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Post by hobowar on Nov 19, 2018 18:41:25 GMT
Wouldn't it make more sense for Nebula or Thor to use the gauntlet. That's if anyone uses it at all. I'm not expecting anybody but Thanos to wear it. Is that what happens in the comics? They are infinity stones. Holding just one is likely to kill almost anybody unless they have near God like toughness. Even Thanos can probably only use so much of its power at a time without killing himself or trashing the gauntlet. I heard Nebula used it to undo everything in the comics. I could be wrong, tho.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 18:49:22 GMT
I'm not expecting anybody but Thanos to wear it. Is that what happens in the comics? They are infinity stones. Holding just one is likely to kill almost anybody unless they have near God like toughness. Even Thanos can probably only use so much of its power at a time without killing himself or trashing the gauntlet. I heard Nebula used it to undo everything in the comics. I could be wrong, tho. Works somewhat for me. For all the people who died, I'm oddly pleased that Nebula of all people stayed alive.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 19, 2018 18:50:03 GMT
I've mentioned this in the past. Everyone blames Starlord when there are plenty of characters who could've made better decisions. Cap chose Vision over half of the life in the universe. Gamora chose her sister. I'd throw Strange in there but giving Thanos the time stone is all a part of his plan so he gets a pass. But everyone else makes selfish, if understandable decisions that lead to catastrophe later on. And that's what makes the MCU movies so engaging. Because the people in it act like people and not perfect automatons. I completely agree. All of those decisions are defensible. It's easy to criticize, 20/20 hindsight and all that. But why would Cap assume they couldn't stop Thanos? Would you doom your sister to agonizing torture for eternity when you had super powered friends you hoped could stop Thanos in time? These decisions aren't so simple when you insert yourself into the situation, where the stakes affect you personally no matter what.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 19, 2018 18:52:27 GMT
I'm not expecting anybody but Thanos to wear it. Is that what happens in the comics? They are infinity stones. Holding just one is likely to kill almost anybody unless they have near God like toughness. Even Thanos can probably only use so much of its power at a time without killing himself or trashing the gauntlet. I heard Nebula used it to undo everything in the comics. I could be wrong, tho. Nebula takes it in the comic but then Adam Warlock gets it and resets everything. Either way someone has to take it off Thanos and its likely to be either Cap or IM.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 19, 2018 18:55:21 GMT
I heard Nebula used it to undo everything in the comics. I could be wrong, tho. Nebula takes it in the comic but then Adam Warlock gets it and resets everything. Either way someone has to take it off Thanos and its likely to be either Cap or IM. Hopefully the whole team will have a hand in removing the gauntlet.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 18:59:02 GMT
I heard Nebula used it to undo everything in the comics. I could be wrong, tho. Nebula takes it in the comic but then Adam Warlock gets it and resets everything. Either way someone has to take it off Thanos and its likely to be either Cap or IM. Why Cap or IM and not Thor?
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Post by charzhino on Nov 19, 2018 19:00:36 GMT
Nebula takes it in the comic but then Adam Warlock gets it and resets everything. Either way someone has to take it off Thanos and its likely to be either Cap or IM. Why Cap or IM and not Thor? IM because hes apparently the key to saving the universe according to Dr Strange. And Cap because he wasnt given much to do in IW wheras Thor got a lot of limelight.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 19, 2018 19:03:01 GMT
I've mentioned this in the past. Everyone blames Starlord when there are plenty of characters who could've made better decisions. Cap chose Vision over half of the life in the universe. Gamora chose her sister. I'd throw Strange in there but giving Thanos the time stone is all a part of his plan so he gets a pass. But everyone else makes selfish, if understandable decisions that lead to catastrophe later on. Looking back I dont blame Starlord anymore. An important theme in IW is sacrafice, who is willing to do it for the greater good. Stark is, he went into that alien ship knowing it could easily be the end. Also cutting off Pepper Potts after talking about raising a kid. Dr Strange is, he outright tells IM and Spidey that he will have no hesitation to risk their lives for the gem. Starlord was willing to kill Gamora to protect the the soul gems location thats why Thanos praised him. Thor was willing to sacrafice himself when forging his Stormbrraker. That leaves Cap who I think wussed out a little, but a lot of the blame should lie with Wanda. She killed Vision at the end but it was too late, her initial selfish thinking and Caps compliance with it cost them time and ultimately half the universe. Yeah I never blamed Star-Lord. He made mistakes, along with plenty of other people. Any one of those things go down differently and maybe Thanos is stopped. I always thought the criticism of Star-Lord was shortsighted.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 19, 2018 19:05:40 GMT
So now Captain America AND T'Challa are responsible for trillions of deaths? Mentioned Tchalla because only he can give the final order to his army, being King. Fair enough. My direction of blame should probably lie more with Wanda. With regards to the writing on Caps character specifically... Given your thoughts on Caps inability to let others die, even willlingly, this means he shouldn't be able to wield the infinity gaunlet right? As he wont be worthy enough to possess the soul gem which requires a sacrafice. So if Cap does wield the gaunlet in part 2, a very likely scenario, are you going to hold your hands up and admit dodgy writing? First off, I wouldn't consider worthiness to be a criterion for welding the gauntlet. That is more attributable to Mjölnir. The gauntlet requires that the wielder possess the will to use it. This sense of will and purpose can be demonstrated with a sacrifice - morality does not come into play. Secondly, I don't think it is a very likely scenario that Steve Rogers will wield the gauntlet - he's a poor choice for the very reasons I've already explained. I believe the writers are aware of that. I'm personally hoping they go with Nebula as in the source material. She will not possess the will to effectively use the gauntlet, and the heroes can take advantage of this in the ensuing chaos. If I'm wrong, I'll happily concede the point.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 19:19:04 GMT
Why Cap or IM and not Thor? IM because hes apparently the key to saving the universe according to Dr Strange. And Cap because he wasnt given much to do in IW wheras Thor got a lot of limelight. I don't remember Strange specifically mentioning that Stark was the key. And Cap can easily be given important stuff to do without being the one to wield the gauntlet. I mean, I'm not saying that they won't be the ones, I'm just saying that they're not the only likely candidates. For all we know Professor Hulk might be the one to use it or Captain Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 19:29:05 GMT
IM because hes apparently the key to saving the universe according to Dr Strange. And Cap because he wasnt given much to do in IW wheras Thor got a lot of limelight. I don't remember Strange specifically mentioning that Stark was the key. And Cap can easily be given important stuff to do without being the one to wield the gauntlet. I mean, I'm not saying that they won't be the ones, I'm just saying that they're not the only likely candidates. For all we know Professor Hulk might be the one to use it or Captain Marvel. Strange said he wouldn't hesitate for a second to let Iron Man or 'the boy' die if it meant keeping the time stone, then just gives it up in the heat of battle to spare Iron Man's life? It definitely means that in the sole outcome of all several million possible futures, Iron Man plays a serious role. I don't see Cap wielding it. He is a legend but ultimately just a man. I don't see him handling one, let alone wearing a garment that supports them all.
