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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 29, 2017 15:02:46 GMT
Well, after BvS was announced, Feige suddenly decided to rip off BvS by making Captain America 3 into Iron Man vs Captain America. So it wouldn't be surprising at all that Feige is trying to rip off Batman Forever, especially since Marvel and Stan Lee have a long history of ripping off DC.
1960 - DC creates the Justice League and the Justice League title is the highest-selling comic. So Marvel decides they need a superhero team too so Stan Lee creates his first superhero team, the Fantastic Four. Most of Marvel's characters are rip-offs of DC's characters. Black Widow is a rip-off of Black Canary. Hawkeye is a rip-off of Green Arrow. Quicksilver is a rip-off of the Flash. Thanos is a rip-off of Darkseid. Deadpool is a direct rip-off of Deathstroke. Even their real names are similar. Deathstroke is Slade Wilson and Deadpool is Wade Wilson.
You mean like how Marvel created the expanded universe and shortly after DC started one too?  /thread |
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Post by zoilus on Mar 29, 2017 15:12:07 GMT
And it was pretty mundane (and I'm being kind). You're very much in the minority on that one, most people think it was great. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 29, 2017 19:24:34 GMT
Well, after BvS was announced, Feige suddenly decided to rip off BvS by making Captain America 3 into Iron Man vs Captain America. So it wouldn't be surprising at all that Feige is trying to rip off Batman Forever, especially since Marvel and Stan Lee have a long history of ripping off DC.
1960 - DC creates the Justice League and the Justice League title is the highest-selling comic. So Marvel decides they need a superhero team too so Stan Lee creates his first superhero team, the Fantastic Four. Most of Marvel's characters are rip-offs of DC's characters. Black Widow is a rip-off of Black Canary. Hawkeye is a rip-off of Green Arrow. Quicksilver is a rip-off of the Flash. Thanos is a rip-off of Darkseid. Deadpool is a direct rip-off of Deathstroke. Even their real names are similar. Deathstroke is Slade Wilson and Deadpool is Wade Wilson.
You mean like how Marvel created the expanded universe and shortly after DC started one too? Are you referring to the comics or to radio, TV, and movies? If comics, then Marvel was the first to have a shared universe for superheroes in the comics when they published the Fire vs Water issue (the Human Torch vs the Submariner) in 1940. But DC was officially the first to have a shared universe for superheroes on radio (in the 1940s), TV (in the 1960s), and movies (in 1984). |
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 30, 2017 4:14:53 GMT
You mean like how Marvel created the expanded universe and shortly after DC started one too? Are you referring to the comics or to radio, TV, and movies? If comics, then Marvel was the first to have a shared universe for superheroes in the comics when they published the Fire vs Water issue (the Human Torch vs the Submariner) in 1940. But DC was officially the first to have a shared universe for superheroes on radio (in the 1940s), TV (in the 1960s), and movies (in 1984). Is this the part where you claiming the 1984 Supergirl movie is expanded universe because a secondary character was played by the same Actor? That's not an expanded universe, Supergirl and Superman come from the same planet, have the same powers, so therfore the same universe. Where's the expansion? Just face the facts, marvel has dominated the expanded universe and DC tried to follow them and are losing. Why not tell us how BvS will be the highest growing CBM again? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 30, 2017 4:53:18 GMT
Is this the part where you claiming the 1984 Supergirl movie is expanded universe because a secondary character was played by the same Actor? Irrelevant. The definition of a shared universe doesn't have anything to do with which planet the characters come from or what powers the characters have. The definition of a shared universe just means 2 (or more) non-sequel movies that occur in the same setting or movie universe. The Supergirl movie wasn't a sequel of the Superman movies so the 1st criteria is met. And the fact that the same character played by the same actor appears in both movies places both movies in the same setting so the 2nd criteria is met. so therfore the same universe. Yes, both movies took place in the same setting or movie universe. That's what a shared universe is. Kong: Skull Island takes place in the same movie universe as the 2014 Godzilla movie so those movies are part of a shared universe. Likewise, the Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the Supergirl movie took place in the same movie universe so those movies were part of a shared universe, the 1st-ever shared universe for superheroes in the movies. I get that people like you who pretend that SpyGate and DeflateGate never happened also want to pretend that the Superman and Supergirl movies weren't a shared universe. They only shared 1 character and weren't as sophisticated as today's shared universes, like the DCEU. But that doesn't change the fact that they were the 1st official shared universe for supeheroes in the movies. In 1903, the Wright brothers made the 1st controlled, sustained flight of a powered, heavier-than-air aircraft. The flight lasted only 12 seconds and traveled a distance of only 120 feet. That Wright Flyer wasn't as