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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 5, 2018 10:53:41 GMT
This one is a bit of an oddball for me. There are some wonderful moments, but overall it is not greater than the sum of its parts.
I had a big thing for Kathleen Turner in the 80's—not sexually—and she was a strong willed female presence on screen and I think perhaps a good role model for women at the time. Her acting style appealed to me immensely, she was nuanced, natural, she made a lot out of little with her facial expressions and she could also be very funny, very sexy and both at the same time. I think she was let down by Coppola, her director, in this mixed bag of a film.
Visually, the film looks fine, it has a nice and lovely melancholy score by John Barry, the editing is good in spite of a few flat spots, it has Barbara Harris as her mother and Turner plays her role with aplomb. She does her best with what she was given to work with. The story is a bit meandering and some of its ideas are not really delved into or fully fleshed out and I feel it lacks a certain pizazz. Coppola wanted to get a nostalgic feel and give us a more adult take on Back To The Future and of relationships and the delusions that come with it. I feel he perhaps underplayed things a bit too much, when he really needed to be a bit more ballsy, or give his film more embellishment.
The films biggest flaw, and I mean this is a BIG flaw, is the casting of Nicholas Cage as Charlie and I don't usually mind Cage. He was just plain weird and creepy and bizarre. He is Coppola's nephew and if he cast him due to nepotism, I say shame on him. He ended up spoiling his own film. I think he just let Cage do whatever he wanted. There is a scene where he creeps around Peggy Sue's house on a dark shadowy night, flexing his fingers like a Frankenstein creature, sneaks into her room and picks up a pillow as though he is about to smother her just before she wakes up and all because he is cut because he found out she went out with this beatnik guy from school. I am not sure if this was meant to be humorous, but it was just strange.
Turner then acts her socks off in a basement scene in an attempt to explain herself to Cage and how she feels, and he acts all goofy and gawky—I know he is supposed to be a teenager, but this was ridiculous—and gives a lesson in hammy over-acting in an attempt to justify himself to Peggy Sue and it is embarrassing to watch. Cage isn't even that great looking either and in her previous life, Peggy Sue was supposedly madly in love with Charlie and I wasn't getting any chemistry as to why she would even bother with him to begin with.
I recall really looking forward to seeing this due to Turner and left feeling let down as an overall presentation. I then saw Crimes Of The Heart -86' soon after, which I wasn't that keen on seeing and was knocked for a six. This film knew what it wanted to be and I also found it funnier. |
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Post by nausea on Nov 5, 2018 11:00:09 GMT
She has a nine inch throbbing cock
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 5, 2018 11:04:21 GMT
She has a nine inch throbbing cock Really! Just as well they didn't show it, or the film would have been rated X. |
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Post by nausea on Nov 5, 2018 11:05:44 GMT
Is it ok to punch a Nazi?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 5, 2018 11:06:51 GMT
Is it ok to punch a Nazi? Of course, knock em out! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 11:09:51 GMT
I like that film, but agree about Cage. He was a poor casting choice, and he didn't have a lot of chemistry with Turner.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 5, 2018 11:25:03 GMT
I like that film, but agree about Cage. He was a poor casting choice, and he didn't have a lot of chemistry with Turner. Thank god, a normal post Marilyn. 
Turner has a very strong screen presence, Cage does too, but why it was thought that he was ideal for the part of Charlie is bamboozling. Chemistry is what was supposed to draw them together in the first place and while Peggy Sue wanted to change things with what she knew, she still had to come back around to Charlie and for the sake of the existence of her children. It still had to be apparent and a lure.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Nov 5, 2018 15:25:50 GMT
Toasted Cheese sums up my feelings perfectly about this movie. I like it fine, but to be honest it's a movie that I *want* to like a lot more than I do. Some parts of it are beautifully done, but as a whole it just doesn't come together completely. Coppola's library thru the 80s is filled with those kinds of movies really...good ones, but not as great as they could/should have been.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 5, 2018 23:51:19 GMT
Toasted Cheese sums up my feelings perfectly about this movie. I like it fine, but to be honest it's a movie that I *want* to like a lot more than I do. Some parts of it are beautifully done, but as a whole it just doesn't come together completely. Coppola's library thru the 80s is filled with those kinds of movies really...good ones, but not as great as they could/should have been. With the obvious parallels to Back To The Future, which came out the previous year and was mega popular, I think audiences may have expected something a bit more dynamic. They would have known it was from a female perspective and Turner was a drawcard and I doubt this would have phased people, but it comes across as a bit too flat. |
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Post by marianne48 on Nov 6, 2018 0:30:43 GMT
I think Kathleen Turner mentioned in a recent interview that she felt that Nicolas Cage spoiled the movie by insisting on using that ridiculous cartoonish voice for his role. I definitely have to agree with that; he's the one wrong note in an otherwise likable movie. One of my favorite things about this movie, by the way, is the appearance of Leon Ames in his final movie role. Known for his roles as the patriarch in several 1940s MGM movies such as Meet Me in St. Louis, he turns up here in the role of Peggy Sue's grandfather.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 6, 2018 1:43:49 GMT
I think Kathleen Turner mentioned in a recent interview that she felt that Nicolas Cage spoiled the movie by insisting on using that ridiculous cartoonish voice for his role. I definitely have to agree with that; he's the one wrong note in an otherwise likable movie. One of my favorite things about this movie, by the way, is the appearance of Leon Ames in his final movie role. Known for his roles as the patriarch in several 1940s MGM movies such as Meet Me in St. Louis, he turns up here in the role of Peggy Sue's grandfather. Whenever I watch this film, I think of Wilfred Brimley in the role of Peggy's grandfather, but it is someone else. I don't know why.