Of course, if he does somehow, it'll probably blow the roof off all the same.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 19:41:33 GMT
I don't remember Strange specifically mentioning that Stark was the key. And Cap can easily be given important stuff to do without being the one to wield the gauntlet. I mean, I'm not saying that they won't be the ones, I'm just saying that they're not the only likely candidates. For all we know Professor Hulk might be the one to use it or Captain Marvel. Strange said he wouldn't hesitate for a second to let Iron Man or 'the boy' die if it meant keeping the time stone, then just gives it up in the heat of battle to spare Iron Man's life? It definitely means that in the sole outcome of all several million possible futures, Iron Man plays a serious role. I don't see Cap wielding it. He is a legend but ultimately just a man. I don't see him handling one, let alone wearing a garment that supports them all.
Of course, if he does somehow, it'll probably blow the roof off all the same.
Playing a significant role is not the same thing as being the key.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 19:43:55 GMT
Strange said he wouldn't hesitate for a second to let Iron Man or 'the boy' die if it meant keeping the time stone, then just gives it up in the heat of battle to spare Iron Man's life? It definitely means that in the sole outcome of all several million possible futures, Iron Man plays a serious role. I don't see Cap wielding it. He is a legend but ultimately just a man. I don't see him handling one, let alone wearing a garment that supports them all.
Of course, if he does somehow, it'll probably blow the roof off all the same.
Playing a significant role is not the same thing as being the key. That's definitely true, sir. So call it a hunch.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 19:50:09 GMT
Playing a significant role is not the same thing as being the key. That's definitely true, sir. So call it a hunch. My point is, Charzino specifically said that he believes either Cap or IM would be the one to hold the IG. I think IM definitely has a very important role to play but nothing indicates that he'll be the one to wield the IG. If anything, my guess is it would be either Thor, Cap. Marvel or Nebula.
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Post by scabab on Nov 19, 2018 19:55:36 GMT
Superman wasn't even mentioned in the OP so why even bring that up?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 19, 2018 20:00:52 GMT
Superman wasn't even mentioned in the OP so why even bring that up? Tribalism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 20:04:01 GMT
That's definitely true, sir. So call it a hunch. My point is, Charzino specifically said that he believes either Cap or IM would be the one to hold the IG. I think IM definitely has a very important role to play but nothing indicates that he'll be the one to wield the IG. If anything, my guess is it would be either Thor, Cap. Marvel or Nebula. I feel like I can rule out Capt because of his...homo sapien-ness. I'd rule out Nebula too but word on the street is she wields it in the comics. Captain Marvel supposedly is so strong she can move planets out of orbit, but I haven't seen her. That leaves Thor, who could do it.
If we're being honest, I just plain don't know. The only characters at a glance, live or dead, that I thought could hold it include Thanos, Ego, Hela, Odin, maybe Thor and maybe Adam Warlock, if and when he gets out of that Sovereign chamber. I can almost guarantee whoever holds it won't be of earth origin, but even then they could still pull the wool over my eyes.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 20:09:15 GMT
My point is, Charzino specifically said that he believes either Cap or IM would be the one to hold the IG. I think IM definitely has a very important role to play but nothing indicates that he'll be the one to wield the IG. If anything, my guess is it would be either Thor, Cap. Marvel or Nebula. I feel like I can rule out Capt because of his...homo sapien-ness. I'd rule out Nebula too but word on the street is she wields it in the comics. Captain Marvel supposedly is so strong she can move planets out of orbit, but I haven't seen her. That leaves Thor, who could do it.
If we're being honest, I just plain don't know. The only characters at a glance, live or dead, that I could could hold it include Thanos, Ego, Hela, Odin, maybe Thor and maybe Adam Warlock, if and when he gets out of that Sovereign chamber. I can almost guarantee whoever holds it won't be of earth origin, but even then they could still pull the wool over my eyes.
I agree. I hope the MCU doesn't mess this up and make a human wield the entire IG.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 19, 2018 20:19:51 GMT
Superman wasn't even mentioned in the OP so why even bring that up? I thought it was funny.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 19, 2018 20:29:43 GMT
Superman wasn’t even mentioned in the OP so why even bring that up? I thought it was funny. OK, so you can definitively say, despite LDM’s lengthy justifications, that you intended it as a joke?
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