sophisticated as today's commercial passenger jets and wouldn't have been able to make a non-stop cross-country flight like many of today's airliners routinely do. So are you going to argue that the Wright brothers flight in 1903 doesn't count as real flying since it was so short and nothing compared to today's cross-country flights? The Wright brothers flight in 1903 wasn't as sophisticated as today's cross-country flights, but the fact remains that it still counts as the 1st controlled, sustained flight of a powered, heavier-than-air aircraft and only an idiot would pretend that it wasn't. Likewise, the Superman/Supergirl shared cinematic universe in the 1980s wasn't as sophisticated as today's shared cinematic universes, like the DCEU, but the fact remains that it was the 1st official shared universe for superheroes in the movies and only an idiot would pretend that it wasn't. But then, you and shadyvsesam not only pretend that SpyGate and DeflateGate never happened, you also pretend that NFL history prior to 2001 doesn't exist and you pretend that the Patriots have more Super Bowl wins than the Cowboys. Just face the facts, marvel has dominated the expanded universe I said before that MCU had their run while the DCEU was still being planned, but now that the DCEU is moving forward, the DCEU will begin to dominate the CBM genre for the next decade. And so far I'm 100% correct. The DCEU's first 3 movies have already grossed over $2 billion. It took MCU 5 movies to reach $2 billion so the DCEU is already ahead of MCU's pace. I said before that MCU is like Disco. In the 1970s, Disco was really hot. Then it was not. It just faded away. That's what's going to happen to the MCU. Now that the DCEU is moving forward, the MCU will just fade away, just like Disco did. |
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 30, 2017 5:14:04 GMT
Is this the part where you claiming the 1984 Supergirl movie is expanded universe because a secondary character was played by the same Actor? Irrelevant. The definition of a shared universe doesn't have anything to do with which planet the characters come from or what powers the characters have. The definition of a shared universe just means 2 (or more) non-sequel movies that occur in the same setting or movie universe. The Supergirl movie wasn't a sequel of the Superman movies so the 1st criteria is met. And the fact that the same character played by the same actor appears in both movies places both movies in the same setting so the 2nd criteria is met. so therfore the same universe. Yes, both movies took place in the same setting or movie universe. That's what a shared universe is. Kong: Skull Island takes place in the same movie universe as the 2014 Godzilla movie so those movies are part of a shared universe. Likewise, the Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the Supergirl movie took place in the same movie universe so those movies were part of a shared universe, the 1st-ever shared universe for superheroes in the movies. I get that people like you who pretend that SpyGate and DeflateGate never happened also want to pretend that the Superman and Supergirl movies weren't a shared universe. They only shared 1 character and weren't as sophisticated as today's shared universes, like the DCEU. But that doesn't change the fact that they were the 1st official shared universe for supeheroes in the movies. In 1903, the Wright brothers made the 1st controlled, sustained flight of a powered, heavier-than-air aircraft. The flight lasted only 12 seconds and traveled a distance of only 120 feet. That Wright Flyer wasn't as sophisticated as today's commercial passenger jets and wouldn't have been able to make a non-stop cross-country flight like many of today's airliners routinely do. So are you going to argue that the Wright brothers flight in 1903 doesn't count as real flying since it was so short and nothing compared to today's cross-country flights? The Wright brothers flight in 1903 wasn't as sophisticated as today's cross-country flights, but the fact remains that it still counts as the 1st controlled, sustained flight of a powered, heavier-than-air aircraft and only an idiot would pretend that it wasn't. Likewise, the Superman/Supergirl shared cinematic universe in the 1980s wasn't as sophisticated as today's shared cinematic universes, like the DCEU, but the fact remains that it was the 1st official shared universe for superheroes in the movies and only an idiot would pretend that it wasn't. But then, you and shadyvsesam not only pretend that SpyGate and DeflateGate never happened, you also pretend that NFL history prior to 2001 doesn't exist and you pretend that the Patriots have more Super Bowl wins than the Cowboys. Just face the facts, marvel has dominated the expanded universe I said before that MCU had their run while the DCEU was still being planned, but now that the DCEU is moving forward, the DCEU will begin to dominate the CBM genre for the next decade. And so far I'm 100% correct. The DCEU's first 3 movies have already grossed over $2 billion. It took MCU 5 movies to reach $2 billion so the DCEU is already ahead of MCU's pace. I said before that MCU is like Disco. In the 1970s, Disco was really hot. Then it was not. It just faded away. That's what's going to happen to the MCU. Now that the DCEU is moving forward, the MCU will just fade away, just like Disco did. If that's what helps you sleep at night, go for it. |
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Mar 30, 2017 10:59:18 GMT
Looks Marvel-lous.
