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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 21, 2018 5:59:55 GMT
But we shouldn't be mocking or condescending either, if we don't follow the campy or flamboyant gay guy persona. Douchy straight guys can and will mock or belittle gay guys because of their own phobias and ignorance. If you enjoy the camaraderie fine, but as long as you are not pretending to be straight around them, or think that because you don't wear your gayness on your pants leg, it makes you feel something superior over them.
Save the air of superiority you have for the dense straight fools, both male and female. I have heard this from both genders to my face and they are just jealous as heck, otherwise why would they mention it?  Gay males do tend to dress better. We have design sense, not all of us, but many of us. Often the straight male sees those things as effeminate. When I'm in a room full of straight people no one thinks I'm gay unless they know me already. But in a room full of gay guys I'm like one of those guys on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". They're not annoyingly effeminate. Just stylish. I don't know how else to explain it. Lol. Of course you're stylish Gamey. Your avatar says it all.  |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 21, 2018 6:09:07 GMT
Gay males do tend to dress better. We have design sense, not all of us, but many of us. Often the straight male sees those things as effeminate. When I'm in a room full of straight people no one thinks I'm gay unless they know me already. But in a room full of gay guys I'm like one of those guys on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". They're not annoyingly effeminate. Just stylish. I don't know how else to explain it. Lol. Of course you're stylish Gamey. Your avatar says it all. It's funny how we both get on Stammaman's nerves.  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 21, 2018 6:34:39 GMT
Of course you're stylish Gamey. Your avatar says it all. It's funny how we both get on Stammaman's nerves. Perhaps because he is not superior....... |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 21, 2018 6:35:47 GMT
I never watch any tv series where being gay is the story. What about movies? I suppose you won't be seeing Bohemian Rhapsody then? |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 21, 2018 6:48:23 GMT
It's funny how we both get on Stammaman's nerves. Perhaps because he is not superior....... Stamm's okay.  |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 21, 2018 7:42:51 GMT
It's funny how we both get on Stammaman's nerves. Perhaps because he is not superior....... Toasty. You should check out my forum. I posted about Robert Altman's "3 Women" and dixie darling said you love that film. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 19:03:54 GMT
I never watch any tv series where being gay is the story. What about movies? I suppose you won't be seeing Bohemian Rhapsody then? Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 19:12:33 GMT
What about movies? I suppose you won't be seeing Bohemian Rhapsody then? Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
That's the point. The story line isn't about these two guys being gay. It's about them living their lives. The fact they're gay is portrayed as irrelevant. It's quite refreshing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 19:18:31 GMT
Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
That's the point. The story line isn't about these two guys being gay. It's about them living their lives. The fact they're gay is portrayed as irrelevant. It's quite refreshing. Ok. I still have no interest in seeing it. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 21, 2018 22:14:30 GMT
What about movies? I suppose you won't be seeing Bohemian Rhapsody then? Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
As opposed to movies or tv shows about being straight being old hat? If that is the story, then what is the difference? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 22:47:53 GMT
Probably not. I like Queen's music but I have no interest in them. I can say that about most musicians.
Movies (or tv shows) about being gay are about 20 years out of date at this point, if not more. If that is the story, then it has no story.
As opposed to movies or tv shows about being straight being old hat? If that is the story, then what is the difference? I have zero interest at this point in any film featuring gay characters because that is played out. I do not care.
There are too many good films I have not yet seen to waste on something I have no desire to see.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 21, 2018 22:52:32 GMT
As opposed to movies or tv shows about being straight being old hat? If that is the story, then what is the difference? I have zero interest at this point in any film featuring gay characters because that is played out. I do not care.
There are too many good films I have not yet seen to waste on something I have no desire to see.
Due to straights and society making out a big song and dance about homosexuality throughout the ages, it can become about holding a mirror up to faces of ignorant bigots who don't like looking at their own reflection staring right back at them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 23:08:49 GMT
I have zero interest at this point in any film featuring gay characters because that is played out. I do not care.
