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Post by Heretic on Nov 13, 2018 23:44:38 GMT
As a simple statement of reason (from a biblical perspective, mind you), anything that is not "of God" originates in the demonic realm. (It's important to note here that the earth is considered a demonic realm.) So especially as it to pertains religion/philosophy, any "path" that doesn't jibe with the biblical path is "false" and has its origin in the demonic realm. Since yoga (at its origin) both a.) claims to be spiritual and b.) is derived from Hinduism, and since any spirituality that isn't godly is, by default, demonic, and, likewise, since any religion that isn't "true" is demonic, then yoga has demonic origin. Or, as a short, Christian philosophic statement, all false religions have demonic origin. I could make this post really long (I don't want to do that), so I'm not going to cite any of these examples. If you don't believe I am accurate in any of this, please, feel free to research it as I have done. But there are plenty of examples of specific false religions being specifically attributed to demons as their originators. For instance, Ashteroth, Baal and Molech are all gods of ancient religions that dominated Middle Eastern tribes. They are also names attributed to demons in apocryphal scriptures and other various historical and occult books. Further, the Bible attributes actual spiritual power and miracles to the followers of false religions. According to the Bible's logic, this can only mean that those powers come from demons. And so I know that referencing ancient tribal religions sounds a bit stretchy to linking more modern, mainstream religions and cults, but, for example, The Bible claims there is only one God. Hinduism teaches that there are multiple gods. According to the Bible, this is a lie. Lies do not originate with God. They originate with demons. Ipso facto. Or, for instance, Muhammed's (Joseph Smith's for that matter) claim of a miraculous meeting with an angel which inspired his holy book cannot be "godly," per the Bible, thus, if either religious leader's testimony is to be believed (and I do believe them) then the angelic presence they encountered was a fallen angel, a.k.a. demon. A minor corection. The bible does mention other gods many times. The bible sad no other God is to be worshiped except the creator. For instance, God defeat Egypt's gods as they are all inferior. They are, however, demons as you mentioned. And he is the only true God as you said. And another reason for Muhamed not being legitimate is because of Paul saying you cant add books to the Bible. "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." Revolutions 22:18-19 |
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 13, 2018 23:46:29 GMT
Is there any link between the pagan practice of Hinduism and yoga? Yes or no? What are the origins of yoga? It is clear that yoga, especially if focusing on the spiritual side, has pagan beliefs. If you look at what he said, particularly about certain poses in Hindi prasing gods, this is pretty straight forward. He didn't say it always is involved in mysticism. Thi I hispersonl brief, sorted by history, and he has every right to it. Islam often forbids yoga for the same reasons. Many Christian holy days and practices have pagan roots. And Christmas as it is celebrated now wasn’t even a big holiday until late in the 19th century. Decorating trees is definitely a former pagan practice. |
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Post by Heretic on Nov 13, 2018 23:47:59 GMT
Is there any link between the pagan practice of Hinduism and yoga? Yes or no? What are the origins of yoga? It is clear that yoga, especially if focusing on the spiritual side, has pagan beliefs. If you look at what he said, particularly about certain poses in Hindi prasing gods, this is pretty straight forward. He didn't say it always is involved in mysticism. Thi I hispersonl brief, sorted by history, and he has every right to it. Islam often forbids yoga for the same reasons. Many Christian holy days and practices have pagan roots. And? Which Protestant Christian holy days are to anyone but God or Jesus? Which require worshipping other gods? I guess you could say Mardi Gras is dedicated to Bacchus,but I dont think that s recognized by most Christians. |
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Post by goz on Nov 13, 2018 23:48:31 GMT
As a simple statement of reason (from a biblical perspective, mind you), anything that is not "of God" originates in the demonic realm. (It's important to note here that the earth is considered a demonic realm.) So especially as it pertains to religion/philosophy, any "path" that doesn't jibe with the biblical path is "false" and has its origin in the demonic realm. Since yoga (at its origin) both a.) claims to be spiritual and b.) is derived from Hinduism, and since any spirituality that isn't godly is, by default, demonic, and, likewise, since any religion that isn't "true" is demonic, then yoga has demonic origin. Or, as a short, Christian philosophic statement, all false religions have demonic origin. I could make this post really long (I don't want to do that), so I'm not going to cite any of these examples. If you don't believe I am accurate in any of this, please, feel free to research it as I have done. But there are plenty of examples of specific false religions being specifically attributed to demons as their originators. For instance, Ashteroth, Baal and Molech are all gods of ancient religions that dominated Middle Eastern tribes. They are also names attributed to demons in apocryphal