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Post by Chickaboom on Nov 15, 2018 5:46:47 GMT
He used it properly. I am against people using “Tard” and “Retard” as insults or a way to describe a mentally retarded person but will use those terms when speaking out against them. What if the retard is cute? Do you also object to insults such as "moron" and "imbecile"? Those were terms used to clinically describe people with low IQ's. If someone meets the medical criteria as a clinical imbecile, is it wrong for me to use the term to describe a person with a normal intellect who just happens to act goddamn stupid? Hey Gameboy, ltns! ☺ |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 15, 2018 6:11:56 GMT
What if the retard is cute? Do you also object to insults such as "moron" and "imbecile"? Those were terms used to clinically describe people with low IQ's. If someone meets the medical criteria as a clinical imbecile, is it wrong for me to use the term to describe a person with a normal intellect who just happens to act goddamn stupid? Hey Gameboy, ltns! ☺ Chicka!!! I'm gonna trust it's really you because Carter vets people well. Great to see you here. I'm an Admin now on another site. Have you talked to Azn? |
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Post by Chickaboom on Nov 15, 2018 6:28:50 GMT
Chicka!!! I'm gonna trust it's really you because Carter vets people well. Great to see you here. I'm an Admin now on another site. Have you talked to Azn? Yep, it's really me! ☺ You can ask me about anything we talked about in private and I can answer it. No, I haven't spoken to azn in quite some time. How is she? Oh wow, you're moving up I see. Congrats on becoming an admin! |
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Nov 15, 2018 6:28:59 GMT
This is nothing new. This sort of stupidity has been going on for a while. Ignore it. Don't give the moron "SJW's" or whatever the kids call them these days the attention.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 15, 2018 7:14:50 GMT
He used it properly. I am against people using “Tard” and “Retard” as insults or a way to describe a mentally retarded person but will use those terms when speaking out against them. What if the retard is cute? Do you also object to insults such as "moron" and "imbecile"? Those were terms used to clinically describe people with low IQ's. If someone meets the medical criteria as a clinical imbecile, is it wrong for me to use the term to describe a person with a normal intellect who just happens to act goddamn stupid? What if the nigger or paki or faggot is cute? There is much more to being mentally retarded than just being dumb. If you ever worked with people or lived with people who have suffered from this condition you might understand. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 15, 2018 7:30:32 GMT
He used it properly. I am against people using “Tard” and “Retard” as insults or a way to describe a mentally retarded person but will use those terms when speaking out against them. What if the retard is cute? Do you also object to insults such as "moron" and "imbecile"? Those were terms used to clinically describe people with low IQ's. If someone meets the medical criteria as a clinical imbecile, is it wrong for me to use the term to describe a person with a normal intellect who just happens to act goddamn stupid? By the way. “Retard” is not used as a medical term as it is not technically correct. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 15, 2018 7:44:27 GMT
Chicka!!! I'm gonna trust it's really you because Carter vets people well. Great to see you here. I'm an Admin now on another site. Have you talked to Azn? Yep, it's really me! ☺ You can ask me about anything we talked about in private and I can answer it. No, I haven't spoken to azn in quite some time. How is she? Oh wow, you're moving up I see. Congrats on becoming an admin! Azn is good. She and I are allies now.  Nah, I can tell it's you. You should visit our site. The name is banned here so I can't link it. But that just shows you how badass we are.  |
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Post by Chickaboom on Nov 15, 2018 8:01:05 GMT
Yep, it's really me! ☺ You can ask me about anything we talked about in private and I can answer it. No, I haven't spoken to azn in quite some time. How is she? Oh wow, you're moving up I see. Congrats on becoming an admin! Azn is good. She and I are allies now. Nah, I can tell it's you. You should visit our site. The name is banned here so I can't link it. But that just shows you how badass we are. If it's the site that I think you're talking about, I'm going to give it a hard pass for now. Lol No offense, but that place looked like a toxic waste dump that's been infested by every known troll from IMDB and the Soapbox! Other than becoming an admin, how have you been? Tell azn, I said Hi!!! Does she post here too?? Oh, and maybe we should move this conversation over to the Soapbox, as not to derail this thread. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 15, 2018 8:04:40 GMT
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Post by hi224 on Nov 15, 2018 8:09:51 GMT
i think its really the fact that his point was a tad rambled and not concise perhaps.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 15, 2018 9:51:48 GMT
I dislike it when rappers and some black people or some wannabe funny non-black people use this word under pretense of artistic liberty. They should be called out for using it rather than ignored. Viggo is a good guy and it's pretty sad that he is being called out by some for speaking against the word. The best way for the word to go away is for NO ONE to use it. A lot of black people themselves have the mentality that they can use it because they're black. I say NO ONE should use it then it will go away altogether. Isn't that the goal anyway, to get rid of that ugliness? It is the double standard and a part of the black culture\psyche that they can use it with each other. The same is with F****t, a gay guy can use it with another gay guy, otherwise it gets deemed derogatory.