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Post by marsexplorer on Mar 30, 2017 11:20:59 GMT
The trailer looked good until I saw Michael Keaton and then it became crap. Michael Keaton is Batman, not The Vulture.
Crap. Pure Crap.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 30, 2017 12:47:07 GMT
AH Fan lives in some fantasy world where the DCEU is better than the MCU. No one else lives in this universe.
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Post by marsexplorer on Mar 30, 2017 12:58:03 GMT
AH Fan lives in some fantasy world where the DCEU is better than the MCU. No one else lives in this universe. Everything is black and white to you, isn't it. You have no diversity. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 30, 2017 13:01:46 GMT
AH Fan lives in some fantasy world where the DCEU is better than the MCU. No one else lives in this universe. Everything is black and white to you, isn't it. You have no diversity. What are you talking about? The MCEU is better than the DCEU. This is not my opinion, but a fact. No one can really believe otherwise unless they are trolling or DC blind fans. I am not talking about the comics. I love many of the DC characters, especially Batman, who may be the best Superhero. However, the movies are terrible. Man of Steel was the only one worth watching, but is it better than Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, or The Winter Soldier? Not even close. |
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Post by marsexplorer on Mar 30, 2017 13:13:05 GMT
Everything is black and white to you, isn't it. You have no diversity. What are you talking about? The MCEU is better than the DCEU. This is not my opinion, but a fact. No one can really believe otherwise unless they are trolling or DC blind fans. I am not talking about the comics. I love many of the DC characters, especially Batman, who may be the best Superhero. However, the movies are terrible. Man of Steel was the only one worth watching, but is it better than Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, or The Winter Soldier? Not even close. So you are saying you can't enjoy anything you deem to be not top of the line. I enjoy Marvel films as well as DC. Who gives a crap about arguing which is better? There are very few movies that I come away saying that was a complete waste of 2 hours in my life. Find enjoyment in everything you can. Life is too short to nitpick. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 30, 2017 14:26:48 GMT
What are you talking about? The MCEU is better than the DCEU. This is not my opinion, but a fact. No one can really believe otherwise unless they are trolling or DC blind fans. I am not talking about the comics. I love many of the DC characters, especially Batman, who may be the best Superhero. However, the movies are terrible. Man of Steel was the only one worth watching, but is it better than Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, or The Winter Soldier? Not even close. So you are saying you can't enjoy anything you deem to be not top of the line. I enjoy Marvel films as well as DC. Who gives a crap about arguing which is better? There are very few movies that I come away saying that was a complete waste of 2 hours in my life. Find enjoyment in everything you can. Life is too short to nitpick. mars, I agree with you 100% here in spirit (although I do think the first 3 DCEU movies are god-awful), but you cannot possibly take this stance when you are effectively siding with Anne Hathaway Fan, a person whose trolling is founded upon the very principle that everything is completely black and white. You should have offered this response by quoting him and not CF.  |
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 30, 2017 15:49:30 GMT
I liked Man of Steel, honestly. I know it gets a lot of hate, but it blows BvS and Suicide Squad away for me.
