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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 4, 2018 16:26:26 GMT
Don't get me wrong, The Dark Knight is a great piece of cinematic art for comic book movies, but there is a lot you can really pick apart with that film, and for all it's flaws and nitpicks, I feel like they get a passed because of Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker. Which is fine, because he totally elevates the film. But I'm just watching Batman Begins right now on AMC, and it just seems so much rounder and the pace flows better, plus it's fun watching a good adaption of Year One and how he became Batman. Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine are just a joy to watch as well and Bale's Batman voice is more tolerable in this one. And I love his Bruce Wayne too and playing up the "wreckless billionaire". There's a good balance of the tone and taking things seriously, but doesn't neglect the humor completely.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 4, 2018 17:00:15 GMT
Nah I think overall TDK is solid from start to finish. Begins is great with the first 2 acts, but the final 30 minutes doesnt do it for me. The lighting is way too dark and visually its very frustrating to make out the action.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 4, 2018 17:07:54 GMT
Yes. I’ve been saying this since they came out.
I saw TDK relatively recently and liked it a lot more than I did the first time around, but I still think Batman Begins is the better movie. You’re right about everything’s seeming to flow better, the humor and the tone. I didn’t realize until I saw The Phantom Menace how much Neeson cleverly replicates and tweaks his Qui-Gon characterization for, um, Henri Ducard (and, no, I did not see the twist coming when I first saw the movie). It’s everything a superhero movie should be, and a bit more. Pity it doesn’t have a better title, but that’s really a nitpick.
I’ve criticized Nolan before for neglecting the human element in favor of plot-twists (Nolan probably would have written detective stories if he’d been alive in the ‘30s—he loves twists and fair-play cluing so much), but here, as in The Prestige, he finds the perfect balance.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 4, 2018 17:50:01 GMT
Batman Begins 9/10
The Dark Knight 6/10
The Dark Knight Rises 6/10
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Post by politicidal on Nov 4, 2018 18:21:54 GMT
I do. It packs a lot of plot and characters but doesn't feel bogged down or messy which I think people sometimes forget. It's actually my favorite superhero movie.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 5, 2018 3:22:38 GMT
I feel like The Dark Knight is the better film overall but Batman Begins is the better Batman movie. It’s the perfect balance of grounded realism, Christopher Nolan, and comic book movie.
TDK, to me, is a straight up action crime thriller in the vein of Michael Mann... and the Joker steals the show.
So I definitely like Batman Begins a bit more but it’s not the better movie, imo.
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 5, 2018 6:10:47 GMT
It fluctuates they are both Good. During and right after I'd put TDK over BB. After 10 years and going back and watching them? I'd put BB over TDK. Still both up there for me in my favorite movies of all time. I will watch one or both every year or so.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 5, 2018 9:48:04 GMT
Nah, The Dark Knight is a superior film that still hasn't been topped to this day.
Batman Begins is a solid origin film that other CBM's should take note of.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Nov 5, 2018 15:52:02 GMT
Yes, and I always have liked it more for the reasons others have already listed.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 5, 2018 16:31:58 GMT
Liam Neeson really gave a criminally underrated performance and I think he had a tougher sell than Heath Ledger. While Ledger's performance was great by all accounts, it's easier to portray a crazy guy with no real motive behind it other than "for the evulz", whereas Neeson had to really sell you on his character's motivation of destroying Gotham and ridding of it of crime, and this scene really depicts that.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 5, 2018 20:16:56 GMT
On par. Both brilliant achievements in their own right. BB may have had too many villains for an origin story.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 6, 2018 1:25:28 GMT
I do. The only thing TDK does better than BB is the villain. Everything else BB does better.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 6, 2018 3:21:17 GMT
Liam Neeson really gave a criminally underrated performance and I think he had a tougher sell than Heath Ledger. While Ledger's performance was great by all accounts, it's easier to portray a crazy guy with no real motive behind it other than "for the evulz", whereas Neeson had to really sell you on his character's motivation of destroying Gotham and ridding of it of crime, and this scene really depicts that. “for the evulz” 😂 😂 😂 I will use that now and forever |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 7:04:23 GMT
Yes but I was never a big fan of the Nolan movies. 
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Post by James on Nov 7, 2018 13:31:08 GMT
No, I much prefer TDK. Begins is good, though.