If both words were disregarded as a form of spoken vernacular then there would be no issue, but I can't see that happening and they are also used as selective hypocritical reasoning to throw around the bigotry card when seen fit. Intention is key as well. I don't believe in censorship, but movies do give the signal that it is ok to use them and often in a humorous tone, so perhaps they need to cease themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 12:44:36 GMT
i think its really the fact that his point was a tad rambled and not concise perhaps. I'm pretty sure the point being made is that "the word" should not have come out of Viggo's mouth in any context. Ali's acceptance of the apology makes that clear. Face it, a big portion of society is pressing that the use of "that word" will not be tolerated... If one is white. I'll not rock that boat. I will not utter the word. I will not offend, but I will roll my eyes at the hypocrisy when it is used to great glee and laughter by others, like the amount of melatonin in the skin one has makes it ok. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 15, 2018 15:45:26 GMT
Of course there are absolutely good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. But that's not the case we're talking about here.
What he was saying was against the n word, not for it. It was not used cavalierly, or for humor, and certainly not for insult.
Have we entered a world where we cant even come to others defense now?
What you just said IS the point I am trying to make here.
For example, the word gay is a word that is often used offensively. But am I being offensive to homosexual people because I wrote the sentence: "...the word gay is a word that is often used offensively"?
No! I just used the word, as you put so succinctly, academically. The gay community shouldn't come out in droves to kill me for that. Now if I'd said "They're all a bunch of fa##ot's!" then I could understand their anger.
And I totally understand and respect that African Americans are offended by the N-word. I don't use it, and there are other words such c### and f####t that I don't use either. These words are meant to offend and I stay away from them. Believe me, I'm all about the social justice, and proud of it. I don't care what anyone thinks about me when I tell them that I'm a SJW.
I'm just afraid that we're getting SO sensitive that we cant even be an ally and come to others defense either. If we reach that level of sensitivity then we wont be able to have discourse. No discourse means no progress.
