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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 18, 2018 1:26:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:29:06 GMT
You could have stepped in when DC-Fan said that every MCU fan in existence hated their relatives in the military, for starters, but you completely blew us off when we repeatedly reported him for that one. How do you know whether or not any reports are blown off? Are you somehow under the impression that the reporters are entitled to updates? Also, this: imdb2.freeforums.net/post/976875/threadBut, let's back up a little bit... "Do something" and "step in" are much too vague. Try again: What would you have me do? Is DC-Fan not still here? Does it look like he learned any kind of lesson? Even if you did have words with him back then, it's obviously not done the trick, since now he's right back to mocking the dead. And was the topic not locked until a month later? You could give DC-Fan the stern talking to he deserves and tell him on no uncertain terms that if he doesn't stop doing everything in his power to make people's time in the MCU board miserable, that he can just pack his bags.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:29:55 GMT
The analogy doesn't hold up because you're not paying to be here; this isn't a premium site (I mean, it is a premium site, Admin ; don't get me wrong) or paid site where you're buying a product and some degree of satisfaction. This is a free message board where people are free to discuss whatever they want at the pleasure of the dude running the place, a huge job with a ton of users that I can't even fathom doing quite frankly. It's like saying there aren't enough hot girls on plenty of fish. Innit? Now you're just being pedantic so you can have an excuse to disagree with me. Fine, let's compare this to a city park. If someone like DC-Fan showed up and started ruckus like he does on here, someone would have called the cops. Not at all! Haven't you ever been in a park when some guy stands up on a box and starts ranting and raving about the Lord? (The other one; not you, Lord Death Man.) Those guys AREN'T arrested, unless they're like assaulting someone. I guess it depends on your definition of "a ruckus." If he started hurting or threatening people or damaging property, then sure. But I don't see how DCF's behavior is analogous to that just because you guys dislike his opinions.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:31:12 GMT
So basically you think I'm an appeaser: Not at all. IMHO, the appeasers are the ones who give the troll what they want. A taste of what they like to eat. They don't realize it sadly. Ignoring or feeding them something they don't eat, that's the opposite. I haven't looked at the board too much until now, but if you are sometimes egging the troll on, lol, and I know you would never do that, but that might be considered stirring up some shit. Bordering on some appeasing behavior.🙄 Who, me?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:33:09 GMT
Now you're just being pedantic so you can have an excuse to disagree with me. Fine, let's compare this to a city park. If someone like DC-Fan showed up and started ruckus like he does on here, someone would have called the cops. Not at all! Haven't you ever been in a park when some guy stands up on a box and starts ranting and raving about the Lord? (The other one; not you, Lord Death Man .) Those guys AREN'T arrested, unless they're like assaulting someone. I guess it depends on your definition of "a ruckus." If he started hurting or threatening people or damaging property, then sure. But I don't see how DCF's behavior is analogous to that just because you guys dislike his opinions. DC-Fan does assault us, though, with his words. Therefore, a real life equivalence of what DC-Fan does on here would be that insane man running over to families and getting in their faces and refusing to leave them alone.
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Post by Admin on Nov 18, 2018 1:37:04 GMT
How do you know whether or not any reports are blown off? Are you somehow under the impression that the reporters are entitled to updates? Also, this: imdb2.freeforums.net/post/976875/threadBut, let's back up a little bit... "Do something" and "step in" are much too vague. Try again: What would you have me do? Is DC-Fan not still here? Does it look like he learned any kind of lesson? Even if you did have words with him back then, it's obviously not done the trick, since now he's right back to mocking the dead. And was the topic not locked until a month later? You could give DC-Fan the stern talking to he deserves and tell him on no uncertain terms that if he doesn't stop doing everything in his power to make people's time in the MCU board miserable, that he can just pack his bags. A quick skim of his post history tells me that an outright ban might be a little harsh, but I'm not inflexible. Since I can't force anyone to block anyone else, I suppose I could revoke his posting privileges in this board for a short time and see how it goes. Note that I'm not saying I will, just that I could. I'll watch this thread for a general consensus...
