|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 11, 2018 5:17:25 GMT
While I could say this film could be considered kinda cool in some aspects, it was a hybrid of nearly every Halloween that has gone before it, including Rob Zombie's versions and lets be honest, it was bulls<>t.
While I have to accept it was made to pander to today's millennial generation in presentation, I saw the film as parody. It substituted suspense and scares and atmosphere for the most part, with graphic bloody violence, loud noises and jump frights. For fans who can recollect the series, they would see aspects of homage, like the woman in hair curlers and dressing gown making ham sandwiches who has her knife taken by Myers, which was in direct contrast to Halloween 2 - 81', whose events this film ignored anyway. Of course Myers had to bash her head in with a hammer first, rather than present us with a scary and well timed sequence of just taking her knife when she was distracted. He just goes in for the kill. Most of his kills here are arbitrary, without any focused narrative or build up of Myers lurking from behind the shadows to sneak up on his unsuspecting prey. The original Halloween - 78' and Halloween 2 - 81', knew how to present their characters and build up the scenario and at least make us have some inkling of care factor for who is being offed. Not just present them as a bunch of random new age jerks.
I found Jamie Lee Curtis's character to be quite tiresome and absurd and she was more like a Granny Grunt Rambo with serious psychological issues herself. Even her daughter told her she was psychotic and her granddaughter told her to get over herself. Whoa! Wait! Laurie Strode had a son in Steve Miner's terrific Halloween H20 - 98' and Uncle Mikie came back to get him. Whoa! Wait! Myers apparently wasn't Laurie's brother after all here. That s<>t was just made up and now we have an entirely different Laurie, who didn't end up being stalked in a hospital and then changing her name and being headmistress at a posh and private boarding school to escape her past. They did homage H20, alluding to Laurie being a lush and downing a glass of wine like she did in H20. The only difference here though, is that it was red not white. She was also a bossy bitch to her daughter, just like she was with her son in H20.
After ignoring the events of Halloween 2, they decide to off Myers in a similar fiery inferno. The most hilarious part, was the opening credits. Instead of a real organic pumpkin with a candle glowing inside while Carpenter's iconic theme played, we get a slowly inflated cgi pumpkin that was about as creepy and ridiculous as the Easter Bunny. |
|
|
|
Post by jamesbamesy on Nov 11, 2018 12:21:27 GMT
I can kind of see where you’re coming from, but I ultimately disagree particularly in 2 things:
1. Does a parody really call for more gore, and jumpscares? That’s your everyday horror film really. A parody would be more like everyday elements a comedy would have; run-on jokes and decisions the characters made are ridiculously yet intentionally stupid.
2. Laurie was genuine in the film. You could feel the emotion she had. I know that it was a dumb idea for her to stay where she was, whereas in H20 she moved to California to avoid those terrors, but her motive for staying there was reasonable enough.
Also, that pumpkin opening was the bomb!
|
|
|
|
Post by anthonyrocks on Nov 11, 2018 15:18:49 GMT
I actually liked the New " HALLOWEEN" Movie.  I also agree about the Opening Credits, It was Great! |
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 12, 2018 3:11:29 GMT
I can kind of see where you’re coming from, but I ultimately disagree particularly in 2 things: 1. Does a parody really call for more gore, and jumpscares? That’s your everyday horror film really. A parody would be more like everyday elements a comedy would have; run-on jokes and decisions the characters made are ridiculously yet intentionally stupid. 2. Laurie was genuine in the film. You could feel the emotion she had. I know that it was a dumb idea for her to stay where she was, whereas in H20 she moved to California to avoid those terrors, but her motive for staying there was reasonable enough. Also, that pumpkin opening was the bomb! The parody aspect is subtle, but it comes in the form or the presentation and like I have mentioned, it appears to take aspects of all the Halloween films, even Zombie's in tone, and make a melange out of it. Only those in the know would see this though, for casual viewers, they would just see it for what it was. I found the inflating pumpkin thing to be absurd. Was it going in somebodies pool?
|
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 12, 2018 3:13:43 GMT
I actually liked the New " HALLOWEEN" Movie. I also agree about the Opening Credits, It was Great! I still can't get my head around this confounded series and how they just make things out to be whatever they want them to be, just for the sake of another Halloween film.
