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Post by fangirl1975 on Mar 28, 2017 18:33:40 GMT
Depends on the circumstances.
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Post by Marv on Mar 28, 2017 23:40:04 GMT
If they feel they were wrong. The only opinion that should matter is their own in regards to an apology.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 29, 2017 0:11:11 GMT
Michael Richards at the Laugh Factory in 2006. Would we call those "jokes," though? Or a dude having a meltdown on stage in an absolutely despicable way? Not sure if it quite fits into the premise of the OP, is all.
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Post by Marv on Mar 29, 2017 0:20:51 GMT
Michael Richards at the Laugh Factory in 2006. Would we call those "jokes," though? Or a dude having a meltdown on stage in an absolutely despicable way? Not sure if it quite fits into the premise of the OP, is all. I wouldn't call those jokes. He felt he was being heckled and reacted. It was basically just an argument.
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Post by poelzig on Mar 29, 2017 0:21:27 GMT
Too many examples of you doing just that on this site to mention. Same goes with poelzig. That's very hurtful Takeshi.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 29, 2017 0:23:46 GMT
Would we call those "jokes," though? Or a dude having a meltdown on stage in an absolutely despicable way? Not sure if it quite fits into the premise of the OP, is all. I wouldn't call those jokes. He felt he was being heckled and reacted. It was basically just an argument. Exactly. Not saying his disgusting remarks don't warrant a strongly-worded apology but -- yeah, doesn't fit into this conversation. For the record, my answer is: no, never for a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 1:05:28 GMT
I find the idea of a comedian apologising for a joke extremely offensive. Anybody who suggests this should apologise to me immediately.
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Post by deembastille on Mar 29, 2017 1:48:19 GMT
I think the best thing to do for the viewers is to not endorse the comedian who says things you find offensive. You don't have to be vocal about it, just continue on until you find something/someone you like.
I adore Kevin Hart but get VIOLENTLY UPSET with Katt Williams. I also appreciate Gabriel Iglesias yet really dislike George Lopez. I also LOVE Steve Byrne yet can't stand Ali Wong. It has nothing to do with the joke or the content but how it is delivered and by whom.
I also really like Ralphie May and Ron White but dislike Larry the cable Guy .
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Post by deembastille on Mar 29, 2017 1:54:13 GMT
Would we call those "jokes," though? Or a dude having a meltdown on stage in an absolutely despicable way? Not sure if it quite fits into the premise of the OP, is all. I wouldn't call those jokes. He felt he was being heckled and reacted. It was basically just an argument. So, let's say a teacher is teaching and a bratty and power tripping student 'heckles' the teacher. The teacher's reaction could go either way... either you calmly and appropriately regain control of the heckler or you exacerbate the situation, lose your cool and become UNPROFESSIONAL! In any event, doesn't matter who started it, how you end it speaks volumes. I say this to my kids all the time. You wanna know why they do this? cause you react. and you know no one buys the 'he started it' nonsense. cause you finished it. all the other one wanted is for you to get in trouble for what he started. It's a trick, it's a trap, don't fall for it.
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Post by Marv on Mar 29, 2017 1:56:35 GMT
I wouldn't call those jokes. He felt he was being heckled and reacted. It was basically just an argument. So, let's say a teacher is teaching and a bratty and power tripping student 'heckles' the teacher. The teacher's reaction could go either way... either you calmly and appropriately regain control of the heckler or you exacerbate the situation, lose your cool and become UNPROFESSIONAL! In any event, doesn't matter who started it, how you end it speaks volumes. I say this to my kids all the time. You wanna know why they do this? cause you react. and you know no one buys the 'he started it' nonsense. cause you finished it. all the other one wanted is for you to get in trouble for what he started. It's a trick, it's a trap, don't fall for it.I wasn't defending what he did. Just saying what he said wasn't really jokes but rather insults during an argument.
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Post by deembastille on Mar 29, 2017 2:06:45 GMT
I didn't think you were, Melvin. but in any event, every professional has the obligation to keep their cool, no matter what is happening. He said it was anger, not racism that sparked his 'he's a n--er!' shouting. I get angry often with teaching and the crap that I have to put up with. I can't call a kid -- anything, not even lazy anymore. [ was called that many times growing up]
He is lucky. he doesn't have a license to lose if anyone gets upset. I do.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Mar 29, 2017 2:33:35 GMT
No
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 12:26:11 GMT
Anyone who insults my religion will pay a high price
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Mar 29, 2017 13:22:50 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 29, 2017 14:11:19 GMT
Anyone who insults my religion will pay a high price Why? Religion is for rubes. They should all be roundly mocked until people wake up and reject them all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 14:29:25 GMT
Absolutely not! Sick of whiney Politically Correct complaining about this or that and expecting an apology for something. To some a joke is funny to others it's not. You can't please everyone. If a person doesn't like the joke told then simply ignore it and move to the next. If you don't like a particular comedian's act then go see someone else. Comedians don't owe anyone an apology. So they can't complain, but its okay for you to complain about them complaining. Hey that's fair . Or not. Modern democracy (and the American state) evolved out of 18th Century European thought where this was the common belief regarding freedom of speech - "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Its a pity so many have forgotten thats its meant to be for all, not just for yourself and those that agree with just you. Political correctness used properly seeks to prevent abuse and in its purest form its a force for good. If you are basically a polite person than its existence shouldn't bother you and if you belief in freedom of speech you should defend to the death the rights of others to disagree with you. On the other end of the scale, there are people who use PC in a corrupt manner to bully and defame too in the same way that Jason Richards used racism to hurt someone in an argument. Again if you are basically a good person, you should easily be able to see both forms of extremism and avoid it. We are living on an ever more crowded planet. If there was ever a time that we as a species must learn how to get along with each other. Its now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 15:17:33 GMT
Anyone who insults my religion will pay a high price Your religion stinks.
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Post by shangel on Mar 29, 2017 15:57:41 GMT
Some things are off limits, even for comics, and they should be responsible enough to apologize when they cross a societal line. That's just it. Some comedians do cross the proverbial line. What comes to my mind as an example is a roast. I'll admit I love a good roast and find most of the material hilarious. Until someone will make a joke about another roast member's family/relative who happens to be deceased. I find that crap not funny at all, but of course I am talking about a roast and it appears they are "no holds barred."
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 29, 2017 16:17:41 GMT
If a comedian's joke offends someone, should they apologize for their joke? Should a comedian ever apologize for a joke? Never fucking ever.
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Post by Marv on Mar 29, 2017 16:52:10 GMT
I didn't think you were, Melvin. but in any event, every professional has the obligation to keep their cool, no matter what is happening. He said it was anger, not racism that sparked his 'he's a n--er!' shouting. I get angry often with teaching and the crap that I have to put up with. I can't call a kid -- anything, not even lazy anymore. [ was called that many times growing up] He is lucky. he doesn't have a license to lose if anyone gets upset. I do. I agree. My only point was that he wasn't telling jokes. Those were deliberate insults during a heated argument. Fact is tho, if he wouldn't have used the N-word nobody would have cared. Comedians deal with hecklers all the time. Its just that this time they recorded someone using the n-word and everyone got all high and mighty.
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