One of my favorite scenes, perhaps my favorite in the film, is when Peggy picks up the phone and her grandmother is on the other end and she can't talk she is so taken aback. She then runs upstairs and her mother asks her what it is. She says she loves her so much and misses her. It is such a heartfelt and genuine moment.
Yeah! What was with that voice of his. What was he trying to prove?  Like I mentioned, I don't think Coppola gave him much direction and let him loose like a cannonball.
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Post by ck100 on Nov 6, 2018 2:08:02 GMT
Coppola functioned as a director-for-hire when he did this film.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 6, 2018 5:15:01 GMT
Coppola functioned as a director-for-hire when he did this film. Yes, he got the visuals ok, but overall it is quite perfunctory. |
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 6, 2018 5:18:04 GMT
Nicolas Cage and Jim Carrey in the same movie...LOL!!!
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Post by dirtypillows on Nov 6, 2018 6:36:13 GMT
I think Kathleen Turner mentioned in a recent interview that she felt that Nicolas Cage spoiled the movie by insisting on using that ridiculous cartoonish voice for his role. I definitely have to agree with that; he's the one wrong note in an otherwise likable movie. One of my favorite things about this movie, by the way, is the appearance of Leon Ames in his final movie role. Known for his roles as the patriarch in several 1940s MGM movies such as Meet Me in St. Louis, he turns up here in the role of Peggy Sue's grandfather. Whenever I watch this film, I think of Wilfred Brimley in the role of Peggy's grandfather, but it is someone else. I don't know why.
One of my favorite scenes, perhaps my favorite in the film, is when Peggy picks up the phone and her grandmother is on the other end and she can't talk she is so taken aback. She then runs upstairs and her mother asks her what it is. She says she loves her so much and misses her. It is such a heartfelt and genuine moment.
Yeah! What was with that voice of his. What was he trying to prove? Like I mentioned, I don't think Coppola gave him much direction and let him loose like a cannonball.
I liked the movie overall, Mr. Toasty. It is very mild, yes, absolutely. But I don't know if it could have been much more than it was. I don't know. I've always liked Kathleen Turner, on and off screen, I think she is a very ballsy lady! She was also great in "Serial Mom" and I think made that movie for me. You could tell she was having so much fun playing Beverly Sutton. I think my favorite performance of Turner's was Joan Hart in "Romancing the Stone". She was very beautiful and sexy and, like you said, she could be very funny, too. I think Danny Peary's Alternate Oscars, he felt Turner should have gotten the Oscar that year. So that was cool. Leonard Maltin gave "Peggy Sue Got Married" **1/2 and I've always been just fine with **1/2 movies. I get along great with them. I have never liked Nicholas Cage in anything I've seen him in. I just find him extremely unappealing, loud, overbearing, gross... The scene you mentioned with Peggy Sue's grandmother gets me teary-eyed every time. I loved my own Grammy very much. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 6, 2018 9:23:33 GMT
Whenever I watch this film, I think of Wilfred Brimley in the role of Peggy's grandfather, but it is someone else. I don't know why.
One of my favorite scenes, perhaps my favorite in the film, is when Peggy picks up the phone and her grandmother is on the other end and she can't talk she is so taken aback. She then runs upstairs and her mother asks her what it is. She says she loves her so much and misses her. It is such a heartfelt and genuine moment.
Yeah! What was with that voice of his. What was he trying to prove? Like I mentioned, I don't think Coppola gave him much direction and let him loose like a cannonball. I liked the movie overall, Mr. Toasty. It is very mild, yes, absolutely. But I don't know if it could have been much more than it was. I don't know. I've always liked Kathleen Turner, on and off screen, I think she is a very ballsy lady! She was also great in "Serial Mom" and I think made that movie for me. You could tell she was having so much fun playing Beverly Sutton. I think my favorite performance of Turner's was Joan Hart in "Romancing the Stone". She was very beautiful and sexy and, like you said, she could be very funny, too. I think Danny Peary's Alternate Oscars, he felt Turner should have gotten the Oscar that year. So that was cool. Leonard Maltin gave "Peggy Sue Got Married" **1/2 and I've always been just fine with **1/2 movies. I get along great with them. I have never liked Nicholas Cage in anything I've seen him in. I just find him extremely unappealing, loud, overbearing, gross... The scene you mentioned with Peggy Sue's grandmother gets me teary-eyed every time. I loved my own Grammy very much. The film perhaps needed a little more work on the screenplay to make it appear less anemic, and Cage may have been better in one of the lessor roles. Turner needed a more charismatic and popular—for the era—leading man to act alongside. Cage was too gawky and physically unappealing too.
