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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 14:08:28 GMT
So, I discovered the show Schitt's Creek on Netflix and I love it. It's a "fish out of water" show about a multimillionaire family who lost all of their money and up in some podunk one-horse hick nowhere. It's very funny, and I am very invested in the relationship between the gay son David and his boyfriend. As I was watching the show, I realized none of their story line had to do with dealing with some asshat being homophobic. They meet their families, go on dates, and have normal relationship drama like every other couple. There aren't gay jokes, even light-hearted ones. They aren't a gay couple, they're just a couple. It made it easy to get invested because they are never portrayed as being different or strange to anyone. What's interesting is that I ran across this, and it explained why they wrote it this way. I was amused that they impacted me with their story line exactly as intended. www.vulture.com/2018/11/dan-levy-explains-why-schitts-creek-has-no-homophobia.htmlToasted Cheese Toasted Cheese gameboy @deblovesbeccy What say you guys? Should this be the way gay couples are portrayed On TV? |
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Post by deembastille on Nov 19, 2018 17:16:35 GMT
Why did I get a notification that I was tagged when I was obviously not tagged?
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on Nov 19, 2018 19:45:22 GMT
Canadians, getting schitt done, with none of that usual razzmatazz.  |
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Post by northernlad on Nov 19, 2018 22:13:03 GMT
I haven’t watched this show yet. Will definitely be checking it out now thanks to your post here. Homosexuality has come a long way in mainstream media. Gay characters used to be only the be presented as a joke in television shows. Not necessarily that they were portrayed badly but they weren’t portrayed as real people. I can’t wait to check this show out now.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 19, 2018 23:05:05 GMT
@marilynluvstigger , I don't know of this show and will have to read up on it, but in regards to your point about just portraying a couple as a couple, regardless of gender and not making any stink on s<>t about it, sounds like a very positive move. Movies and T.V, do represent humanity and its values and people do take on board what they see and hear. Look at the media. So to not make a fuss about it, is also inspiring to see. There is an English gay themed film released last year that did similar called God's Own Country. Two nice looking blokes have a relationship and the fact they are a same sex couple in a small regional Northern English village is not played upon, only an ethnic bigotry aspect is brought up. This was very refreshing and the film was also very sexy and sensual, without being superficial. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 23:20:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 23:41:17 GMT
I haven’t watched this show yet. Will definitely be checking it out now thanks to your post here. Homosexuality has come a long way in mainstream media. Gay characters used to be only the be presented as a joke in television shows. Not necessarily that they were portrayed badly but they weren’t portrayed as real people. I can’t wait to check this show out now It's very clever. Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hats always have great chemistry on screen. The David Character is actually pansexual. He hooks up with a chick early on in the show, but another thing they do well is showing how sexuality is a spectrum, and he then goes into relationships with men rather seamlessly without fanfare. But all of that is an aside, because the story line about these snooty millionaires ending up in nowhere is just pure writing gold. |
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Post by deembastille on Nov 20, 2018 2:08:58 GMT
Why did I get a notification that I was tagged when I was obviously not tagged? I think I tagged you by accident. Sorry about that. No, it's cool. It's just that the notification said I was tagged, but my name wasn't mentioned in your original post. Not your wrongdoing, a glitch on the site. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 20, 2018 4:12:01 GMT
I haven't seen this show and it sounds like it may be an attempt to portray gay men as real people.
However, every gay character I've seen on tv sitcoms in the past ten years has been an effeminate stereotype. Those guys on Will & Grace were flamers and yet I had to puke every time that silly show was lauded as if it was a landmark for gay people. I saw a short part of that show Modern Family recently. Again, the media claims that Modern Family is helping to mainstream gay people. I call bullshit. Again, another pair of stereotypical mincing effeminate fags.