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Post by marsexplorer on Mar 30, 2017 15:52:56 GMT
So you are saying you can't enjoy anything you deem to be not top of the line. I enjoy Marvel films as well as DC. Who gives a crap about arguing which is better? There are very few movies that I come away saying that was a complete waste of 2 hours in my life. Find enjoyment in everything you can. Life is too short to nitpick. mars, I agree with you 100% here in spirit (although I do think the first 3 DCEU movies are god-awful), but you cannot possibly take this stance when you are effectively siding with Anne Hathaway Fan, a person whose trolling is founded upon the very principle that everything is completely black and white. You should have offered this response by quoting him and not CF. Sorry, it is a bad habit of mine responding to the last poster when I really mean to address everyone who is completely one sided. I have to say, Batman has been my favorite superhero since I was knee high to a grasshopper. I will watch all Batman movies without criticism because in effect it takes me back to my childhood which was a very happy one. On the other hand I also enjoy Marvel movies. I have to admit that Captain America isn't my favorite character, but I enjoy Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Ant Man, Thor, and love Guardians of the Galaxy. Spiderman went downhill for me after the 1st movie. This one looks good though and I will check it out. Sorry |
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Post by susie2017 on Mar 30, 2017 16:54:07 GMT
Joss Whedon is directing a Batgirl movie.
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Post by zoilus on Mar 30, 2017 17:09:33 GMT
Joss Whedon is directing a Batgirl movie. Yikes that puts dc-fan in a real pickle. On the one hand, Whedon wrote and directed The Avengers and Age of Ultron so he's obligated to hate him. On the other hand, it's a DC adaptation so he's obligated to say it's the best. Quite the quandary. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 30, 2017 17:18:31 GMT
Joss Whedon is directing a Batgirl movie. Yikes that puts dc-fan in a real pickle. On the one hand, Whedon wrote and directed The Avengers and Age of Ultron so he's obligated to hate him. On the other hand, it's a DC adaptation so he's obligated to say it's the best. Quite the quandary.  |
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Post by zoilus on Mar 30, 2017 17:26:24 GMT
Yikes that puts dc-fan in a real pickle. On the one hand, Whedon wrote and directed The Avengers and Age of Ultron so he's obligated to hate him. On the other hand, it's a DC adaptation so he's obligated to say it's the best. Quite the quandary. I think his instinct is to say something along the lines of "Everything Whedon does is boring and crappy - but someone at WB/DC thinks he's a good choice so I'll give him another chance." Should be a good (insane and convoluted) rant.  |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 30, 2017 23:54:35 GMT
Everything is black and white to you, isn't it. You have no diversity. What are you talking about? The MCEU is better than the DCEU. This is not my opinion, but a fact. No one can really believe otherwise unless they are trolling or DC blind fans. I am not talking about the comics. I love many of the DC characters, especially Batman, who may be the best Superhero. However, the movies are terrible. Man of Steel was the only one worth watching, but is it better than Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, or The Winter Soldier? Not even close. No, it's just your opinion and not a fact. The fact is the DCEU is much better than the MCU.
1st, MCU isn't even a true shared "universe" because MCU doesn't even have the X-Men and Fantastic Four in it. No Doctor Doom so they have to use weak villains like the Chitauri, the Mandarin, and Zemo.
2nd, MCU movies are full of bad writing and huge plotholes.
3rd, not only are MCU villains weak but so are the heroes. MCU Iron Man is an idiot and MCU Hulk is weak. MCU Quicksilver is so slow that he isn't even as fast as a speeding bullet. MCU Quicksilver may be the first "speedster" in comics history to be killed by a bullet. Taht's how lame MCU is.
4th, the DCEU is more diverse. The MCU has had 14 movies and the lead character in all 14 movies has been a Caucasian male. It'll be 20 movies before the MCU even has a female character in the lead role. The DCEU has already had a female character in the lead role in their 3rd movie (Suicide Squad) and will have another female character in the lead role in their 4th movie (Wonder Woman) and have just announced a Batgirl movie.
5th, the DCEU is more epic and has elements of mythology, which the MCU is afraid to use. The closest the MCU has to mythology is Thor, but they've made Thor not a god but just an advanced alien from another dimension. The DCEU has a demigod in Wonder Woman, the daughter of Zeus. In the DCEU, the Olympian gods are true gods. The DCEU also has the lost continent of Atlantis and an ancient war that predates recorded history. And the DCEU also has time-travel, which the MCU doesn't have.
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