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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 12, 2018 15:23:04 GMT
variety.com/2018/film/news/mahershala-ali-viggo-mortensen-n-word-1203025208/
Mortensen used the word on Wednesday night at the ArcLight Cinemas Hollywood during a conversation moderated by Film Independent programmer Elvis Mitchell. Mortensen was speaking about cyclical and generational use of hate speech, according to several audience members in attendance, and used the N-word specifically as an example of speech that’s no longer common in conversation.
In his subsequent apology, Mortensen said, “Although my intention was to speak strongly against racism..."
So wait, we cant even use the word as an EXAMPLE of language that is no longer acceptable, even when we're speaking out AGAINST it?! What?
HE was speaking out AGAINST IT!!!
And that's the world we're living in now where we have to apologize even when we're speaking out against it! |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 12, 2018 15:37:01 GMT
Yeah it was pretty screwed up how it panned out.
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Post by ᵗʰᵉᵃᵘˣᵖʰᵒᵘ on Nov 12, 2018 20:50:37 GMT
Perhaps he needs to be a little more niggardly with his choice of words.
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Post by ant-mac on Nov 12, 2018 20:54:58 GMT
Perhaps he needs to be a little more niggardly with his choice of words. I once read where some bloke got into trouble for using that word.
Apparently, some dickhead didn't realize it had a completely different origin from that other "N" word...
People... 
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 12, 2018 21:14:04 GMT
That niggardly case. The guy was giving an economics speech and the room had a lot of black people in it.
I believe they fired the guy from his job but rehired him later when people consulted a dictionary.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 12, 2018 21:24:50 GMT
I dislike it when rappers and some black people or some wannabe funny non-black people use this word under pretense of artistic liberty. They should be called out for using it rather than ignored. Viggo is a good guy and it's pretty sad that he is being called out by some for speaking against the word.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 12, 2018 21:51:23 GMT
I dislike it when rappers and some black people or some wannabe funny non-black people use this word under pretense of artistic liberty. They should be called out for using it rather than ignored. Viggo is a good guy and it's pretty sad that he is being called out by some for speaking against the word. The best way for the word to go away is for NO ONE to use it. A lot of black people themselves have the mentality that they can use it because they're black. I say NO ONE should use it then it will go away altogether. Isn't that the goal anyway, to get rid of that ugliness? |
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 12, 2018 22:17:06 GMT
I dislike it when rappers and some black people or some wannabe funny non-black people use this word under pretense of artistic liberty. They should be called out for using it rather than ignored. Viggo is a good guy and it's pretty sad that he is being called out by some for speaking against the word. The best way for the word to go away is for NO ONE to use it. A lot of black people themselves have the mentality that they can use it because they're black. I say NO ONE should use it then it will go away altogether. Isn't that the goal anyway, to get rid of that ugliness? Yes, that should be the ideal position. The word should be let go and not be used by anyone. But at least people should call out its continued usage in jokes/raps than when one is speaking against the word. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 14, 2018 4:12:17 GMT
The problem is that people are commonly using the 'n' word again as if it's acceptable, and no big deal. Young white guys will often call each other the 'n' word as if it's a term of affection. Black people use the word commonly as a form of repossessing an insult and making it their own. So don't act as if there aren't good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 4:16:38 GMT
The problem is that people are commonly using the 'n' word again as if it's acceptable, and no big deal. Young white guys will often call each other the 'n' word as if it's a term of affection. Black people use the word commonly as a form of repossessing an insult and making it their own. So don't act as if there aren't good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. Are you talking about Mortensen here or the other examples in this thread? |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 14, 2018 4:31:43 GMT
The problem is that people are commonly using the 'n' word again as if it's acceptable, and no big deal. Young white guys will often call each other the 'n' word as if it's a term of affection. Black people use the word commonly as a form of repossessing an insult and making it their own. So don't act as if there aren't good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. Are you talking about Mortensen here or the other examples in this thread? I'm saying I understand black people being offended by Mortensen's use of it. White guys are using it routinely. I get into with young white guys constantly for using it cavalierly and they see no problem with it because they use it in a positive way. That's why I think black folks objected to Mortensen's use of the word. As for "niggardly", that's a different word with a different origin and it's entirely appropriate. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 4:48:52 GMT
