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Post by snsurone on Nov 11, 2018 17:13:38 GMT
I'm supposing that #1 would be Theda Bara. Back in the 1910's, depicting a woman merely drinking or smoking branded her as an unredeemable sinner!
During the silent period, there were other vamps, such as Nita Naldi, Valeska Surratt, and Louise Glaum. They were generally dressed in ludicrous costumes making them look like spiders, peacocks, etc.
Perhaps the most famous vamp of the early 1930's was Jean Harlow in films like HELL'S ANGELS and PLATINUM BLONDE. Even in the Laurel & Hardy comedy short BEAU HUNKS, where she was only a photograph, "Jeanie-Weenie" was still a vamp who enticed everyone with an XY chromosome. I'm really glad that her image changed when she signed a long-term contract with MGM.
In the '40's, the term "vamp" was replaced with "femme fatale". Most notorious were Barbara Stanwyck (DOUBLE INDEMNITY), Joan Bennet (SCARLET STREET, THE WOMAN IN THE WINDOW), and Ann Blyth (MILDRED PIERCE).
The "vamp" and "femme fatale" went out of style in later movies, except for remakes of earlier films, such as Kathleen Turner in BODY HEAT, which is essentially a remake of DOUBLE INDEMNITY. At that time, the Production Code had ended, so the "sinner must pay" clause no longer existed. Another example of a post-Code vamp was Tuesday Weld in PRETTY POISON.
Your thoughts?
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 11, 2018 17:34:24 GMT
Gloria Swanson could be pretty vamp-ish. Norma Desmond - her character in Sunset Blvd - also a silent screen vamp still makes those same vamp moves that are so out of date and, on her, inappropriate. 
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 12, 2018 1:33:22 GMT
Wiki's VAMP … never knew there were so many definitions... #1 was a surprise ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampsample: Vamp or vamps may refer to: Vamp (shoe), the upper part of a shoe Vamp (woman), a seductress or femme fatale; derived from "vampire" Vamp (music), a repeating musical figure or accompaniment Vamp (firefighter), a slang term for a volunteer firefighter in the USA
The afore mentioned Theda Bara :    ![]()
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Nov 12, 2018 1:34:37 GMT
Catman's first thought was the vamp for Singin' in the Rain.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Nov 12, 2018 1:36:49 GMT
Grace Jones in 'Vamp'.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 12, 2018 1:46:27 GMT
Myrna Loy in The Mask of Fu Manchu. Just look at her face in this shot.
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Post by snsurone on Nov 12, 2018 2:35:28 GMT
Catman's first thought was the vamp for Singin' in the Rain. Oh, you mean Olga who appeared at the premiere of THE ROYAL RASCAL and later at the party. She had one line of dialogue, "It's vulgar!" I think she was meant to be a composite of all silent movie vamps.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 12, 2018 3:07:35 GMT
Catman's first thought was the vamp for Singin' in the Rain.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 12, 2018 15:16:08 GMT
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Nov 12, 2018 15:18:51 GMT
Of course, Catman meant the musical vamp.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 12, 2018 15:25:10 GMT
Louise Glaum  "Called "The Spider Woman" or "The Tiger Woman" as one of silent screen's most infamous and exotic vamps. At one time a serious rival to Theda Bara', a critic dubbed Louise the "best actress of all the screen vamps". As the vamp fad began to outstay its welcome, her popularity also declined."   1920 
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 12, 2018 16:46:04 GMT
Question for the group:
Is a "Vamp" the same as a "Sexpot" or "Bombshell" ?
I see a "vamp" as being deliberately sexy and using her sexiness in underhanded ways to get what she wants (often someone else's husband )
A "sexpot" or "bombshell" merely is what she is and cannot really help how men see her .. Basically : The girl can't help it … like Marilyn or Jayne or even Harlow.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 12, 2018 16:57:49 GMT
Question for the group: Is a "Vamp" the same as a "Sexpot" or "Bombshell" ?
