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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 23:26:08 GMT
Can't believe I'm not winning this. I know. I voted for you too. Really let me down.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 10, 2018 23:31:53 GMT
Can't believe I'm not winning this. I know. I voted for you too. Really let me down. You can't win them all. Innit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 23:37:54 GMT
I know. I voted for you too. Really let me down. You can't win them all. Innit? You got it, sir. Good news is there's always next time.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Nov 11, 2018 0:10:34 GMT
Can't believe I'm not winning this. The former Supreme Chancellor of the board 🤷♂️ Unfathomable
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 0:35:16 GMT
DCfan. Where's the option for Summers? He's definitely a big MCU fan. It would be interesting to see who has posted the most on the MCU board. Is that something the admins can do? Top ten? Who is #1, I wonder? This was actually possible on the old IMDb. It was done on the Force Awakens board. The leader was actually a Darth Ackbar... Not to be confused with President Ackbar™ . There was a different Darth Ackbar years ago. He abruptly vanished. I always wondered why... Fell into a TRAP, I suppose...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 1:25:55 GMT
Can't believe I'm not winning this. The former Supreme Chancellor of the board 🤷♂️ Unfathomable
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 11, 2018 11:14:43 GMT
Can't believe I'm not winning this. This poll is rigged! I blamed the Republicans! They can't win an election without rigging it!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 12:56:14 GMT
Can't believe I'm not winning this. This poll is rigged! I blamed the Republicans! They can't win an election without rigging it! I mean, that's provably true. They've lost the popular vote in six out of the last seven presidential elections, and I'm 99% sure they legit rigged that one (2004), since officials in Ohio reported a lot of irregularities in that cycle, etc., and the result diverged in a statistically significant way from exit polling, which almost entirely went to Kerry. But whatever.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 14:46:37 GMT
Can't believe I'm not winning this. This poll is rigged! I blamed the Republicans! They can't win an election without rigging it! Don’t worry, someone is bound to suddenly discover boxes of ballots, after the fact, that will swing the election to the Democrats, er, coldenhaulfield. Has anyone checked colden’s basement?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 15:12:18 GMT
This poll is rigged! I blamed the Republicans! They can't win an election without rigging it! Don’t worry, someone is bound to suddenly discover boxes of ballots, after the fact, that will swing the election to the Democrats, er, coldenhaulfield. Has anyone checked colden’s basement? And by "suddenly discover," you mean... count the uncounted ballots that were always sitting there uncounted the whole time.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 15:45:47 GMT
Don’t worry, someone is bound to suddenly discover boxes of ballots, after the fact, that will swing the election to the Democrats, er, coldenhaulfield. Has anyone checked colden’s basement? And by "suddenly discover," you mean... count the uncounted ballots that were always sitting there uncounted the whole time. Yes, that is what I mean.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 19:56:22 GMT
And by "suddenly discover," you mean... count the uncounted ballots that were always sitting there uncounted the whole time. Yes, that is what I mean. Oh, in Florida? Yeah, because they have a long history of famously fair recounts in which REPUBLICANS are screwed. Gore was a GOP guy, right? Check your memes and your history, little kid. Go watch the Pats.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 20:16:53 GMT
Yes, that is what I mean. Oh, in Florida? Yeah, because they have a long history of famously fair recounts in which REPUBLICANS are screwed. Gore was a GOP guy, right? Check your memes and your history, little kid. Go watch the Pats. Wait, what? You do know that GWB won Florida and then the Democrats tried to steal the election by guessing the intent of improperly submitted ballots, and even ballots that didn’t have a presidential candidate selected. It took the Supreme Court to put an end to that nonsense.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 20:37:44 GMT
Oh, in Florida? Yeah, because they have a long history of famously fair recounts in which REPUBLICANS are screwed. Gore was a GOP guy, right? Check your memes and your history, little kid. Go watch the Pats. Wait, what? You do know that GWB won Florida and then the Democrats tried to steal the election by guessing the intent of improperly submitted ballots, and even ballots that didn’t have a presidential candidate selected. It took the Supreme Court to put an end to that nonsense. You do know that Gore would've won had Bush's cronies, including his brother (the governor at the time), not stopped the recount. The Supreme Court stopping it was a sham and their most blatantly partisan ruling in history.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 20:46:31 GMT
Wait, what? You do know that GWB won Florida and then the Democrats tried to steal the election by guessing the intent of improperly submitted ballots, and even ballots that didn’t have a presidential candidate selected. It took the Supreme Court to put an end to that nonsense. You do know that Gore would've won had Bush's cronies, including his brother (the governor at the time), not stopped the recount. The Supreme Court stopping it was a sham and their most blatantly partisan ruling in history. Wrong
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 20:53:50 GMT
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 22:06:22 GMT
If you actually read the article, you’ll discover that the headline is little more than pablum for distraught liberals. Bush would have won Florida, Supreme Court or no Supreme Court. Creative interpretation of invalid ballots may have favored Gore, but in reality, that’s just another liberal fantasy that would never have occurred.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 22:27:56 GMT
If you actually read the article, you’ll discover that the headline is little more than pablum for distraught liberals. Bush would have won Florida, Supreme Court or no Supreme Court. Creative interpretation of invalid ballots may have favored Gore, but in reality, that’s just another liberal fantasy that would never have occurred. Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
Martin Kettle First published on Sun 28 Jan 2001 20.18 EST
Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of the disputed Florida election contest have confirmed.