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Nov 18, 2018 1:38:23 GMT
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ASSAULTING ME WITH YOUR WORDS DC-FAN!1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:39:24 GMT
Is DC-Fan not still here? Does it look like he learned any kind of lesson? Even if you did have words with him back then, it's obviously not done the trick, since now he's right back to mocking the dead. And was the topic not locked until a month later? You could give DC-Fan the stern talking to he deserves and tell him on no uncertain terms that if he doesn't stop doing everything in his power to make people's time in the MCU board miserable, that he can just pack his bags. A quick skim of his post history tells me that an outright ban might be a little harsh, but I'm not inflexible. Since I can't force anyone to block anyone else, I suppose I could revoke his posting privileges in this board for a short time and see how it goes. Note that I'm not saying I will, just that I could. I'll watch this thread for a general consensus... Fine. But let me say this: your DC-Fan problem is never going to go away as long as you allow him to post on this site. He will offend, mock, belittle, and insult every MCU fan any way he can, and time and again, people will call for you to do something about him. He'll never stop as long as he's here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:40:39 GMT
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ASSAULTING ME WITH YOUR WORDS DC-FAN!1 We'll see what your tune is when he says you dishonor your deceased relative's memories just by being who you are.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:41:43 GMT
Not at all! Haven't you ever been in a park when some guy stands up on a box and starts ranting and raving about the Lord? (The other one; not you, Lord Death Man .) Those guys AREN'T arrested, unless they're like assaulting someone. I guess it depends on your definition of "a ruckus." If he started hurting or threatening people or damaging property, then sure. But I don't see how DCF's behavior is analogous to that just because you guys dislike his opinions. DC-Fan does assault us, though, with his words. Therefore, a real life equivalence of what DC-Fan does on here would be that insane man running over to families and getting in their faces and refusing to leave them alone. Okay, I can work with this -- a civil and reasonable counterargument, that speech can in some contexts be assault. I'm still gonna disagree that his posts qualify for that, but I see where you're coming from.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 18, 2018 1:41:53 GMT
If the comments about Stan Lee continue then there will be problems but if these comments are from before this was pointed out and especially elsewhere then that was another time. If you see more like it from now then it needs to be pointed out. All of King Kong's examples are from before these new rules so those are irrelevant. But I do have another question: In 1 of my previous posts, I mentioned a comic that was created by Stan Lee and King Kong threw a hissy fit and wanted me banned for mentioning that. Are we not allow to mention a comic, book, TV show, movie etc. that's authored, created, directed, produced, etc. by someone when discussing that person, regardless of how awful that comic, book, TV show, movie, etc. was? I get that some works of art may be so awful that some people want to pretend it didn't happen. But that would be like an American History teacher teaching about the Founding Fathers and the Constitution but pretending that the Founding Fathers didn't allow slavery in the Constitution. Slavery was an awful thing, but we can't pretend that it didn't happen. And we can't pretend that a writer, director, producer, etc. didn't create, direct, produce, etc. a specific work that's credited to them even if that work was awful.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:42:15 GMT
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ASSAULTING ME WITH YOUR WORDS DC-FAN!1 We'll see what your tune is when he says you dishonor your deceased relative's memories just by being who you are. Dude, he's on your side.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 18, 2018 1:43:07 GMT
How many of those out-of-context quotes were posted either elsewhere (e.g., Sports board) or prior to the rules announcement? All of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:43:11 GMT
DC-Fan does assault us, though, with his words. Therefore, a real life equivalence of what DC-Fan does on here would be that insane man running over to families and getting in their faces and refusing to leave them alone. Okay, I can work with this -- a civil and reasonable counterargument, that speech can in some contexts be assault. I'm still gonna disagree that his posts qualify for that, but I see where you're coming from. He said MCU fans dishonor their relatives in the military just by being who they are. That is a verbal equivalent of running up to someone, and kicking them in the junk.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 18, 2018 1:46:43 GMT
If the comments about Stan Lee continue then there will be problems but if these comments are from before this was pointed out and especially elsewhere then that was another time. Does not this DC-Fan post violate what you are trying to accomplish?... and it was just a little while ago. Clearly an attempt to elicit conflict via passive aggressive trolling. Or are you going to let the trolls have their way and just punish the ones who punch back? How on earth can you not see it? What do you find offensive in that post? That I said Stan Lee created Stripperella? Is that not true? Or are you just pretending that work never existed, similar to how you always pretend Tom Brady didn't get caught cheating and suspended for cheating?