There are too many good films I have not yet seen to waste on something I have no desire to see.
Due to straights and society making out a big song and dance about homosexuality throughout the ages, it can become about holding a mirror up to faces of ignorant bigots who don't like looking at their own reflection staring right back at them. I prefer tv and film for entertainment. They can try and shame me but not on my time. Or with my money. |
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Post by THawk on Nov 22, 2018 1:25:01 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark.
I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive.
PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 3:50:14 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark. I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive. PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear. I'm in agreement with this and often times the story lines surrounding those characters are meant to be preachy. It's like the only reason they even put a gay character in sometimes it seems. They need to just let sexuality be one aspect of the character and not that character's entire identity. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 22, 2018 9:24:43 GMT
Due to straights and society making out a big song and dance about homosexuality throughout the ages, it can become about holding a mirror up to faces of ignorant bigots who don't like looking at their own reflection staring right back at them. I prefer tv and film for entertainment. They can try and shame me but not on my time. Or with my money. I get your point about not wanting to waste time with something that isn't appealing to you. Gay people are a part of life, just as straight people are and in the context of a film or tv series, it is only fair that they get a representation. If it is a gay themed film, say like Brokeback Mountain, then if one has done their homework, that is what the film happens to be about and if it is not your cup of tea, then you have every right to avoid or steer clear. You can't avoid seeing homosexual characters or relationships depicted in some films though and I don't understand your comment about feeling shamed by the portrayal of a homosexual character. What shows or films have done this that you have seen that make you feel this way?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 22, 2018 9:26:24 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark. I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive. PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear. There are negative and positive portrayals of characters from all aspects of life. Do you object to homosexuality being portrayed as something positive and if you do, is this because of your own prejudices? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 22, 2018 9:33:30 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark. I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive. PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear. I'm in agreement with this and often times the story lines surrounding those characters are meant to be preachy. It's like the only reason they even put a gay character in sometimes it seems . They need to just let sexuality be one aspect of the character and not that character's entire identity. Why is sexuality only really an aspect if it is about a gay character? If it is about straight characters, then does their sexuality become relevant? We need to get to point where we can see characters portrayed for what they represent within the context of the narrative, regardless of how they are portrayed in terms of their personal lives within the storyline and get to a place where we don't have to make an exclamation that...."Oh, that character is 'gay', because he has a boyfriend or husband! They are just a character that happens to be same sex orientated. We don't go around going..."Oh that character is straight, they have a wife or gf!" It is just accepted as the 'norm".
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Post by THawk on Nov 22, 2018 13:09:07 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark. I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive. PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear. There are negative and positive portrayals of characters from all aspects of life. Do you object to homosexuality being portrayed as something positive and if you do, is this because of your own prejudices? I do not object, but there most certainly are not both "negative and positive" portrayals of homosexual characters on TV. It is almost always positive, at the very worst simply neutral. There is a definite fear and refusal to go with a negative portrayal, because of all the accusations they would get afterwords. |
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on Nov 22, 2018 14:23:22 GMT
Every single last TV show I watch without exceptions has gay portrayals, pretty much always positive. Like a centralized mandate that all must obey and follow. Whatever "argument" they are making through it must be extremely weak if they have to compromise storyline integrity in order to make sure they tick a checkmark. I would say the same thing even if the subject was a cause I myself was extremely passionate about. Having it mandated in every single last tv show would be obnoxious and counterproductive. PC society continues taking a huge dump over art, that much is clear. Sometimes they include a gay character to tick a box, with these shows It's obvious. But there is a great variety of movies and TV shows of quality portaying them with a little more depth than wacky gay neighbor or saintly gay hero. Just like any subject matter, there's good and bad out there. Trying to be inclusive, most shows are not going to make a gay character unlikable or unrelatable to the masses, not at this still early stage. |
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