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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 3:43:14 GMT
TFA was meant to be the start of a new trilogy, but while it certainly was that, it was always going to be a Return of the Jedi sequel first and foremost. So why would you choose a protagonist with no real connection to the original characters? You wouldn't. A protagonist with no history with Han, Luke or Leia would feel disconnected from this ongoing story. Her introduction into this established world of characters would feel random. And her important role in the movies would be contrived and forced.
And that's a huge problem with Rey. Why does this random scavenger end up at the center of this saga? Because the Force "willed it"? Lame. Because she's "just that awesome"? Lamer.
"But Mr Ghostbar, ANYONE can be Force sensitive. Not just Skywalksters!"
Yes, anyone can be Force sensitive. But why rely on coincidence after coincidence to convince us that this ongoing decades old conflict must be solved by someone so unconnected to it when you could easily have made her a relative of the old heroes? And you know what, Luke's linage is precisely why Yoda and Obi choose him! It's precisely why Leia "had that power too"
"But Mr Ackbar, making Rey a Skywalkster would make the universe feel small!"
No. It would link the new with the old and actually make sense that Leia and Han and the entire god damn Resistence were so trusting and supportive. What makes the universe seem small is a random nobody ending up at the center of everything important.
"But Mr Squid Face, Jedis are celibate! Luke can't have any Jedi babies because he isn't supposed to have the sexy time with the space ladies!"
It didn't stop Anakin. And he had a whole Jedi council trying to cock-block him! Luke was starting a new Order. He could've easily said: Eh, y'know what? Let's rewrite that no sex rule. From on, Jedi sex good. Jedi sex very good!
"Gee, Mr Fish Man, you make some really excellent points!"
Why, thank you, (insert your name here!). I thought you'd agree...
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Post by HorrorMetal on Nov 11, 2018 16:18:25 GMT
It would have made a lot more sense, honestly. I feel like the only reason they didn't go that route was that pretty much everyone expected it, a very lame excuse indeed.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Nov 11, 2018 22:27:30 GMT
I like the idea that anyone can be important, can be a hero. Making her a Skywalker would just have reinforced the erroneous idea that it's all about bloodline.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 23:23:56 GMT
I like the idea that anyone can be important, can be a hero. Making her a Skywalker would just have reinforced the erroneous idea that it's all about bloodline. Fair enough. But as I stated above, bloodline does play a big role. That's been part of the mythos since ESB. |
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Post by audiosane on Nov 12, 2018 13:33:03 GMT
I like the idea that anyone can be important, can be a hero. Making her a Skywalker would just have reinforced the erroneous idea that it's all about bloodline. Not true. Anyone can be important and a hero, like Obi-Wan, Han Solo, Poe and Qui-Gon Jinn. Each trilogy added new unrelated heroes. But since this is supposed to be the Skywalker saga, it only makes sense that the protagonist is related to Luke in some way. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 12, 2018 18:34:15 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 12, 2018 20:29:01 GMT
Rey being a Skywalker or Luke's daughter would be the most anticlimactic reveal ever.
In terms of iconicness it would relate to the brother & sister reveal like the latter related to the I'm your father reveal - Lucas knew why he played the father-reveal in Sith so very subtly.
That being said, as JJ is likely one of the most uncreative and unimaginative persons of our time, I would be utterly surprised if "I am Rey Skywalker!" was not the final reveal in Ep 9 from Outer Space. I mean everything in TFA pointed to that.