I see a "vamp" as being deliberately sexy and using her sexiness in underhanded ways to get what she wants (often someone else's husband ) A "sexpot" or "bombshell" merely is what she is and cannot really help how men see her .. Basically : The girl can't help it … like Marilyn or Jayne or even Harlow. My two cents: there's overlap, although a sexpot or bombshell needn't necessarily be a vamp. But a vamp, by definition, is seductive, which the word being both verb and noun suggests. To put it another way, being a "vamp" has at least as much to do with behavior as with looks.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 12, 2018 18:06:20 GMT
Doghouse6 that's kinda how I see it .. Vamp is a deliberate behavior with emphasis on the seductive element. Bombshell and sexpot are just WOW and often with a sense of humor and / or unawareness as to why they are getting that reaction !
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Post by snsurone on Nov 12, 2018 18:21:54 GMT
There is a 1933 movie called BOMBSHELL, starring Jean Harlow as a movie star "sexpot" who desires to live a normal life. All her efforts fail due to the machinations of her agent who finally convinces her that her calling is movie stardom, and not marriage to some stuffy bore. This film was actually a spoof of Harlow's earlier image as a screen vamp. IMHO, she was a great sport in starring in a movie that basically denigrated her earlier image.
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Post by teleadm on Nov 12, 2018 19:00:55 GMT
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 13, 2018 21:04:12 GMT
Doghouse6 that's kinda how I see it .. Vamp is a deliberate behavior with emphasis on the seductive element. Bombshell and sexpot are just WOW and often with a sense of humor and / or unawareness as to why they are getting that reaction ! I suppose the term "vamp" had become passé by Harlow's day, although films were still full of representations of the type. To my mind, each term suggests an era: "vamp," the silent one; "bombshell," the '30s; "sexpot," the '50s. And to throw in one more, "pin-up girl," the '40s (for that period when all-American womanhood and values were under existential threat). I guess since the '60s, the generalized "sex symbol" has taken hold (and not only for women). Incidentally, "vamp" does come from a shortening of "vampire," and in many silent films, such a character is indeed referred to with the longer word ("one who lives by preying on others" or "a woman who exploits and ruins her lover," according to Merriam-Webster's #2 definition). Along with exuberant home-grown flappers, mysterious international exoticism was a trend of the silent era, and so Theodosia Goodman became Theda Bara, Mariam Leventon became Alla Nazimova, Mary Dooley became Nita Naldi, and Muriel Harding became Olga Petrova. But flappers Clara Bow or Louise Brooks could vamp with the best of 'em. The stereotypical image of Harlow strikes me as that of a woman who's aware of her, um, attributes, and which often encompasses a tough, wrong-side-of-the-tracks element. A variation was that of the sophisticated and exotic woman of the world, very much aware of her power over men, perhaps most notably embodied by Marlene Dietrich (in films like Shanghai Express and The Devil Is A Woman). Another variation was personified by Mae West, for whom it was all in the spirit of good fun. Passé or not, what might have been the '30s most quintessential vamp was portrayed by Barbara Stanwyck, not so much outwardly seductive by appearance but very much incorporating in-it-for-everything-she-can-get toughness and seduction, in Baby Face, leaving male human wreckage everywhere in her climb from the roadhouse to the penthouse. Running neck-and-neck was Harlow's Red Headed Woman (with her platinum permanent wave bewigged for the occasion). Although an all-American pin-up-girl, Rita Hayworth could weave that sense of jaded worldliness into her characters when called upon; she played a true vamp in Blood and Sand, and while Gilda displayed vamp-ish behavior, she's motivated most by true love (and Hayworth played more "good girls" than "bad" ones in the '40s). But unless they were enemy spies - and except for a Maltese Falcon here or a Double Indemnity there - '40s filmgoers would, for the most part, have to wait for the immediate postwar years for the vamp to make a comeback in the femmes fatale of the film noir cycle. Marilyn Monroe more closely typified that "unawareness" to which you refer, adding naiveté to the mix that left her stereotypical character somewhat nonplussed by men's attention to her (never more so than in The Seven Year Itch and, to some extent, Some Like It Hot). She was an unabashed gold digger in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes and How To Marry A Millionaire, but her one duplicitous, out-for-herself vamp aware of her charms was Rose in Niagara. Jayne Mansfield came off rather differently: a woman who knows exactly what she's got, with an air of unsophistication as a pure put-on. As Ginger Rogers told Harriet Hilliard in Follow the Fleet, "It takes a lot of brains to be dumb."
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 14, 2018 0:27:17 GMT
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