You people will never learn. Yes, there are gay people like that. But that's the only image that's ever portrayed in media, the flamboyant prissy queen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 4:38:58 GMT
I haven't seen this show and it sounds like it may be an attempt to portray gay men as real people. However, every gay character I've seen on tv sitcoms in the past ten years has been an effeminate stereotype. Those guys on Will & Grace were flamers and yet I had to puke every time that silly show was lauded as if it was a landmark for gay people. I saw a short part of that show Modern Family recently. Again, the media claims that Modern Family is helping to mainstream gay people. I call bullshit. Again, another pair of stereotypical mincing effeminate fags. You people will never learn. Yes, there are gay people like that. But that's the only image that's ever portrayed in media, the flamboyant prissy queen. The character of David on the show is somewhat flamboyant in a metrosexual way, but the guys he ends up dating are not. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 20, 2018 5:08:39 GMT
I haven't seen this show and it sounds like it may be an attempt to portray gay men as real people. However, every gay character I've seen on tv sitcoms in the past ten years has been an effeminate stereotype. Those guys on Will & Grace were flamers and yet I had to puke every time that silly show was lauded as if it was a landmark for gay people. I saw a short part of that show Modern Family recently. Again, the media claims that Modern Family is helping to mainstream gay people. I call bullshit. Again, another pair of stereotypical mincing effeminate fags. You people will never learn. Yes, there are gay people like that. But that's the only image that's ever portrayed in media, the flamboyant prissy queen. The character of David on the show is somewhat flamboyant in a metrosexual way, but the guys he ends up dating are not. "Metrosexual" is a good way to describe a lot of masculine urban gay males. I admit when I'm around a bunch of gay guys I camp it up too. It's more a cultural affectation though. So I can give them a pass when they show a gay male as being concerned about clothes and design and fixated on his appearance. That is true. But still, most the gay males I see on prime time tv are slightly mincing. That's a stereotype. The two on Modern Family are an egregious insult. It's as if they portrayed middle class black males as gangstas. And yes, they stereotype blacks on tv still as well. But not to the degree they depict gay males as a monolith of swishyness. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2018 11:08:29 GMT
The character of David on the show is somewhat flamboyant in a metrosexual way, but the guys he ends up dating are not. "Metrosexual" is a good way to describe a lot of masculine urban gay males. I admit when I'm around a bunch of gay guys I camp it up too. It's more a cultural affectation though. So I can give them a pass when they show a gay male as being concerned about clothes and design and fixated on his appearance. That is true.But still, most the gay males I see on prime time tv are slightly mincing. That's a stereotype. The two on Modern Family are an egregious insult. It's as if they portrayed middle class black males as gangstas. And yes, they stereotype blacks on tv still as well. But not to the degree they depict gay males as a monolith of swishyness. You identify as gay anyway Gamey, regardless of how you feel you carry yourself, so why would you feel the need to act up at something, as though you are just playing pretend in front of the more flamboyant gay guys? If they know of your orientation, why patronize to them? That is what straight guys would do around gay guys, but with a gleam of contempt in their eyes. |
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Post by nausea on Nov 20, 2018 11:49:22 GMT
Its garbage you start losing IQ points
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 22:18:03 GMT
I never watch any tv series where being gay is the story.