Are you talking about Mortensen here or the other examples in this thread? I'm saying I understand black people being offended by Mortensen's use of it. White guys are using it routinely. I get into with young white guys constantly for using it cavalierly and they see no problem with it because they use it in a positive way. That's why I think black folks objected to Mortensen's use of the word. As for "niggardly", that's a different word with a different origin and it's entirely appropriate. I do understand if it was being used a cavalier manner and that it happens, and it isn't right at all. I don't see Mortensen as using it in such manner, but to each his own. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 14, 2018 4:58:02 GMT
I'm saying I understand black people being offended by Mortensen's use of it. White guys are using it routinely. I get into with young white guys constantly for using it cavalierly and they see no problem with it because they use it in a positive way. That's why I think black folks objected to Mortensen's use of the word. As for "niggardly", that's a different word with a different origin and it's entirely appropriate. I do understand if it was being used a cavalier manner and that it happens, and it isn't right at all. I don't see Mortensen as using it in such manner, but to each his own. I see your point. But I think blacks are offended because they think it's being used flippantly. |
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 14, 2018 5:04:04 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 14, 2018 9:24:53 GMT
He used it properly. I am against people using “Tard” and “Retard” as insults or a way to describe a mentally retarded person but will use those terms when speaking out against them.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2018 17:55:51 GMT
The problem is that people are commonly using the 'n' word again as if it's acceptable, and no big deal. Young white guys will often call each other the 'n' word as if it's a term of affection. Black people use the word commonly as a form of repossessing an insult and making it their own. So don't act as if there aren't good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. Of course there are absolutely good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. But that's not the case we're talking about here.
What he was saying was against the n word, not for it. It was not used cavalierly, or for humor, and certainly not for insult.
Have we entered a world where we cant even come to others defense now?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2018 17:59:29 GMT
He used it properly. I am against people using “Tard” and “Retard” as insults or a way to describe a mentally retarded person but will use those terms when speaking out against them. That's what I mean.
You're not being offensive to mentally handicapped people because you sued the word retard in that sentence you jus wrote. You were using it as an example of a word that has taken on a bad connotation. You've clearly explained your stance that you are against people using those terms.
But If I were extremely sensitive I would say something like "you should apologize because you said retard" as if I can't even hear the word, or the word cant even be used in a textual context.
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Post by gameboy on Nov 15, 2018 2:58:23 GMT
The problem is that people are commonly using the 'n' word again as if it's acceptable, and no big deal. Young white guys will often call each other the 'n' word as if it's a term of affection. Black people use the word commonly as a form of repossessing an insult and making it their own. So don't act as if there aren't good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. Of course there are absolutely good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. But that's not the case we're talking about here.
What he was saying was against the n word, not for it. It was not used cavalierly, or for humor, and certainly not for insult.
Have we entered a world where we cant even come to others defense now?
I can defend the man for using the word academically to make a point. But that's not the point. I completely understand why black people object to it as I have explained. It's becoming very common for white people to use it now as a positive term for their friends. I find that unacceptable and by extension I see why we whites should respect their objection to the word and just simply not use it, period. How can you or any white man tell a black person not to be offended by it? |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 15, 2018 3:03:27 GMT
He used it properly. I am against people using “Tard” and “Retard” as insults or a way to describe a mentally retarded person but will use those terms when speaking out against them. What if the retard is cute? Do you also object to insults such as "moron" and "imbecile"? Those were terms used to clinically describe people with low IQ's. If someone meets the medical criteria as a clinical imbecile, is it wrong for me to use the term to describe a person with a normal intellect who just happens to act goddamn stupid? |
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Post by Chickaboom on Nov 15, 2018 5:45:42 GMT
Hi all,
I just signed up today, so Hello and pardon me for jumping in here.
I can understand the apprehension that many POC may feel when a non-black person uses that word in a non-threatening or non-degrading way as Viggo did, but I truly believe that he didn't mean any harm and only used it to draw attention to the fact that the usage of such words are no longer socially unacceptable.
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