The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole.
The second and separate survey, conducted on behalf of the Palm Beach Post, shows that Mr Gore had a majority of 682 votes among the discounted "dimpled" ballots in Palm Beach county.
In each case, if the newly examined votes had been allowed to count in the November election, Mr Gore would have won Florida's 21 electoral college votes by a narrow majority and he, not Mr Bush, would be the president. Instead, Mr Bush officially carried Florida by 537 votes after recounts were stopped.
In spite of the findings, no legal challenge to the Florida result is possible in the light of the US supreme court's 5-4 ruling in December to hand the state to Mr Bush. But the revelations will continue to cast a cloud, to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr Bush's election.
Some 56,000 so-called "overvotes" were examined in the Washington Post survey. All of these ballot papers were ruled to be invalid votes on November 7 because they contained two or more punched holes in the presidential section of the ballot. Twelve Florida counties used voting machines where voting was by punch cards in this way, and eight of them participated in the survey: Broward, Highlands, Hillsborough, Marion, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Pasco and Pinellas. None of the ballot papers in the survey formed part of any official count or recount.
The research shows that 45,608 of the 56,000 ballot papers (87% of the total) contained votes for Mr Gore, compared with 17,098 containing votes for Mr Bush (33%). In 1,367 cases, voters punched every hole except that for Mr Bush.
In cases where the voters cast invalid "overvotes" in the presidential election, but then cast valid votes in the US senate contest lower down on the same ballot, 70% voted Democrat, Mr Gore's party, and only 24% voted Republican.
The disproportion was especially dramatic in Palm Beach, whose butterfly ballot paper interleaved two lists of candidates in such a way as to show Mr Gore's name second on the ballot paper, but to require the voter to punch the third hole to record a vote for him.
Though no absolute conclusions can be drawn from the overvotes, the implication that many thousands more invalidated Floridians intended to vote for Mr Gore than for Mr Bush seems hard to resist. The survey also clearly implies that some of Florida's voting machines were inadequate and that many voters were confused by the procedure.
In the second survey, the Palm Beach Post examined 4,513 dimpled "undervotes" - so named because no hole was punched in the ballot paper - and which were excluded from the November and December manual recount process. In each case, the Palm Beach county canvassing board ruled that no vote had been cast on these ballots but Democratic or Republican observers disputed the ruling. The ballots in the survey had been set aside for a possible court-ordered review that never took place.
Of the disputed ballots, some 2,500 had dimples for Mr Gore, while 1,818 had similar marks for Mr Bush. If they had been counted, Mr Gore would have had a net gain of 682 votes. This would have been in addition to a separate net gain of 174 votes from Palm Beach which was disallowed by Florida's secretary of state.--- Yeah, I must've missed where it said that.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 23:38:23 GMT
If you actually read the article, you’ll discover that the headline is little more than pablum for distraught liberals. Bush would have won Florida, Supreme Court or no Supreme Court. Creative interpretation of invalid ballots may have favored Gore, but in reality, that’s just another liberal fantasy that would never have occurred. Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
Yeah, I must've missed where it said that. You did. There was never going to be a recount of every miscast ballot. The Supreme Court stopped a selective recount that Gore requested. After the election, it was determined that Bush would have still won if the Gore requested recount had occurred. The imaginary recount that your article touts was never going to happen. And for good reason. It’s not up to election officials to guess what a ballot may have intended.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2018 23:46:57 GMT
Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
Yeah, I must've missed where it said that. You did. There was never going to be a recount of every miscast ballot. The Supreme Court stopped a selective recount that Gore requested. After the election, it was determined that Bush would have still won if the Gore requested recount had occurred. The imaginary recount that your article touts was never going to happen. And for good reason. It’s not up to election officials to guess what a ballot may have intended. I mean, whatever you have to tell yourself to rationalize all of the illegitimate stuff you support and still sleep at night is your business. If every vote had been properly counted, Gore would've won, notwithstanding your pitiful attempt at semantic hopscotch.
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