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Post by hi224 on Nov 15, 2018 19:53:42 GMT
i think its really the fact that his point was a tad rambled and not concise perhaps. I'm pretty sure the point being made is that "the word" should not have come out of Viggo's mouth in any context. Ali's acceptance of the apology makes that clear. Face it, a big portion of society is pressing that the use of "that word" will not be tolerated... If one is white. I'll not rock that boat. I will not utter the word. I will not offend, but I will roll my eyes at the hypocrisy when it is used to great glee and laughter by others, like the amount of melatonin in the skin one has makes it ok. I really don't disagree at all, but I think what added to the confusion of the situation was the fact Viggo was going on an unrelated tangent as it was. I'll never use the word at all either, but had he made a more concise point, who knows. All said Viggo probably should've said N word versus the actual use. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 16, 2018 6:07:52 GMT
Azn is good. She and I are allies now. Nah, I can tell it's you. You should visit our site. The name is banned here so I can't link it. But that just shows you how badass we are. If it's the site that I think you're talking about, I'm going to give it a hard pass for now. Lol No offense, but that place looked like a toxic waste dump that's been infested by every known troll from IMDB and the Soapbox! Other than becoming an admin, how have you been? Tell azn, I said Hi!!! Does she post here too?? Oh, and maybe we should move this conversation over to the Soapbox, as not to derail this thread. I see you posted on the Soapbox so I'll go there. But remember you have friends from the Soapbox who would like to talk to you. But many of them are banned here or don't post here. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 17, 2018 7:17:19 GMT
What if the retard is cute? Do you also object to insults such as "moron" and "imbecile"? Those were terms used to clinically describe people with low IQ's. If someone meets the medical criteria as a clinical imbecile, is it wrong for me to use the term to describe a person with a normal intellect who just happens to act goddamn stupid? By the way. “Retard” is not used as a medical term as it is not technically correct. That's like saying if you call a woman a "whore" who is not a prostitute that's not correct and you've defamed prostitutes. You're getting hung up on the language. And don't think I'm comparing people with development issues to whores. Again, you're bizarrely hung up on language. These words have accepted colloquial meanings. Retarded just mean slowed and not developed. That can be used for most anything. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 17, 2018 10:12:30 GMT
By the way. “Retard” is not used as a medical term as it is not technically correct. That's like saying if you call a woman a "whore" who is not a prostitute that's not correct and you've defamed prostitutes. You're getting hung up on the language. And don't think I'm comparing people with development issues to whores. Again, you're bizarrely hung up on language. These words have accepted colloquial meanings. Retarded just mean slowed and not developed. That can be used for most anything. So does that mean I am a stammer? Are people who loose their eyesight blinds? |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 17, 2018 19:25:28 GMT
That's like saying if you call a woman a "whore" who is not a prostitute that's not correct and you've defamed prostitutes. You're getting hung up on the language. And don't think I'm comparing people with development issues to whores. Again, you're bizarrely hung up on language. These words have accepted colloquial meanings. Retarded just mean slowed and not developed. That can be used for most anything. So does that mean I am a stammer? Are people who loose their eyesight blinds? Another great example. If someone is naive and he doesn't see the obvious and I say "Don't be an idiot, are you blind?", am I defaming all blind people and saying they're idiots? Sorry Stamm, you've always been way out of line on this one. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 17, 2018 21:32:36 GMT
So does that mean I am a stammer? Are people who loose their eyesight blinds? Another great example. If someone is naive and he doesn't see the obvious and I say "Don't be an idiot, are you blind?", am I defaming all blind people and saying they're idiots? Sorry Stamm, you've always been way out of line on this one. They say “are you blind” not “are you a blind”. You are completely missing the point with this one’ they can be “retarded” but they can’t be a “retard”. If you go back you'll see that the words I mentioned are "tard" and "retard". I can object to those words and how they are used but that would not matter to the people who use them. I can live with that in the same way I can live with the "full retard" scene in Tropic Thunder (in fact I like that scene) but if me saying I find the words offensive upsets a few people I'm happy. Anyway, tell this to someone who actually deals with mentally retarded people and let them know that you know more about this matter than they do. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 17, 2018 22:22:23 GMT
Of course there are absolutely good reasons to still react strongly against its use especially by white people. But that's not the case we're talking about here.
What he was saying was against the n word, not for it. It was not used cavalierly, or for humor, and certainly not for insult.
Have we entered a world where we cant even come to others defense now?
I can defend the man for using the word academically to make a point. But that's not the point. I completely understand why black people object to it as I have explained. It's becoming very common for white people to use it now as a positive term for their friends. I find that unacceptable and by extension I see why we whites should respect their objection to the word and just simply not use it, period. How can you or any white man tell a black person not to be offended by it?You can't and this goes for anyone, of any race or sexuality who have what is deemed as derogatory terms or epithets directed at them. It comes down to preciousness. You can't tell others how to use a word either, or tell them how they should feel about anything\something. |
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