scriptures and other various historical and occult books. Further, the Bible attributes actual spiritual power and miracles to the followers of false religions. According to the Bible's logic, this can only mean that those powers come from demons. And so I know that referencing ancient tribal religions sounds a bit stretchy to linking more modern, mainstream religions and cults, but, for example, The Bible claims there is only one God. Hinduism teaches that there are multiple gods. According to the Bible, this is a lie. Lies do not originate with God. They originate with demons. Ipso facto. Or, for instance, Muhammed's (Joseph Smith's for that matter) claim of a miraculous meeting with an angel which inspired his holy book cannot be "godly," per the Bible, thus, if either religious leader's testimony is to be believed (and I do believe them) then the angelic presence they encountered was a fallen angel, a.k.a. demon. Thanks, that was a very entertaining and interesting piece. One question, because I know that YOU personally have your own interpretation of the Bible, is this your interpretation, or is it generally accepted, and by which branches of the Christian churches? It is however really interesting, that this view is not actually based on the precepts of Hinduism and the history of yoga, JUST that it is by definition 'demonic' because it is NOT Christian. I find this difficult to understand butt I take your word for it if it is indeed, a widespread Christian perspective. There is no account of any 'demonism' in the CHristian sense in yoga. |
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Post by Heretic on Nov 13, 2018 23:54:01 GMT
Many Christian holy days and practices have pagan roots. And Christmas as it is celebrated now wasn’t even a big holiday until late in the 19th century. Decorating trees is definitely a former pagan practice. From wiki: "by the early-to-mid fourth century the Western Christian Church had placed Christmas on December 25,[23] a date that was later adopted in the East." "...The feast regained prominence after 800, when Charlemagne was crowned emperor on Christmas Day." Now I realize the it fell out of favor for a while, but Charlemagne clearly knew about that date. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:58:00 GMT
As a simple statement of reason (from a biblical perspective, mind you), anything that is not "of God" originates in the demonic realm. (It's important to note here that the earth is considered a demonic realm.) So especially as it to pertains religion/philosophy, any "path" that doesn't jibe with the biblical path is "false" and has its origin in the demonic realm. Since yoga (at its origin) both a.) claims to be spiritual and b.) is derived from Hinduism, and since any spirituality that isn't godly is, by default, demonic, and, likewise, since any religion that isn't "true" is demonic, then yoga has demonic origin. Or, as a short, Christian philosophic statement, all false religions have demonic origin. I could make this post really long (I don't want to do that), so I'm not going to cite any of these examples. If you don't believe I am accurate in any of this, please, feel free to research it as I have done. But there are plenty of examples of specific false religions being specifically attributed to demons as their originators. For instance, Ashteroth, Baal and Molech are all gods of ancient religions that dominated Middle Eastern tribes. They are also names attributed to demons in apocryphal scriptures and other various historical and occult books. Further, the Bible attributes actual spiritual power and miracles to the followers of false religions. According to the Bible's logic, this can only mean that those powers come from demons. And so I know that referencing ancient tribal religions sounds a bit stretchy to linking more modern, mainstream religions and cults, but, for example, The Bible claims there is only one God. Hinduism teaches that there are multiple gods. According to the Bible, this is a lie. Lies do not originate with God. They originate with demons. Ipso facto. Or, for instance, Muhammed's (Joseph Smith's for that matter) claim of a miraculous meeting with an angel which inspired his holy book cannot be "godly," per the Bible, thus, if either religious leader's testimony is to be believed (and I do believe them) then the angelic presence they encountered was a fallen angel, a.k.a. demon. A minor corection. The bible does mention other gods many times. The bible sad no other God is to be worshiped except the creator. For instance, God defeat Egypt's gods as they are all inferior. They are, however, demons as you mentioned. And he is the only true God as you said. You're correct, of course. I should have had the word "true" in there. Good catch. Lol, now it's my turn.  John wrote the final book of the Bible, not Paul. (there's a Beatles joke here somewhere, I just know it!) Also, it's a pet peeve of mine because I am so in love with the book and have read it about fifty times, it's called "Revelation," not "Revelations." There was only one "Revelation of Jesus Christ," or alternately, "Revelation of St. John." |
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Post by Heretic on Nov 14, 2018 0:01:59 GMT