The film didn't even open scary and I think that is a big flaw. Both H1 and H2 opened with scary atmospheric things happening and this set the tone. How was Myers even captured?
|
|
|
|
Post by jamesbamesy on Nov 12, 2018 3:22:42 GMT
I can kind of see where you’re coming from, but I ultimately disagree particularly in 2 things: 1. Does a parody really call for more gore, and jumpscares? That’s your everyday horror film really. A parody would be more like everyday elements a comedy would have; run-on jokes and decisions the characters made are ridiculously yet intentionally stupid. 2. Laurie was genuine in the film. You could feel the emotion she had. I know that it was a dumb idea for her to stay where she was, whereas in H20 she moved to California to avoid those terrors, but her motive for staying there was reasonable enough. Also, that pumpkin opening was the bomb! The parody aspect is subtle, but it comes in the form or the presentation and like I have mentioned, it appears to take aspects of all the Halloween films, even Zombie's in tone, and make a melange out of it. Only those in the know would see this though, for casual viewers, they would just see it for what it was. I found the inflating pumpkin thing to be absurd. Was it going in somebodies pool?
I felt pretty joyous when they were using elements from the other movies. At least they had respect to the other films in spite of retconning them all. It shows the creators still care about the franchise to please the fans, in a sort. Tbh, that inflating pumpkin would be awesome to see in somebody’s pool. It’s fine if you don’t think too fondly of the film, and that’s completely fine. It wasn’t gonna be for everyone. I just enjoyed it because it was a solid horror film and a great homage to not just the original, but the course of the series, canonical or not. |
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 12, 2018 3:55:50 GMT
The parody aspect is subtle, but it comes in the form or the presentation and like I have mentioned, it appears to take aspects of all the Halloween films, even Zombie's in tone, and make a melange out of it. Only those in the know would see this though, for casual viewers, they would just see it for what it was. I found the inflating pumpkin thing to be absurd. Was it going in somebodies pool?
I felt pretty joyous when they were using elements from the other movies. At least they had respect to the other films in spite of retconning them all. It shows the creators still care about the franchise to please the fans, in a sort. Tbh, that inflating pumpkin would be awesome to see in somebody’s pool. It’s fine if you don’t think too fondly of the film, and that’s completely fine. It wasn’t gonna be for everyone. I just enjoyed it because it was a solid horror film and a great homage to not just the original, but the course of the series, canonical or not. I didn't come out feeling pumped up or excited about it, like I did with H20 or after viewing Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 on dvd. H20 had a scary opening that was in line with the first 2 Halloweens and Joseph Gordon-Levitt gave a fun and interesting characterization and even though he and his buddy were jerks, they made it work due to the acting. I thought the acting was rather meh overall in this new one.
I don't mind graphic violence, but I think it was overdone here. H20 still had a brutal element to it, but it retained that slashy, metallic cold-cut feel as well. This one was just turgid. I actually felt a bit sick when the doctor got his head stomped on, yet Zombie's films never made me feel like this and they were brutal.
|
|
|
|
Post by jamesbamesy on Nov 12, 2018 11:41:05 GMT
I felt pretty joyous when they were using elements from the other movies. At least they had respect to the other films in spite of retconning them all. It shows the creators still care about the franchise to please the fans, in a sort. Tbh, that inflating pumpkin would be awesome to see in somebody’s pool. It’s fine if you don’t think too fondly of the film, and that’s completely fine. It wasn’t gonna be for everyone. I just enjoyed it because it was a solid horror film and a great homage to not just the original, but the course of the series, canonical or not. I didn't come out feeling pumped up or excited about it, like I did with H20 or after viewing Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 on dvd. H20 had a scary opening that was in line with the first 2 Halloweens and Joseph Gordon-Levitt gave a fun and interesting characterization and even though he and his buddy were jerks, they made it work due to the acting. I thought the acting was rather meh overall in this new one.
I don't mind graphic violence, but I think it was overdone here. H20 still had a brutal element to it, but it retained that slashy, metallic cold-cut feel as well. This one was just turgid. I actually felt a bit sick when the doctor got his head stomped on, yet Zombie's films never made me feel like this and they were brutal.
I guess that scene was much more brutal for a film like this, in which it doesn’t seem as brutal as Zombie’s films but up to that moment it’s a complete shocker. |
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 12, 2018 11:54:55 GMT
I didn't come out feeling pumped up or excited about it, like I did with H20 or after viewing Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 on dvd. H20 had a scary opening that was in line with the first 2 Halloweens and Joseph Gordon-Levitt gave a fun and interesting characterization and even though he and his buddy were jerks, they made it work due to the acting. I thought the acting was rather meh overall in this new one.