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Post by 5hole on Nov 20, 2018 22:44:58 GMT
Homo says what
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Post by gameboy on Nov 21, 2018 3:26:22 GMT
"Metrosexual" is a good way to describe a lot of masculine urban gay males. I admit when I'm around a bunch of gay guys I camp it up too. It's more a cultural affectation though. So I can give them a pass when they show a gay male as being concerned about clothes and design and fixated on his appearance. That is true.But still, most the gay males I see on prime time tv are slightly mincing. That's a stereotype. The two on Modern Family are an egregious insult. It's as if they portrayed middle class black males as gangstas. And yes, they stereotype blacks on tv still as well. But not to the degree they depict gay males as a monolith of swishyness. You identify as gay anyway Gamey, regardless of how you feel you carry yourself, so why would you feel the need to act up at something, as though you are just playing pretend in front of the more flamboyant gay guys? If they know of your orientation, why patronize to them? That is what straight guys would do around gay guys, but with a gleam of contempt in their eyes. Nah, I enjoy the camaraderie. It's not patronizing. There is a gay subculture. I still identify with it. Though I see myself as a masculinist and I want to reform it. Sometimes if a gay guy is being a big queen I'll call him "Miss Thaaang". It's just kinda funny. We shouldn't be humorless. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 21, 2018 3:33:57 GMT
You identify as gay anyway Gamey, regardless of how you feel you carry yourself, so why would you feel the need to act up at something, as though you are just playing pretend in front of the more flamboyant gay guys? If they know of your orientation, why patronize to them? That is what straight guys would do around gay guys, but with a gleam of contempt in their eyes. Nah, I enjoy the camaraderie. It's not patronizing. There is a gay subculture. I still identify with it. Though I see myself as a masculinist and I want to reform it. Sometimes if a gay guy is being a big queen I'll call him "Miss Thaaang". It's just kinda funny. We shouldn't be humorless. But we shouldn't be mocking or condescending either, if we don't follow the campy or flamboyant gay guy persona. Douchy straight guys can and will mock or belittle gay guys because of their own phobias and ignorance. If you enjoy the camaraderie fine, but as long as you are not pretending to be straight around them, or think that because you don't wear your gayness on your pants leg, it makes you feel something superior over them.
Save the air of superiority you have for the dense straight fools, both male and female. I have heard this from both genders to my face and they are just jealous as heck, otherwise why would they mention it?  |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 21, 2018 4:23:15 GMT
Nah, I enjoy the camaraderie. It's not patronizing. There is a gay subculture. I still identify with it. Though I see myself as a masculinist and I want to reform it. Sometimes if a gay guy is being a big queen I'll call him "Miss Thaaang". It's just kinda funny. We shouldn't be humorless. But we shouldn't be mocking or condescending either, if we don't follow the campy or flamboyant gay guy persona. Douchy straight guys can and will mock or belittle gay guys because of their own phobias and ignorance. If you enjoy the camaraderie fine, but as long as you are not pretending to be straight around them, or think that because you don't wear your gayness on your pants leg, it makes you feel something superior over them.
Save the air of superiority you have for the dense straight fools, both male and female. I have heard this from both genders to my face and they are just jealous as heck, otherwise why would they mention it? Gay males do tend to dress better. We have design sense, not all of us, but many of us. Often the straight male sees those things as effeminate. When I'm in a room full of straight people no one thinks I'm gay unless they know me already. But in a room full of gay guys I'm like one of those guys on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". They're not annoyingly effeminate. Just stylish. I don't know how else to explain it. Lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 4:39:17 GMT
But we shouldn't be mocking or condescending either, if we don't follow the campy or flamboyant gay guy persona. Douchy straight guys can and will mock or belittle gay guys because of their own phobias and ignorance. If you enjoy the camaraderie fine, but as long as you are not pretending to be straight around them, or think that because you don't wear your gayness on your pants leg, it makes you feel something superior over them.
Save the air of superiority you have for the dense straight fools, both male and female. I have heard this from both genders to my face and they are just jealous as heck, otherwise why would they mention it? Gay males do tend to dress better. We have design sense, not all of us, but many of us. Often the straight male sees those things as effeminate. When I'm in a room full of straight people no one thinks I'm gay unless they know me already. But in a room full of gay guys I'm like one of those guys on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". They're not annoyingly effeminate. Just stylish. I don't know how else to explain it. Lol. You should for sure check the show out. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 5:46:33 GMT
Thanks for letting me know about this MarilynluvsTigger. Like Toasted Cheese I haven't seen or heard about this show either but I will check it out sometime when we get Netflix and it is good to hear about more positive portrayals of homosexual couples in TV shows. You and Toasted Cheese bring up some good points about the way LGBT characters have been poorly portrayed in the past which is something a lot of homophobes were always denying on the old IMDB Boards and TV shows have a lot of influence over the way people are portrayed which is why not just representation but 'good' representation in general is important. I don't know if you heard of 'Everything Sucks' but that was another show that had a homosexual relationship at the front between Kate and Emaline that was praised for being very realistic and I loved that and it sadly only has one season but it was a great show and is also worth a watch. 
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