A minor corection. The bible does mention other gods many times. The bible sad no other God is to be worshiped except the creator. For instance, God defeat Egypt's gods as they are all inferior. They are, however, demons as you mentioned. And he is the only true God as you said. You're correct, of course. I should have had the word "true" in there. Good catch. Lol, now it's my turn. John wrote the final book of the Bible, not Paul. (there's a Beatles joke here somewhere, I just know it!) Also, it's a pet peeve of mine because I am so in love with the book and have read it about fifty times, it's called "Revelation," not "Revelations." There was only one "Revelation of Jesus Christ," or alternately, "Revelation of St. John." Lol. Good catch. I was originally going to post a quote by Paul,but changed it to john. I am on a cell phone lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:06:42 GMT
As a simple statement of reason (from a biblical perspective, mind you), anything that is not "of God" originates in the demonic realm. (It's important to note here that the earth is considered a demonic realm.) So especially as it pertains to religion/philosophy, any "path" that doesn't jibe with the biblical path is "false" and has its origin in the demonic realm. Since yoga (at its origin) both a.) claims to be spiritual and b.) is derived from Hinduism, and since any spirituality that isn't godly is, by default, demonic, and, likewise, since any religion that isn't "true" is demonic, then yoga has demonic origin. Or, as a short, Christian philosophic statement, all false religions have demonic origin. I could make this post really long (I don't want to do that), so I'm not going to cite any of these examples. If you don't believe I am accurate in any of this, please, feel free to research it as I have done. But there are plenty of examples of specific false religions being specifically attributed to demons as their originators. For instance, Ashteroth, Baal and Molech are all gods of ancient religions that dominated Middle Eastern tribes. They are also names attributed to demons in apocryphal scriptures and other various historical and occult books. Further, the Bible attributes actual spiritual power and miracles to the followers of false religions. According to the Bible's logic, this can only mean that those powers come from demons. And so I know that referencing ancient tribal religions sounds a bit stretchy to linking more modern, mainstream religions and cults, but, for example, The Bible claims there is only one God. Hinduism teaches that there are multiple gods. According to the Bible, this is a lie. Lies do not originate with God. They originate with demons. Ipso facto. Or, for instance, Muhammed's (Joseph Smith's for that matter) claim of a miraculous meeting with an angel which inspired his holy book cannot be "godly," per the Bible, thus, if either religious leader's testimony is to be believed (and I do believe them) then the angelic presence they encountered was a fallen angel, a.k.a. demon. Thanks, that was a very entertaining and interesting piece. One question, because I know that YOU personally have your own interpretation of the Bible, is this your interpretation, or is it generally accepted, and by which branches of the Christian churches? That false religions are demonic in origin is probably shared by most Christian denominations, but I don't speak with any authority on that. The truth is, most Christian denominations (even Catholicism as far as I know, which tells us more about the angelic realm than other denominations) abhor talking too much about angels. Christian leaders are generally afraid that if their congregations talk too much about the angelic realm, it will lead to heresy or misunderstandings about God's plan and purpose. For instance, when I was about 16, I realized that Nephilim were half-human, half-demon creatures. Yet I had always been raised to believe that angels weren't sexual. This, of course, was a false tenant preached in many of the churches I attended, because...angels are most definitely sexual. So anyway, I went right to the pastor and asked him for h is thoughts and he refused to discuss it. Christian leaders have also always been concerned that an obsession with the angelic realm will lead to worship. I have always been obsessed with the angelic realm and it's never led to a crisis of faith for me. It's only grown my faith. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:07:33 GMT
You're correct, of course. I should have had the word "true" in there. Good catch. Lol, now it's my turn. John wrote the final book of the Bible, not Paul. (there's a Beatles joke here somewhere, I just know it!) Also, it's a pet peeve of mine because I am so in love with the book and have read it about fifty times, it's called "Revelation," not "Revelations." There was only one "Revelation of Jesus Christ," or alternately, "Revelation of St. John." Lol. Good catch. I was originally going to post a quote by Paul,but changed it to john. I am on a cell phone lol. Paul said pretty much everything else in the NT, so...  |
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Post by Heretic on Nov 14, 2018 0:09:43 GMT