I don't mind graphic violence, but I think it was overdone here. H20 still had a brutal element to it, but it retained that slashy, metallic cold-cut feel as well. This one was just turgid. I actually felt a bit sick when the doctor got his head stomped on, yet Zombie's films never made me feel like this and they were brutal.
I guess that scene was much more brutal for a film like this, in which it doesn’t seem as brutal as Zombie’s films but up to that moment it’s a complete shocker. Even my friend I was with, and she doesn't mind horror and gore, thought it was a bit too strong and unnecessary . This was probably the Zombie homage.  But she was creeped out by the teeth scene as well and that was quite mild.
Why not just slash him or something, its less graphic and more in keeping in line with Myers fixation of sharp implements.
|
|
|
|
Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 12, 2018 12:21:57 GMT
I dont think Michael Myers lent himself to repeat performance--much less than Jason or Freddy.
Carpenter originally wanted every Halloween sequel to be a different story.
I think he was right.
Halloween 3 was overlooked at the time but I would rather watch that than any of the sequels.
Silver Shamrock.
|
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 12, 2018 12:36:13 GMT
I dont think Michael Myers lent himself to repeat performance--much less than Jason or Freddy.Carpenter originally wanted every Halloween sequel to be a different story. I think he was right. Halloween 3 was overlooked at the time but I would rather watch that than any of the sequels. Silver Shamrock. No! It didn't really work that well after he got killed off for good in Halloween 2 - 81' and that is where he perhaps should have stayed and that was the initial intention. The scary presence and myth behind him got convoluted and confused.
I have no issue with H20 though and while I didn't like it, Rob Zombie's own reboot, which did start from the beginning, at least was a re-imagining. I liked his sequel though. Jason was killed, there was a copy cat killer and then he became a zombie, so in that context it worked ok. Freddy was already supernatural.
|
|
|
|
Post by jamesbamesy on Nov 12, 2018 13:34:48 GMT
I guess that scene was much more brutal for a film like this, in which it doesn’t seem as brutal as Zombie’s films but up to that moment it’s a complete shocker. Even my friend I was with, and she doesn't mind horror and gore, thought it was a bit too strong and unnecessary . This was probably the Zombie homage. But she was creeped out by the teeth scene as well and that was quite mild.
Why not just slash him or something, its less graphic and more in keeping in line with Myers fixation of sharp implements.
I suppose. The creators needed to up the anti though for casual viewers. Most casual horror viewers today don’t understand the meaning of pure suspense and are just looking for the gore. I’m not saying that’s right, but it’s pretty understandable why they put it in there. |
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 12, 2018 13:44:50 GMT
Even my friend I was with, and she doesn't mind horror and gore, thought it was a bit too strong and unnecessary . This was probably the Zombie homage. But she was creeped out by the teeth scene as well and that was quite mild.
Why not just slash him or something, its less graphic and more in keeping in line with Myers fixation of sharp implements.
I suppose. The creators needed to up the anti though for casual viewers. Most casual horror viewers today don’t understand the meaning of pure suspense and are just looking for the gore. I’m not saying that’s right, but it’s pretty understandable why they put it in there. Yeah, its a shame, but loading something with gore, to make up for lack of genuine scares is a cop-out. I think this film was cop-out for the most part.
I like violence in horror films and some blood, but the best slashers have inventive kills, make them look painful and disturbing, without going over the top. I may have mentioned this to you before, H2 upped the body count from the first and it was violent, but it didn't make the blood\gore overdone and its like I could feel every knife, hammer, scalpel and needle making contact and it was still squeamish.
|
|
|
|
Post by theshape25 on Nov 12, 2018 15:13:39 GMT
All in all I thought it was a solid movie. Was it as good as the original? Nope. Did it have the suspense of the original? Nope. I really didn't expect it to either. Like someone previously said, had they made it more of a slow burner like the origial today's audience would have called it boring and slow. Does that make it right? No, but sadly this is the time in which we live.
For me it's my second favorite movie of the series. While I have a soft spot for all of the sequels, I grew tired of Myers chasing family. I always hated that storyline, so I'm glad they got rid of it. I also liked the brutality that Myers showed. For me it made him disturbing again, which is something I think he lost over the course of the series.