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Post by James on Nov 7, 2018 13:32:03 GMT
Yes but I was never a big fan of the Nolan movies. Do you find the first 4 Burton and Schumacher movies are better? |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 7, 2018 17:14:38 GMT
The Dark Knight is a great film but, there is something sterile and academic about it. It's a cerebral meditation on crime and chaos that impresses with its heady ideas but, gets lost in its own grandeur. Ironically, The Dark Knight is an inferior film to Batman Begins because it comes off as too self-aware of just how good it is.
Batman Begins is a much more visceral experience. It deftly mixes camp, gothic horror, fantasy, and action-adventure. It's an origin story for the ages that registers like a gut punch in its pivotal moments. It is the beautiful, impressionist painting to The Dark Knight's more formal and stilted treatise.
Neeson is flawless in Batman Begins and Bale delivers a psychologically complex performance without resorting to the face-straining intensity or maudlin stares of later installments. You register conflict and duality within Bruce Wayne at nearly all times. You see the struggle between man and the "other" on his face and in his eyes.
There is a moment in the movie (you know it when you see it) where the Batman devours the man and Bruce Wayne, as a distinct individual, ceases to exist. It's like an inverted exorcism when you watch the performance. The Batman has, metaphorically locked Bruce Wayne away and taken over his life. Bruce Wayne becomes the mask and Batman the living, breathing entity.
Batman Begins is a near-perfect gem.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 7, 2018 23:32:36 GMT
The Dark Knight is a great film but, there is something sterile and academic about it. It's a cerebral meditation on crime and chaos that impresses with its heady ideas but, gets lost in its own grandeur. Ironically, The Dark Knight is an inferior film to Batman Begins because it comes off as too self-aware of just how good it is. Batman Begins is a much more visceral experience. It deftly mixes camp, gothic horror, fantasy, and action-adventure. It's an origin story for the ages that registers like a gut punch in its pivotal moments. It is the beautiful, impressionist painting to The Dark Knight's more formal and stilted treatise. Neeson is flawless in Batman Begins and Bale delivers a psychologically complex performance without resorting to the face-straining intensity or maudlin stares of later installments. You register conflict and duality within Bruce Wayne at nearly all times. You see the struggle between man and the "other" on his face and in his eyes. There is a moment in the movie (you know it when you see it) where the Batman devours the man and Bruce Wayne, as a distinct individual, ceases to exist. It's like an inverted exorcism when you watch the performance. The Batman has, metaphorically locked Bruce Wayne away and taken over his life. Bruce Wayne becomes the mask and Batman the living, breathing entity. Batman Begins is a near-perfect gem. The only thing that kept BB from belonging in my all time favorite CBM's was it's crappy action scenes. Though it still had far better action scenes than TDK and TDKR. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 23:42:29 GMT
Yes, because it was the only time the Nolan Batman films didn't have its head up its own ass.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 7, 2018 23:51:53 GMT
The Dark Knight is a great film but, there is something sterile and academic about it. It's a cerebral meditation on crime and chaos that impresses with its heady ideas but, gets lost in its own grandeur. Ironically, The Dark Knight is an inferior film to Batman Begins because it comes off as too self-aware of just how good it is. Batman Begins is a much more visceral experience. It deftly mixes camp, gothic horror, fantasy, and action-adventure. It's an origin story for the ages that registers like a gut punch in its pivotal moments. It is the beautiful, impressionist painting to The Dark Knight's more formal and stilted treatise. Neeson is flawless in Batman Begins and Bale delivers a psychologically complex performance without resorting to the face-straining intensity or maudlin stares of later installments. You register conflict and duality within Bruce Wayne at nearly all times. You see the struggle between man and the "other" on his face and in his eyes. There is a moment in the movie (you know it when you see it) where the Batman devours the man and Bruce Wayne, as a distinct individual, ceases to exist. It's like an inverted exorcism when you watch the performance. The Batman has, metaphorically locked Bruce Wayne away and taken over his life. Bruce Wayne becomes the mask and Batman the living, breathing entity. Batman Begins is a near-perfect gem. The only thing that kept BB from belonging in my all time favorite CBM's was it's crappy action scenes. Though it still had far better action scenes than TDK and TDKR. I’ve heard this criticism a lot about Batman Begins. I know I’m in the minority when I say that I didn’t think the action scenes were poor so much as they were minimalistic and understated. Nolan definitely has issues with where to place the camera during action scenes and how to film them with credible rhythm and continuity. |
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