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Post by Admin on Nov 18, 2018 1:48:16 GMT
A quick skim of his post history tells me that an outright ban might be a little harsh, but I'm not inflexible. Since I can't force anyone to block anyone else, I suppose I could revoke his posting privileges in this board for a short time and see how it goes. Note that I'm not saying I will, just that I could. I'll watch this thread for a general consensus... Fine. But let me say this: your DC-Fan problem is never going to go away as long as you allow him to post on this site. He will offend, mock, belittle, and insult every MCU fan any way he can, and time and again, people will call for you to do something about him. He'll never stop as long as he's here. I have a DC-Fan problem? As long he's not violating the ToS, it's not really an administrative issue. However, this... imdb2.freeforums.net/post/71327/thread...still holds true.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:48:20 GMT
Is DC-Fan not still here? Does it look like he learned any kind of lesson? Even if you did have words with him back then, it's obviously not done the trick, since now he's right back to mocking the dead. And was the topic not locked until a month later? You could give DC-Fan the stern talking to he deserves and tell him on no uncertain terms that if he doesn't stop doing everything in his power to make people's time in the MCU board miserable, that he can just pack his bags. A quick skim of his post history tells me that an outright ban might be a little harsh, but I'm not inflexible. Since I can't force anyone to block anyone else, I suppose I could revoke his posting privileges in this board for a short time and see how it goes. Note that I'm not saying I will, just that I could. I'll watch this thread for a general consensus... In the interest of providing additional context that you prolly know already anyway: the other side of this is that there is a fundamental disagreement about the point of these (specific MCU/DC/etc) boards; some want an open place for discussion of all aspects, including criticism, while others want a rigidly inflexible echo chamber where any criticism of the MCU isn't tolerated. DCF is merely the most egregious example; if, in your estimation, his behavior warrants some ban or suspension, that's obviously your prerogative. It's just my respectful suggestion that, if you bend to these concerns now, they'll be nipping at your heels before you know it to "cleanse" the place of whom they perceive to be the "next worst" offender. This won't satisfy anyone in that particular contingent despite what they claim here, and you'll be back here in a week/month/whatever dealing with their mewling; but then, that comes with the job, I suppose. Anyway, thanks for listening.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 18, 2018 1:50:37 GMT
(Also, I don't see any dates. Maybe it's because I'm on my phone. But you avoided answering my question, so I'm assuming most -- if not all -- of them were said outside the "jurisdiction" of these rules.) The dates are there, in my post and in your reply. The search feature did not reveal the “jurisdiction” ... which is immaterial to the point I was making by posting them The jurisdiction is material! You see, scabab and Hauntedknight87 are the mods on the MCU, DCEU, and X-Men boards so they make the rules here and they can censor what people post about Stan Lee here.
But if someone on the Sports board starts a thread about Stan Lee, people on the Sports board can post whatever they want about Stan Lee over there because scabab and Hauntedknight87 don't mod the Sports board.
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Post by Admin on Nov 18, 2018 1:55:24 GMT
A quick skim of his post history tells me that an outright ban might be a little harsh, but I'm not inflexible. Since I can't force anyone to block anyone else, I suppose I could revoke his posting privileges in this board for a short time and see how it goes. Note that I'm not saying I will, just that I could. I'll watch this thread for a general consensus... In the interest of providing additional context that you prolly know already anyway: the other side of this is that there is a fundamental disagreement about the point of these (specific MCU/DC/etc) boards; some want an open place for discussion of all aspects, including criticism, while others want a rigidly inflexible echo chamber where any criticism of the MCU isn't tolerated. DCF is merely the most egregious example; if, in your estimation, his behavior warrants some ban or suspension, that's obviously your prerogative. It's just my respectful suggestion that, if you bend to these concerns now, they'll be nipping at your heels before you know it to "cleanse" the place of whom they perceive to be the "next worst" offender. This won't satisfy anyone in that particular contingent despite what they claim here, and you'll be back here in a week/month/whatever dealing with their mewling; but then, that comes with the job, I suppose. Anyway, thanks for listening. Aside from clear and direct violations of the ToS (eg, porn, doxxing, etc.), moderation here is discretionary, and as such, there are no precedents. What this means is that the slopes here are not slippery, despite those who may want them to be under the guise of "consistency."
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 18, 2018 1:56:30 GMT
Not at all! Haven’t you ever been in a park when some guy stands up on a box and starts ranting and raving about the Lord? (The other one; not you, Lord Death Man .) Those guys AREN’T arrested, unless they’re like assaulting someone. I guess it depends on your definition of “a ruckus.” If he started hurting or threatening people or damaging property, then sure. But I don’t see how DCF’s behavior is analogous to that just because you guys dislike his opinions. DC-Fan does assault us, though, with his words. Therefore, a real life equivalence of what DC-Fan does on here would be that insane man running over to families and getting in their faces and refusing to leave them alone. Not to get too political, but I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that words can be assault. That’s just not what assault is.
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