It did have some problems though. I would have preferred Laurie persuing Myers along with the cop in the streets of Haddonfield a la Loomis and Brackett rather than his Dr driving him to Laurie's compound.
|
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 12, 2018 23:01:17 GMT
All in all I thought it was a solid movie. Was it as good as the original? Nope. Did it have the suspense of the original? Nope. I really didn't expect it to either. Like someone previously said, had they made it more of a slow burner like the origial today's audience would have called it boring and slow. Does that make it right? No, but sadly this is the time in which we live. For me it's my second favorite movie of the series. While I have a soft spot for all of the sequels, I grew tired of Myers chasing family. I always hated that storyline, so I'm glad they got rid of it. I also liked the brutality that Myers showed. For me it made him disturbing again, which is something I think he lost over the course of the series. It did have some problems though. I would have preferred Laurie persuing Myers along with the cop in the streets of Haddonfield a la Loomis and Brackett rather than his Dr driving him to Laurie's compound. I liked it better than Rob Zombie's Halloween, but I didn't like it better than Zombie's Halloween II.
It opened with a tone of Zombie's film and Michael going all crazy and grunting when he was shown the mask by the reporters. It just wasn't scary though and I felt it needed an opening that was harking back to the original 2, to somehow to set the feel. The tone was set with a slow start to the film anyway and wasn't that atmospheric either. The actors were average to awful and they were stupid stereotypes. I might have missed something, but how was Myers captured at the end of the first films events?
I also didn't find Laurie's obsession with Myers that believable compared to H20 and her obsession was understandable here because he was her brother.
I loved the twist in Halloween 2 - 81', when it was thrown into the mix about Myers and Laurie. It gave the film more of an incentive for him to continue stalking her. When I was a kid, I also thought this was a scary scene in the school room when the word Samhain was found written in blood on the blackboard. I hadn't seen the original at that time either.
|
|
|
|
Post by theshape25 on Nov 13, 2018 3:29:07 GMT
All in all I thought it was a solid movie. Was it as good as the original? Nope. Did it have the suspense of the original? Nope. I really didn't expect it to either. Like someone previously said, had they made it more of a slow burner like the origial today's audience would have called it boring and slow. Does that make it right? No, but sadly this is the time in which we live. For me it's my second favorite movie of the series. While I have a soft spot for all of the sequels, I grew tired of Myers chasing family. I always hated that storyline, so I'm glad they got rid of it. I also liked the brutality that Myers showed. For me it made him disturbing again, which is something I think he lost over the course of the series. It did have some problems though. I would have preferred Laurie persuing Myers along with the cop in the streets of Haddonfield a la Loomis and Brackett rather than his Dr driving him to Laurie's compound. I liked it better than Rob Zombie's Halloween, but I didn't like it better than Zombie's Halloween II.
It opened with a tone of Zombie's film and Michael going all crazy and grunting when he was shown the mask by the reporters. It just wasn't scary though and I felt it needed an opening that was harking back to the original 2, to somehow to set the feel. The tone was set with a slow start to the film anyway and wasn't that atmospheric either. The actors were average to awful and they were stupid stereotypes. I might have missed something, but how was Myers captured at the end of the first films events?
I also didn't find Laurie's obsession with Myers that believable compared to H20 and her obsession was understandable here because he was her brother.
I loved the twist in Halloween 2 - 81', when it was thrown into the mix about Myers and Laurie. It gave the film more of an incentive for him to continue stalking her. When I was a kid, I also thought this was a scary scene in the school room when the word Samhain was found written in blood on the blackboard. I hadn't seen the original at that time either.
I will have to revisit tbe movie because I didn't remember Michael having any reaction at all when the reporters were there. I remember all of the other patients reacting, but not Michael. I even thought I remember hearing the reporter telling Laurie that Myers gave no reaction to them at all. For me Laurie wanted closure and to exercise all the demons that came with the experience of seeing all of her friends killed, as well as nearly being killed herself. |
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 13, 2018 3:45:09 GMT
I liked it better than Rob Zombie's Halloween, but I didn't like it better than Zombie's Halloween II.
It opened with a tone of Zombie's film and Michael going all crazy and grunting when he was shown the mask by the reporters. It just wasn't scary though and I felt it needed an opening that was harking back to the original 2, to somehow to set the feel. The tone was set with a slow start to the film anyway and wasn't that atmospheric either. The actors were average to awful and they were stupid stereotypes. I might have missed something, but how was Myers captured at the end of the first films events?
I also didn't find Laurie's obsession with Myers that believable compared to H20 and her obsession was understandable here because he was her brother.
