one of the greatest franchises, if not THE greatest, and a pop culture staple; with great future potential.
Perhaps I didn't explain my position adequately. If I thought the franchise still had the ability to right itself, I would still be supportive. However, I believe that TLJ damaged the franchise beyond repair. That's why I'm more interested in seeing what happens at the box office than seeing the film. I have no doubt that Episode IX will turn a profit regardless of what I do.
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