Turner could do no wrong in my eyes as an actress throughout the 80's, even though I wasn't overly fond of the films she may have starred in. I just loved her screen presence. For me, her best performance and more Oscar worthy than Romancing The Stone - 84', was her China Blue hooker in Ken Russell's controversial Crimes Of Passion from the same year. The film overall can be hit and miss for me, but I still find it more than the sum of its parts and Turner is a knockout. I don't really like the main subplot with the young man who gets caught up with her and his sexual marital problems with his insipid and miserable wife. His family s<>t should have been left on the cutting room floor. Turner and Perkins are a treat though.
For me, the best 'movie' from the 80's which Turner starred in was with Michael Douglas in The War Of The Roses - 89', directed by Danny DeVito. I love the black humor, mean-spiritedness and style of it.
I dismissed Serial Mom - 94' on its initial release. I was over Turner by then and the film looked stupid—which it was—and unappealing. Boy, was I wrong! When I finally got around to seeing it in the late 90's I loved it and was disappointed that I missed it when it first came out. I absolutely loved both her performance and the movie.
COP and SM are my favorite Turner performances and both Oscar worthy. COP and SM...  I just realized that this relates to a ballsy sexy scene with a cop and s&m in COP. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Nov 6, 2018 20:48:54 GMT
I liked the movie overall, Mr. Toasty. It is very mild, yes, absolutely. But I don't know if it could have been much more than it was. I don't know. I've always liked Kathleen Turner, on and off screen, I think she is a very ballsy lady! She was also great in "Serial Mom" and I think made that movie for me. You could tell she was having so much fun playing Beverly Sutton. I think my favorite performance of Turner's was Joan Hart in "Romancing the Stone". She was very beautiful and sexy and, like you said, she could be very funny, too. I think Danny Peary's Alternate Oscars, he felt Turner should have gotten the Oscar that year. So that was cool. Leonard Maltin gave "Peggy Sue Got Married" **1/2 and I've always been just fine with **1/2 movies. I get along great with them. I have never liked Nicholas Cage in anything I've seen him in. I just find him extremely unappealing, loud, overbearing, gross... The scene you mentioned with Peggy Sue's grandmother gets me teary-eyed every time. I loved my own Grammy very much. The film perhaps needed a little more work on the screenplay to make it appear less anemic, and Cage may have been better in one of the lessor roles. Turner needed a more charismatic and popular—for the era—leading man to act alongside. Cage was too gawky and physically unappealing too.
Turner could do no wrong in my eyes as an actress throughout the 80's, even though I wasn't overly fond of the films she may have starred in. I just loved her screen presence. For me, her best performance and more Oscar worthy than Romancing The Stone - 84', was her China Blue hooker in Ken Russell's controversial Crimes Of Passion from the same year. The film overall can be hit and miss for me, but I still find it more than the sum of its parts and Turner is a knockout. I don't really like the main subplot with the young man who gets caught up with her and his sexual marital problems with his insipid and miserable wife. His family s<>t should have been left on the cutting room floor. Turner and Perkins are a treat though.
For me, the best 'movie' from the 80's which Turner starred in was with Michael Douglas in The War Of The Roses - 89', directed by Danny DeVito. I love the black humor, mean-spiritedness and style of it.
I dismissed Serial Mom - 94' on its initial release. I was over Turner by then and the film looked stupid—which it was—and unappealing. Boy, was I wrong! When I finally got around to seeing it in the late 90's I loved it and was disappointed that I missed it when it first came out. I absolutely loved both her performance and the movie.
COP and SM are my favorite Turner performances and both Oscar worthy. COP and SM... I just realized that this relates to a ballsy sexy scene with a cop and s&m in COP. Nicely done!  |
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Post by petrolino on Nov 11, 2018 4:44:49 GMT
It's a nice movie but having watched it once, I've never felt the urge to see it again.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 11, 2018 5:22:47 GMT
It's a nice movie but having watched it once, I've never felt the urge to see it again. I have viewed it several times and I must be a glutton for punishment. Perhaps with the credentials involved, I am looking to see something that I might have missed before, but end up just criticising it even more.
I do enjoy aspects of it and that is some of the humor, nostalgia and for Turner and Harris of course.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 11, 2018 14:48:52 GMT
I remember liking it a lot when it came out but not having watched it again in the three decades since, the only memory I have is of the scene where she gives him a Beatles song to help him in his musical career and he doesn't like "She loves you yeah yeah yeah" so he changes it to "She loves you uh uh uh".
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I just realized that this relates to a ballsy sexy scene with a cop and s&m in COP. 