I loved the twist in Halloween 2 - 81', when it was thrown into the mix about Myers and Laurie. It gave the film more of an incentive for him to continue stalking her. When I was a kid, I also thought this was a scary scene in the school room when the word Samhain was found written in blood on the blackboard. I hadn't seen the original at that time either.
I will have to revisit tbe movie because I didn't remember Michael having any reaction at all when the reporters were there. I remember all of the other patients reacting, but not Michael. I even thought I remember hearing the reporter telling Laurie that Myers gave no reaction to them at all. For me Laurie wanted closure and to exercise all the demons that came with the experience of seeing all of her friends killed, as well as nearly being killed herself. There were rapid edits of shots of the other patients reacting, and one of them could have even been Myers. He was also reacting by movement if I recall. They were behind him and they asked if he could feel it, although he couldn't see the mask.
Why she hadn't gotten over herself and was just a loony as Myers in a sense, didn't work for me. Even one of her granddaughter's friends mentioned about this and then he got shot down by girl power, as though he didn't know what he was talking about.  Her granddaughter then told her to get over herself.
In the original Halloween, there were only 3 deaths, one was her friend's boyfriend. In Halloween II, there was a wake of violence wrecked by Myers in an attempt to get to her, even though she wasn't really connected to most of them. It was more believable in H20 that she ended up changing her name and was a least least less psychotic, only still disturbed on Halloween.
All those booby traps she set up were a joke and over the top to my mind.
|
|
|
|
Post by theshape25 on Nov 13, 2018 16:22:27 GMT
I will have to revisit tbe movie because I didn't remember Michael having any reaction at all when the reporters were there. I remember all of the other patients reacting, but not Michael. I even thought I remember hearing the reporter telling Laurie that Myers gave no reaction to them at all. For me Laurie wanted closure and to exercise all the demons that came with the experience of seeing all of her friends killed, as well as nearly being killed herself. There were rapid edits of shots of the other patients reacting, and one of them could have even been Myers. He was also reacting by movement if I recall. They were behind him and they asked if he could feel it, although he couldn't see the mask.
Why she hadn't gotten herself and was just a loony as Myers in a sense, didn't work for me. Even one of her granddaughter's friends mentioned about this and then he got shot down by girl power, as though he didn't know what he was talking about. Her grandaughter then told her to get over herself.
In the orignal Halloween, there were only 3 deaths, one was her friend's boyfriend. In Halloween II, there was a wake of violence wrecked by Myers in an attempt to get to her, even though she wasn't really connected to most of them. It was more believable in H20 that she ended up changing her name and was a least least less psychotic, only still disturbed on Halloween.
All those booby traps she set up were a joke and over the top to my mind.
I do agree that the house was a bit over the top. As far as how Laurie handled what happened to her, everyone handles trauma different. Some people cope with it well and others do what Laurie did. Its easy for someone who didn't go through it to just get over it. Maybe they decided to have Laurie go to the extreme so that it wouldn't be a total H20 rehash. |
|
|
|
Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 14, 2018 5:58:27 GMT
There were rapid edits of shots of the other patients reacting, and one of them could have even been Myers. He was also reacting by movement if I recall. They were behind him and they asked if he could feel it, although he couldn't see the mask.
Why she hadn't gotten herself and was just a loony as Myers in a sense, didn't work for me. Even one of her granddaughter's friends mentioned about this and then he got shot down by girl power, as though he didn't know what he was talking about. Her grandaughter then told her to get over herself.
In the orignal Halloween, there were only 3 deaths, one was her friend's boyfriend. In Halloween II, there was a wake of violence wrecked by Myers in an attempt to get to her, even though she wasn't really connected to most of them. It was more believable in H20 that she ended up changing her name and was a least least less psychotic, only still disturbed on Halloween.
All those booby traps she set up were a joke and over the top to my mind.
I do agree that the house was a bit over the top. As far as how Laurie handled what happened to her, everyone handles trauma different. Some people cope with it well and others do what Laurie did. Its easy for someone who didn't go through it to just get over it. Maybe they decided to have Laurie go to the extreme so that it wouldn't be a total H20 rehash. In the context of a movie scenario, situations do get exaggerated for the sake of sensationalism, but that is what disappointed me with this take on Laurie and Myers. It was too much and lost the subtlety and even believibily of the original or even its sequel. I love both and H20, which still managed to capture the spookiness of Halloween with decent characterisation. |
|
|
|
Post by anthonyrocks on Nov 14, 2018 16:36:56 GMT
I actually hope that they bring back David Gordon Green and Danny McBride to write and direct a Sequel.
|
|