Regardless, in my heart she will always remain a born Sue though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 21:24:33 GMT
Rey being a Skywalker or Luke's daughter would be the most anticlimactic reveal ever. In terms of iconicness it would relate to the brother & sister reveal like the latter related to the I'm your father reveal - Lucas knew why he played the father-reveal in Sith so very subtly. That being said, as JJ is likely one of the most uncreative and unimaginative persons of our time, I would be utterly surprised if "I am Rey Skywalker!" was not the final reveal in Ep 9 from Outer Space. I mean everything in TFA pointed to that. Regardless, in my heart she will always remain a born Sue though. The thing is though- it never had to be a secret. The reveal would indeed have been a cliche. What I'm saying is that we should've begin TFA knowing she is Luke's daughter. No mystery box. No big secret. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 12, 2018 21:26:03 GMT
Rey being a Skywalker or Luke's daughter would be the most anticlimactic reveal ever. In terms of iconicness it would relate to the brother & sister reveal like the latter related to the I'm your father reveal - Lucas knew why he played the father-reveal in Sith so very subtly. That being said, as JJ is likely one of the most uncreative and unimaginative persons of our time, I would be utterly surprised if "I am Rey Skywalker!" was not the final reveal in Ep 9 from Outer Space. I mean everything in TFA pointed to that. Regardless, in my heart she will always remain a born Sue though. The thing is though- it never had to be a secret. The reveal would indeed have been a cliche. What I'm saying is that we should've begin TFA knowing she is Luke's daughter. No mystery box. No big secret. like they did with the Solos |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 12, 2018 21:42:00 GMT
Rey being a Skywalker or Luke's daughter would be the most anticlimactic reveal ever. In terms of iconicness it would relate to the brother & sister reveal like the latter related to the I'm your father reveal - Lucas knew why he played the father-reveal in Sith so very subtly. That being said, as JJ is likely one of the most uncreative and unimaginative persons of our time, I would be utterly surprised if "I am Rey Skywalker!" was not the final reveal in Ep 9 from Outer Space. I mean everything in TFA pointed to that. Regardless, in my heart she will always remain a born Sue though. The thing is though- it never had to be a secret. The reveal would indeed have been a cliche. What I'm saying is that we should've begin TFA knowing she is Luke's daughter. No mystery box. No big secret. That would make sense. But without mystery they would have to come up with a character and an original journey to keep Rey interesting. They evidently never considered Rey to be more than Luke, Han & Leia turned into full girl-power but so much more awesome. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 21, 2018 19:44:09 GMT
...why would you choose a protagonist with no real connection to the original characters? A protagonist with no history with Han, Luke or Leia would feel disconnected from this ongoing story. Agreed. Watching all six prior movies it is clear that the Star Wars saga is a story about the force, the Jedi, and most specifically, the Skywalker family line. It really felt to me like they chose to have Rey not be related to anyone, and to be "no one", "nothing", just to circumvent fans guesses about her identity and role. Its as if they sat down and said "what is the one thing we can do that no fan will guess? That's she's nothing! That's it! Lets do that!"
So if she's no one, and she's with Finn whos is also no one by the, and Poe who's not much of an anyone, and Rose whos barely anyone, then why the fuck should I care to watch more? At least Kylo is connected, but too bad he's a dick.
Someone else here suggested that Luke should come back in Ep 9 just fully alive. As stupid as that sounds right now, I kinda hope they do that! Because maybe then I'll be interested again.
I'm not going to lie and say I'm not going to see it when I comes out, but I don't have the same anticipation that I had for TFA and TLJ.
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Post by azzajones on Nov 25, 2018 8:24:39 GMT
This appears to be more of an argument for why the protagonist of Sequel Trilogy should've been a Skywalker, not necessarily Rey.
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 25, 2018 8:38:19 GMT
Rey being a Skywalker or Luke's daughter would be the most anticlimactic reveal ever. In terms of iconicness it would relate to the brother & sister reveal like the latter related to the I'm your father reveal - Lucas knew why he played the father-reveal in Sith so very subtly. That being said, as JJ is likely one of the most uncreative and unimaginative persons of our time, I would be utterly surprised if "I am Rey Skywalker!" was not the final reveal in Ep 9 from Outer Space. I mean everything in TFA pointed to that. Regardless, in my heart she will always remain a born Sue though. LOL!!!! |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 28, 2021 19:11:08 GMT
Good news, you got your wish!
My takes:
-even before TRoS spelled it out for the people in the last row, I thought it was apparent Rey was becoming a surrogate family member which is... fine for me? Sometimes your real family stinks and you get taken in by a better one.
-you still have an ongoing Skywalker blood connected main character: it's Ben.
-Luke was chosen more because of prophecy business, not because Yoda and Obi-Wan were Nazi eugenicists
-I did like fan theories that Rey was either Anakin reincarnated, or cloned using Luke's hand. But her being Luke's daughter would have been pretty anticlimactic.
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