As a simple statement of reason (from a biblical perspective, mind you), anything that is not "of God" originates in the demonic realm. (It's important to note here that the earth is considered a demonic realm.) So especially as it pertains to religion/philosophy, any "path" that doesn't jibe with the biblical path is "false" and has its origin in the demonic realm. Since yoga (at its origin) both a.) claims to be spiritual and b.) is derived from Hinduism, and since any spirituality that isn't godly is, by default, demonic, and, likewise, since any religion that isn't "true" is demonic, then yoga has demonic origin. Or, as a short, Christian philosophic statement, all false religions have demonic origin. I could make this post really long (I don't want to do that), so I'm not going to cite any of these examples. If you don't believe I am accurate in any of this, please, feel free to research it as I have done. But there are plenty of examples of specific false religions being specifically attributed to demons as their originators. For instance, Ashteroth, Baal and Molech are all gods of ancient religions that dominated Middle Eastern tribes. They are also names attributed to demons in apocryphal scriptures and other various historical and occult books. Further, the Bible attributes actual spiritual power and miracles to the followers of false religions. According to the Bible's logic, this can only mean that those powers come from demons. And so I know that referencing ancient tribal religions sounds a bit stretchy to linking more modern, mainstream religions and cults, but, for example, The Bible claims there is only one God. Hinduism teaches that there are multiple gods. According to the Bible, this is a lie. Lies do not originate with God. They originate with demons. Ipso facto. Or, for instance, Muhammed's (Joseph Smith's for that matter) claim of a miraculous meeting with an angel which inspired his holy book cannot be "godly," per the Bible, thus, if either religious leader's testimony is to be believed (and I do believe them) then the angelic presence they encountered was a fallen angel, a.k.a. demon. Thanks, that was a very entertaining and interesting piece. One question, because I know that YOU personally have your own interpretation of the Bible, is this your interpretation, or is it generally accepted, and by which branches of the Christian churches? It is however really interesting, that this view is not actually based on the precepts of Hinduism and the history of yoga, JUST that it is by definition 'demonic' because it is NOT Christian. I find this difficult to understand butt I take your word for it if it is indeed, a widespread Christian perspective. There is no account of any 'demonism' in the CHristian sense in yoga. Your own link says "Divine Manifestation". The second commandment (which is pretty important as it is second): "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:12:15 GMT
I don't know anything about this guy but I find this interesting:
I'm not a Christian, let alone a devout one, but I would think Easter eggs would also be a no-go. They're symbols of a pagan Goddess that Easter itself is named after.
I guess winters or Heretic will have to explain that one to me.
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Post by goz on Nov 14, 2018 0:17:02 GMT
Thanks, that was a very entertaining and interesting piece. One question, because I know that YOU personally have your own interpretation of the Bible, is this your interpretation, or is it generally accepted, and by which branches of the Christian churches? It is however really interesting, that this view is not actually based on the precepts of Hinduism and the history of yoga, JUST that it is by definition 'demonic' because it is NOT Christian. I find this difficult to understand butt I take your word for it if it is indeed, a widespread Christian perspective. There is no account of any 'demonism' in the CHristian sense in yoga. Your own link says "Divine Manifestation". The second commandment (which is pretty important as it is second): "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." What does that have to do with 'demonic' or 'satanic'? |
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Post by Heretic on Nov 14, 2018 0:21:48 GMT
Your own link says "Divine Manifestation". The second commandment (which is pretty important as it is second): "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." What does that have to do with 'demonic' or 'satanic'? Anything divine that is not the creator is demonic by definition in Christianity. In other words,Christianity is not the Bahaii faith. There is one true God and that's that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:24:12 GMT
I don't know anything about this guy but I find this interesting: I'm not a Christian, let alone a devout one, but I would think Easter eggs would also be a no-go. They're symbols of a pagan Goddess that Easter itself is named after. I guess winters or Heretic will have to explain that one to me. Let me start by saying that I believe it is my duty to be the spiritual leader of my household. It is my duty to discern good from evil, including the spiritual realm. This is at the heart of what God meant when he said he wanted women to submit to their husbands. It wasn't sexual or habitual or anything like that. The command centers on spiritual discernment and assumes that I have been granted a better ability to know right from wrong than my wife does (as illustrated by the story of Adam and Eve). I take this duty seriously. I bought my wife a yoga mat for Christmas one year. I did this because I know my wife only intends to physically exercise when it comes to yoga. There is no spiritual connection for her. If I come home and find her in downward dog, I won't think anything of it (except maybe that I want to go to bed with her). If I come home and she's meditating on her yoga mat, now we have problems. Likewise, symbols are only meaningful when there is spiritual intent behind the use of those symbols. Since I know my wife is smart, and, more importantly, that she belongs to Christ, I have no concerns about yoga in our house because "a house divided cannot stand." I hope that makes sense. |
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Post by Heretic on Nov 14, 2018 0:24:54 GMT
I don't know anything about this guy but I find this interesting: I'm not a Christian, let alone a devout one, but I would think Easter eggs would also be a no-go. They're symbols of a pagan Goddess that Easter itself is named after. I guess winters or Heretic will have to explain that one to me. The older churches call it Paschal, not Easter. Also, the eggs represent the resurrection, not anything else. I know you were hoping for a more in depth answer, but Easter is about the resurrection in Christianity. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:25:57 GMT
What does that have to do with 'demonic' or 'satanic'? Anything divine that is not the creator is demonic by definition in Christianity. In other words,Christianity is not the Bahaii faith. There is one true God and that's that. Not only that, but "divine manifestation" connotes the spiritual becoming physical. As you've evidenced in the second commandment, that's a big, ole' fat sin. Dangerous one, too. |
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Post by goz on Nov 14, 2018 0:28:31 GMT
I don't know anything about this guy but I find this interesting: I'm not a Christian, let alone a devout one, but I would think Easter eggs would also be a no-go. They're symbols of a pagan Goddess that Easter itself is named after. I guess winters or Heretic will have to explain that one to me. Let me start by saying that I believe it is my duty to be the spiritual leader of my household. It is my duty to discern good from evil, including the spiritual realm. This is at the heart of what God meant when he said he wanted women to submit to their husbands. It wasn't sexual or habitual or anything like that. The command centers on spiritual discernment and assumes that I have been granted a better ability to know right from wrong than my wife does (as illustrated by the story of Adam and Eve). I take this duty seriously. I bought my wife a yoga mat for Christmas one year. I did this because I know my wife only intends to physically exercise when it comes to yoga. There is no spiritual connection for her. If I come home and find her in downward dog, I won't think anything of it (except maybe that I want to go to bed with her). If I come home and she's meditating on her yoga mat, now we have problems. Likewise, symbols are only meaningful when there is spiritual intent behind the use of those symbols. Since I know my wife is smart, and, more importantly, that she belongs to Christ, I have no concerns about yoga in our house because "a house divided cannot stand." I hope that makes sense. NOW I know why Christians think that yoga is demonic! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:29:51 GMT
I don't care how it's defined or who defines it. It doesn't change the validity of what I said. Spoken like a true delusional trumphump Yet apparently you certainly care that others may care... you even care enough to post in a thread and on a subject you don't care about, even responding to a poster you insist you REEAAALLY don't care about. Thorazine... try it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:31:24 GMT
I don't know anything about this guy but I find this interesting: I'm not a Christian, let alone a devout one, but I would think Easter eggs would also be a no-go. They're symbols of a pagan Goddess that Easter itself is named after. I guess winters or Heretic will have to explain that one to me. Let me start by saying that I believe it is my duty to be the spiritual leader of my household. It is my duty to discern good from evil, including the spiritual realm. This is at the heart of what God meant when he said he wanted women to submit to their husbands. It wasn't sexual or habitual or anything like that. The command centers on spiritual discernment and assumes that I have been granted a better ability to know right from wrong than my wife does (as illustrated by the story of Adam and Eve). I take this duty seriously. I bought my wife a yoga mat for Christmas one year. I did this because I know my wife only intends to physically exercise when it comes to yoga. There is no spiritual connection for her. If I come home and find her in downward dog, I won't think anything of it (except maybe that I want to go to bed with her). If I come home and she's meditating on her yoga mat, now we have problems. Likewise, symbols are only meaningful when there is spiritual intent behind the use of those symbols. Since I know my wife is smart, and, more importantly, that she belongs to Christ, I have no concerns about yoga in our house because "a house divided cannot stand." I hope that makes sense. To be honest, not much about religion makes sense to me. It seems like it would be a chore to determine how much demonic influence is acceptable. If it makes sense to you and your wife, though, that's fine. Thanks for the explanation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:31:35 GMT
And the hidden text... this is great. ^^^ irony ^^^I have no idea what you are talking about right now. I actually know exactly what Eddy is talking about, but it's fun to make him think his little white font treatment can hide his remarkable mistake in this thread. And yet I've given you to glaring hints. If someone else wants to inform you, so be it... personally I'm just gonna point and laugh a bit longer.  |
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John wrote the final book of the Bible, not Paul. (there's a Beatles joke here somewhere, I just know it!) Also, it's a pet peeve of mine because I am so in love with the book and have read it about fifty times, it's called "Revelation," not "Revelations." There was only one "Revelation of Jesus Christ," or alternately, "Revelation of St. John."
